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[Exia001]

At the end of the day, we shouldnt really be thinking anything other than 'am I going to enjoying this game' because only you are going to be the one sitting in front of the TV playing no one else. What matters is that you, as an individual enjoy the game

[Ianamus]

I know how you feel, but at least either play through the full game or wait for a review from somebody who has played the full game. I have my own reservations, but I also know that had I just been given the starting area for ME1 or ME2 I would have been left with a poor impression overall. It's only when you've seen the strength of the subplots and characterisation that you can judge the quality of the writing of a game.

If it's bad on the whole then by means come back and complain (If it's got consistently bad writing I know I will) but it's important to at least try it first, becuase it might pleasantly surprise you. 

Modifié par EJ107, 16 février 2012 - 02:53 .

[Mike Shepard]

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

"What do you mean, 'you people'?" - Chirs Tucker

Just kidding--But seriously, I agree man. I understood but disagreed with the hate towards Dragon Age 2, and I really liked th Mass Effect 3 demo.

[RSX Titan]

Goddy10 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

It seems their recent failure is an excuse to cut them some slack, forgetting the quality of games these guys used to create.

The CoD and the rest of the "new audience" is thrilled with the outcome of the last games, and this demo too, I guess so this is enough for Bioware

Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content with this.

Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

Cancel Preordered.

Do you mind explaining to me what the relevance of the "CoD crowd" is in regards to Mass Effect? I don't know if you've noticed, but they're sort of completely different games with very different circumstances.

CoD is on a strict yearly development cycle led by THREE different studios, which Activision oversee like something out of a George Orwell novel. Mass Effect 3 has had a little over 2 full years of development time, with NO change in development team at all, and EA wouldn't be allowed to interfere even if they wanted to.

Trying to drag some sort of massive casual crowd with a label into the argument isn't going to help you. If ME3 is a bad game, at least give Biowares Mass Effect team the courtesy they deserve and actually judge it AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED IT.

This is something the OP is actually right about. They clearly want the shooter crowd which is why combat has been such an emphasis in ME2 and ME3. The problem with that is that you aren't going to pull them away from games that have much better combat. Do you know anyone who plays ME for the combat? 

[LiZaRdChaSE]

teh_619 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

It seems their recent failure is an excuse to cut them some slack, forgetting the quality of games these guys used to create.

The CoD and the rest of the "new audience" is thrilled with the outcome of the last games, and this demo too, I guess so this is enough for Bioware

Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content with this.

Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

Cancel Preordered.

Do you mind explaining to me what the relevance of the "CoD crowd" is in regards to Mass Effect? I don't know if you've noticed, but they're sort of completely different games with very different circumstances.

CoD is on a strict yearly development cycle led by THREE different studios, which Activision oversee like something out of a George Orwell novel. Mass Effect 3 has had a little over 2 full years of development time, with NO change in development team at all, and EA wouldn't be allowed to interfere even if they wanted to.

Trying to drag some sort of massive casual crowd with a label into the argument isn't going to help you. If ME3 is a bad game, at least give Biowares Mass Effect team the courtesy they deserve and actually judge it AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED IT.

http://www.nowgamer....s_audience.html

of course they want CoD's audience. That is alot of people and alot of money, but they say they can get them because CoDs multiplayer has a level progression system and please bear with me, "depth", in custimization of weapons and perk load out.
^that bit up there sound kinda RPG like, thus is they like to customize their weapons and how thier character is played, like in an RPG, they might like to play ME or another of Bioware's games.\\thus they think they have some of the auidence.

[Arkitekt]

Teh you do realize that quote was fabricated by the reporter and that actual words by producer mr Melo have little in common with yours?

[Goddy10]

teh_619 wrote...

Goddy10 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

It seems their recent failure is an excuse to cut them some slack, forgetting the quality of games these guys used to create.

The CoD and the rest of the "new audience" is thrilled with the outcome of the last games, and this demo too, I guess so this is enough for Bioware

Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content with this.

Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

Cancel Preordered.

Do you mind explaining to me what the relevance of the "CoD crowd" is in regards to Mass Effect? I don't know if you've noticed, but they're sort of completely different games with very different circumstances.

CoD is on a strict yearly development cycle led by THREE different studios, which Activision oversee like something out of a George Orwell novel. Mass Effect 3 has had a little over 2 full years of development time, with NO change in development team at all, and EA wouldn't be allowed to interfere even if they wanted to.

Trying to drag some sort of massive casual crowd with a label into the argument isn't going to help you. If ME3 is a bad game, at least give Biowares Mass Effect team the courtesy they deserve and actually judge it AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED IT.

http://www.nowgamer....s_audience.html

Ah yes, but what you conveniently leave out is the direct reference in the article to Dragon Age. Do I need to remind you they're two seperate teams?

