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[BatmanPWNS]

AlexXIV wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Why can't everyone just have their own individual veiws and leave it at that

We're social beings.

And this means we can't tolerate different onions.

Saren would be proud.

[dreman9999]

Il Divo wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

No, you're not.

[teh_619]

AlexXIV wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Why can't everyone just have their own individual veiws and leave it at that

We're social beings.

And this means we can't tolerate different onions.

I can't believe you're admitting discrimination against my onions!

[teh_619]

dreman9999 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

No, you're not.

Are you an old, faithful and disapointed fan of Bioware's?

[Cainne Chapel]

as an RPG elitist myself... I think this whole "RPGs are the bastion of intelligence" vibe is a bit....well wrong.

I also dont think games are getting "dumbed down" hell if anything they're expanding and becoming better and better from my views. Of course i've been playing games since Atari so i'm a bit biased.

I also dont think things like CoD or BF3 are for "idiots" or "casuals" and so on FPSs have ALWAYS been popular, I mean come on... Doom, Unreal, Half life, etc.

That said the distinction between RPGs is getting foggy as of late as what some of the earlier posters mentioned, a LOT of games have RPG-like elements now and almost ALL games feature customization to a point.

But as for fear for bioware... I'm just not seeing it really, ME has and will never be a pure RPG, it wasn't one from the get go, so saying Bioware has lost its RPG roots based off of that is like complaining that EA is releasing the game and they should just be about Madden (which one could make the argument that sports games are RPGs now too....stats and spreadsheets and customization, oh my!)

But really I think some of the "fans" are just over-reacting in a sense or are a little to tied to a company to really see the bigger picture.

Honestly to me as long as bioware keeps making fun "games" that I enjoy. I dont care if they're Action games or Shooters or RPGs or JRPGS or Tactical RPGs or Third person action RPGs, or Open world game or whatever.

as a gamer I play what I find fun and enjoyable regardless of what its classified as.

I mean hell, next to the plethora of RPGs and Open world games I play, my favorite series of all time is friggen Smackdown, i.e. a wrestling game. So peoples tastes vary

[JediHealerCosmin]

http://t3.gstatic.co...71DcWZavLKd-dH 

[CaptainZaysh]

teh_619 wrote...

Contrary to popular belief, they don't need people who lick them up on every mishap and try to sugarcoat it.

If I were you I'd slap them in the face like an angry parent, tell them to pull their *** together and act like they're supposed to act.

That's how audience feedback should be.

They're not getting just my money, they're getting my criticism too, and judging by the fact that I've given them at least 500 bucks over the years, they'd better deal with it.

Yep.  You're definitely the kind of customer they should be fighting to keep.  Never mind the 800,000 preorders...teh_619's dollars are the ones that matter.  Jeez.

[RocketManSR2]

teh_619 wrote...
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

If I need an idiot to speak for me, I'll give you a call. Until then, STFU.

[Oblivious]

Cainne Chapel wrote...
-Snip-

Somebody in the BSN with a brain? KILL HIM! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Oblivious, 16 février 2012 - 03:28 .

[Draconis6666]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

FallOut 3 and New Vegas isn't a greate game, and give the possibility to play in third and in first person, but not have a grate story of ME.

Fallout 3 is an abomination and i lost hope for NV when obsidian decided to mold it after said abomination instead of F1 and 2.

Which is your personal opinion that many people obviously disagree with based on the sales numbers and review scores FO3 recieved. On the note of comparing new games to old classics like the Original Fallouts, Baldurs Gate etc, I sometimes wonder if people actualy have ever taken the time to go back and re judge those games on their actual merits without looking through their nostalga haze. Those games while good games, do not have any monumental improvements in the quality of their plot and stories than alot of current generation games do. Planescape Torment had problem the best actual story of that generation of RPGs and it wasnt that super awesome in itself in comparison to most written stories.

If your going to use old school RPGs to say that modern RPGs dont have the same depth of customization or freedom mof exploration thats more true but saying that they had particularly awesome stories in comparison to modern RPGs to me seems pointless since their quality is not much better if its even better at all.

[AlanC9]

Marionetten wrote...
 We have another example in Baldur's Gate. Remember the amount of races, spells, items, dungeons and classes? Way more than what you'd see in any modern RPG. Nowadays we're blessed if we get more than human. It has nothing to do with nostalgia. In fact, I still play these games on a daily basis as there is no real modern counterpart. 

That argument only works if sheer numbers of "races, spells, items, dungeons and classes" is part how you score quality. 

[RSX Titan]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

as an RPG elitist myself... I think this whole "RPGs are the bastion of intelligence" vibe is a bit....well wrong.

I also dont think games are getting "dumbed down" hell if anything they're expanding and becoming better and better from my views. Of course i've been playing games since Atari so i'm a bit biased.