[Marionetten]

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

You've just adapted. Today there is no real escaping from day one DLCs, shoddy QA and lazily slapped together gameplay elements. If you want to enjoy gaming it's more or less necessary to lower your standards. With all the new technology coming out it's sad to see the medium regress like this. It's becoming less about creativity and more about emulating Hollywood.

[Nu-Nu]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

You simpleton. Everyone must agree with TC at all times.

Also trains are awesome.

Both those things, at all times.

Red trains are best!

[teh_619]

Arkitekt wrote...

Teh, that is a quote invented by the magazine. Producer Melo did not say anything even remotely similar, you just have to read the article.

“We have data that shows
there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won’t
necessarily call them RPGs. They’ll play Fallout, Assassin’s Creed and
even Call Of Duty, which have these progression elements – you’re
putting points into things – but they don’t necessarily associate that
as an RPG. So we think that if we expand that out we’ll attract a much
bigger audience.”

[Fidget6]

Refara wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

Did you play ME1 or DAO? There are very few who loved DAO that enjoyed DA2 that much

Yep, I love DAO and ME1 as well. I've done more playthroughs of DAO than DA2 admittedly, but it depends on what I'm in the mood for. If you look at them as two seperate games, and not go into DA2 expecting Origins, they're both fantastic games that had a LOT of time and effort put into them. DA2 is worth it for the party banter alone.

[nitefyre410]

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

 

Dragon Age 2 was not as bad as everyone says it  is nor was it as good as want to make it out to be. 
 
The same with Dragon Age: Origins... that game was not the second coming of RPGS while it did the  tried and true Bioware formula very well it was still very, very, Generic...nothing really stood out.  Dragon Age 2 on the other hand a rather interesting look and ineresting characters but was rush and really as polished as it should have been.  In all the Dragon Age IP needs to  get its own  identity it feels rather soulless.  

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

i'm a big fan of this saga, i like the history more to Star Trek and Star Wars, but i'm pc gamer, and i not like the exclusive features and content for xbox360, anyway, i pre-order ME3 Collector Edition for pc, and i not sure to pay another chepter or game about this Universe, because i need a really good porting or game for pc.

[Goddy10]

The PLC wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

You've just adapted. Today there is no real escaping from day one DLCs, shoddy QA and lazily slapped together gameplay elements. If you want to enjoy gaming it's more or less necessary to lower your standards. With all the new technology coming out it's sad to see the medium regress like this. It's becoming less about creativity and more about emulating Hollywood.

/sarcasm

... right?! Please?!

Clearly he's never heard of Valve.

[LiZaRdChaSE]

Marionetten wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

Maybe my standards are just lower than you people, but I actually loved both Dragon Age 2 and the Mass Effect 3 demo.

You've just adapted. Today there is no real escaping from day one DLCs, shoddy QA and lazily slapped together gameplay elements. If you want to enjoy gaming it's more or less necessary to lower your standards. With all the new technology coming out it's sad to see the medium regress like this. It's becoming less about creativity and more about emulating Hollywood.

then do something about it rather than sit on a forum
shepard is bioware, he is not the focus it is the hard people that the camera is looking at

[Lotion Soronarr]

Raphael diSanto wrote...
Actually, fun is the ONLY measure of whether a piece of entertainment has suceeded in reaching the individual who is experiencing that piece of entertainment. Comparing finding fun in a video game to a junkie slowly killing themselves with drugs? Nice inflammatory strawman, there. I could say exactly the same thing about video games that you find fun. Just as valid a comparison, too.

And that pair of shiny keys I'm dangling over that baby? It's having lots of fun. Hence, why that is the BEST TOY EVER!

No, fun is not a true measure of quality, altouhg there is a connection. People can have fun with everything. Get drunk, gather some friends and watch the crappiest movie you can think off - you'll have fun. Even tough it's a crappy movie.


You can certanly like whatever you want. And have fun with whatever you want. But just because you like it doens't make it high quality.
I never had - nor will have - anything agaisnt people who like things I don't. Or who find different things than me fun. I find lots of things fun..for different reasons.

I'll never call ME2 a crap game. I had fun playing it. Even if I didn't, I'd still never call it a crap game. Because it wasn't. It had plenty of good elements.

I will call it bad writing. Because that's what it is. And I will have problem with people caliming otherwise.

I have a problem with people lying and delluding themslelves, and defending things that shouldn't be defended.
People who see ANY criticism as an direct attack on everything they like.


There's plenty of crappy things I like...And I'm not afraid to admit that they are crap and I still like em, for one reason or another.
Maybe some of you should get of the "I like it therefore it MUST be flawless" bandwagon.

[Marionetten]

The PLC wrote...

/sarcasm

... right?! Please?!

Why would it be? This is no different from how the music industry is gravitating away from actual talent to dubstep and Bieber fever. It's not just gaming which is on the decline. Our entire culture is. Nobody has the patience to forge real master pieces anymore.

LiZaRdChaSE wrote...

then do something about it rather than sit on a forum

I don't purchase the products. Not much more I can do as a single consumer.

Modifié par Marionetten, 16 février 2012 - 02:58 .

[teh_619]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...
Actually, fun is the ONLY measure of whether a piece of entertainment has suceeded in reaching the individual who is experiencing that piece of entertainment. Comparing finding fun in a video game to a junkie slowly killing themselves with drugs? Nice inflammatory strawman, there. I could say exactly the same thing about video games that you find fun. Just as valid a comparison, too.

And that pair of shiny keys I'm dangling over that baby? It's having lots of fun. Hence, why that is the BEST TOY EVER!

No, fun is not a true measure of quality, altouhg there is a connection. People can have fun with everything. Get drunk, gather some friends and watch the crappiest movie you can think off - you'll have fun. Even tough it's a crappy movie.


You can certanly like whatever you want. And have fun with whatever you want. But just because you like it doens't make it high quality.
I never had - nor will have - anything agaisnt people who like things I don't. Or who find different things than me fun. I find lots of things fun..for different reasons.

I'll never call ME2 a crap game. I had fun playing it. Even if I didn't, I'd still never call it a crap game. Because it wasn't. It had plenty of good elements.

I will call it bad writing. Because that's what it is. And I will have problem with people caliming otherwise.

I have a problem with people lying and delluding themslelves, and defending things that shouldn't be defended.
People who see ANY criticism as an direct attack on everything they like.


There's plenty of crappy things I like...And I'm not afraid to admit that they are crap and I still like em, for one reason or another.
Maybe some of you should get of the "I like it therefore it MUST be flawless" bandwagon.

My man.

[nitefyre410]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...
Actually, fun is the ONLY measure of whether a piece of entertainment has suceeded in reaching the individual who is experiencing that piece of entertainment. Comparing finding fun in a video game to a junkie slowly killing themselves with drugs? Nice inflammatory strawman, there. I could say exactly the same thing about video games that you find fun. Just as valid a comparison, too.

And that pair of shiny keys I'm dangling over that baby? It's having lots of fun. Hence, why that is the BEST TOY EVER!

No, fun is not a true measure of quality, altouhg there is a connection. People can have fun with everything. Get drunk, gather some friends and watch the crappiest movie you can think off - you'll have fun. Even tough it's a crappy movie.


You can certanly like whatever you want. And have fun with whatever you want. But just because you like it doens't make it high quality.
I never had - nor will have - anything agaisnt people who like things I don't. Or who find different things than me fun. I find lots of things fun..for different reasons.

I'll never call ME2 a crap game. I had fun playing it. Even if I didn't, I'd still never call it a crap game. Because it wasn't. It had plenty of good elements.

I will call it bad writing. Because that's what it is. And I will have problem with people caliming otherwise.

I have a problem with people lying and delluding themslelves, and defending things that shouldn't be defended.
People who see ANY criticism as an direct attack on everything they like.


There's plenty of crappy things I like...And I'm not afraid to admit that they are crap and I still like em, for one reason or another.
Maybe some of you should get of the "I like it therefore it MUST be flawless" bandwagon.

 

This about sums it up.

[Arkitekt]

Teh, what Melo is saying there and you seem to have some difficulties parsing it, is that the market has a place for rpgs, since even the most mainstream games have incorporated aspects of rpg games.

[Ianamus]

Marionetten wrote...

You've just adapted. Today there is no real escaping from day one DLCs, shoddy QA and lazily slapped together gameplay elements. If you want to enjoy gaming it's more or less necessary to lower your standards. With all the new technology coming out it's sad to see the medium regress like this. It's becoming less about creativity and more about emulating Hollywood.

You see, people say that, but aside from the whole DLC thing (which I agree is annoying) I honestly don't remember the games from my childhood being that much better when it came to quality. Sure, they're rose-tinted from nostalgia, but I also remember them being quite buggy and having shoddy writing at times. Yes, even the bioware ones. 

Modifié par EJ107, 16 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[Goddy10]

Marionetten wrote...

The PLC wrote...

/sarcasm

... right?! Please?!

Why would it be? This is no different from how the music industry is gravitating away from actual talent to dubstep and Bieber fever.

You're straying further and further away from relevance. There isn't some sort of mainstream invasion being orchastrated across the different industries. As long as there are people buying ****, the **** will keep on being made and it will only stink worse.

[Exia001]

Why can't everyone just have their own individual veiws and leave it at that