I also dont think things like CoD or BF3 are for "idiots" or "casuals" and so on FPSs have ALWAYS been popular, I mean come on... Doom, Unreal, Half life, etc.

That said the distinction between RPGs is getting foggy as of late as what some of the earlier posters mentioned, a LOT of games have RPG-like elements now and almost ALL games feature customization to a point.

But as for fear for bioware... I'm just not seeing it really, ME has and will never be a pure RPG, it wasn't one from the get go, so saying Bioware has lost its RPG roots based off of that is like complaining that EA is releasing the game and they should just be about Madden (which one could make the argument that sports games are RPGs now too....stats and spreadsheets and customization, oh my!)

But really I think some of the "fans" are just over-reacting in a sense or are a little to tied to a company to really see the bigger picture.

Honestly to me as long as bioware keeps making fun "games" that I enjoy. I dont care if they're Action games or Shooters or RPGs or JRPGS or Tactical RPGs or Third person action RPGs, or Open world game or whatever.

as a gamer I play what I find fun and enjoyable regardless of what its classified as.

I mean hell, next to the plethora of RPGs and Open world games I play, my favorite series of all time is friggen Smackdown, i.e. a wrestling game. So peoples tastes vary

Great post although I disagree that games are not being dumbed down. If you don't like that term, use streamlined instead. The simple truth is that games cost far too much to make and developers have to pick and choose which areas of a game to focus on. A great example of this is ME2. They had to redesign combat from the ground up since it was broken in ME1 and that cost them on the RPG side. I think as fans we sometimes forget these games have budgets attached to them and just like any business, decisions have to be made when and where to cut costs. This is another reason the angle being pitched by Bioware that a seperate team handled Multiplayer so the single player aspect won't be affected is laughable. That is complete nonsense as the funds allocated for Multiplayer meant they weren't used for the Single player portion of the game.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there.

[Cainne Chapel]

Oblivious wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...
-Snip-

Somebody in the BSN with a brain? KILL HIM! [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Why does everyone always want to kill the smart one!?

heh heh

[CaptainZaysh]

RSX Titan wrote...

This is another reason the angle being pitched by Bioware that a seperate team handled Multiplayer so the single player aspect won't be affected is laughable. That is complete nonsense as the funds allocated for Multiplayer meant they weren't used for the Single player portion of the game.

You can't be sure that those funds would have been allocated to single player, though.  If ME3 didn't have multiplayer, then EA might have spent the x millions on some other project, not necessarily Mass 3 single player.

[AlanC9]

Draconis6666 wrote...
If your going to use old school RPGs to say that modern RPGs dont have the same depth of customization or freedom of exploration thats more true but saying that they had particularly awesome stories in comparison to modern RPGs to me seems pointless since their quality is not much better if its even better at all.

Don't Bethesda's games have about as much freedom of exploration as they ever did? I don't actually know myself, since I found Morrowind fairly dull and never played another game from them.

[stysiaq]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

RSX Titan wrote...

This is another reason the angle being pitched by Bioware that a seperate team handled Multiplayer so the single player aspect won't be affected is laughable. That is complete nonsense as the funds allocated for Multiplayer meant they weren't used for the Single player portion of the game.

You can't be sure that those funds would have been allocated to single player, though.  If ME3 didn't have multiplayer, then EA might have spent the x millions on some other project, not necessarily Mass 3 single player.

They would have smaller overall ME3 budget.
also, to the OP:
so BioWare was smart to wait those 5 years. Clever beasts.

[Texhnolyze101]

Draconis6666 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

FallOut 3 and New Vegas isn't a greate game, and give the possibility to play in third and in first person, but not have a grate story of ME.

Fallout 3 is an abomination and i lost hope for NV when obsidian decided to mold it after said abomination instead of F1 and 2.

Which is your personal opinion that many people obviously disagree with based on the sales numbers and review scores FO3 recieved. On the note of comparing new games to old classics like the Original Fallouts, Baldurs Gate etc, I sometimes wonder if people actualy have ever taken the time to go back and re judge those games on their actual merits without looking through their nostalga haze. Those games while good games, do not have any monumental improvements in the quality of their plot and stories than alot of current generation games do. Planescape Torment had problem the best actual story of that generation of RPGs and it wasnt that super awesome in itself in comparison to most written stories.

If your going to use old school RPGs to say that modern RPGs dont have the same depth of customization or freedom mof exploration thats more true but saying that they had particularly awesome stories in comparison to modern RPGs to me seems pointless since their quality is not much better if its even better at all.

Fallout 3 is still trash so will every other fallout that comes after it so i don't  care:bandit:

[teh_619]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.

If I need an idiot to speak for me, I'll give you a call. Until then, STFU.

Are you devastated?

[Cainne Chapel]

RSX Titan wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

as an RPG elitist myself... I think this whole "RPGs are the bastion of intelligence" vibe is a bit....well wrong.

I also dont think games are getting "dumbed down" hell if anything they're expanding and becoming better and better from my views. Of course i've been playing games since Atari so i'm a bit biased.

I also dont think things like CoD or BF3 are for "idiots" or "casuals" and so on FPSs have ALWAYS been popular, I mean come on... Doom, Unreal, Half life, etc.

That said the distinction between RPGs is getting foggy as of late as what some of the earlier posters mentioned, a LOT of games have RPG-like elements now and almost ALL games feature customization to a point.

But as for fear for bioware... I'm just not seeing it really, ME has and will never be a pure RPG, it wasn't one from the get go, so saying Bioware has lost its RPG roots based off of that is like complaining that EA is releasing the game and they should just be about Madden (which one could make the argument that sports games are RPGs now too....stats and spreadsheets and customization, oh my!)

But really I think some of the "fans" are just over-reacting in a sense or are a little to tied to a company to really see the bigger picture.

Honestly to me as long as bioware keeps making fun "games" that I enjoy. I dont care if they're Action games or Shooters or RPGs or JRPGS or Tactical RPGs or Third person action RPGs, or Open world game or whatever.

as a gamer I play what I find fun and enjoyable regardless of what its classified as.

I mean hell, next to the plethora of RPGs and Open world games I play, my favorite series of all time is friggen Smackdown, i.e. a wrestling game. So peoples tastes vary

Great post although I disagree that games are not being dumbed down. If you don't like that term, use streamlined instead. The simple truth is that games cost far too much to make and developers have to pick and choose which areas of a game to focus on. A great example of this is ME2. They had to redesign combat from the ground up since it was broken in ME1 and that cost them on the RPG side. I think as fans we sometimes forget these games have budgets attached to them and just like any business, decisions have to be made when and where to cut costs. This is another reason the angle being pitched by Bioware that a seperate team handled Multiplayer so the single player aspect won't be affected is laughable. That is complete nonsense as the funds allocated for Multiplayer meant they weren't used for the Single player portion of the game.

Sorry, went off on a tangent there.

Oh i totally understand budgets and cuts and all that jazz. I get that.

Of course you're also talking to a guy that has enjoyed ME2 just a tad bit more than 1 gameplay wise.  Missing certain stats didn't bother me although Weapon modding would of been nice... but as far as customization goes looks like ME3 will be tops for that.  Anyway.

 as for the funds for SP and MP go.  As long as the story plays out well, I'm not really worried about it, especially because MP mode seems like just a co-op deathmatch mode more than anything I doubt it was TOO resource intesive.  But you also can't always just assume that the $$ that went towards MP could of been used towards SP.  Sometimes budgets dont work like that.

For instance, at a car dealership, dealers pay for "floorplan" i.e. the cars they have on their lot. Showcasing so to speak.  Sometimes however, when a new big deal car comes out, the dealers wont always have to pay for said car as GM/Chrysler/Ford/whoever will cover the costs at the time since its the new "big" thing.  Heck some of the more important dealers will even get leeway to get more than the allotted number based on previous sales.

So essentially that's "Free" stuff to the dealer so to speak, so you could kind of think that EA could of tossed bioware a bone to get MP going and covered the costs of said action to increase sales.

Granted that MAY not be the case, but at the same time, I'm not gonna worry over it as I'm not EA or biowares bean counter

[teh_619]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

FallOut 3 and New Vegas isn't a greate game, and give the possibility to play in third and in first person, but not have a grate story of ME.

Fallout 3 is an abomination and i lost hope for NV when obsidian decided to mold it after said abomination instead of F1 and 2.

Which is your personal opinion that many people obviously disagree with based on the sales numbers and review scores FO3 recieved. On the note of comparing new games to old classics like the Original Fallouts, Baldurs Gate etc, I sometimes wonder if people actualy have ever taken the time to go back and re judge those games on their actual merits without looking through their nostalga haze. Those games while good games, do not have any monumental improvements in the quality of their plot and stories than alot of current generation games do. Planescape Torment had problem the best actual story of that generation of RPGs and it wasnt that super awesome in itself in comparison to most written stories.

If your going to use old school RPGs to say that modern RPGs dont have the same depth of customization or freedom mof exploration thats more true but saying that they had particularly awesome stories in comparison to modern RPGs to me seems pointless since their quality is not much better if its even better at all.

Fallout 3 is still trash so will every other fallout that comes after it so i don't  care:bandit:

But new vegas is better!

End of line.

[DaringMoosejaw]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...
Fallout 3 is still trash so will every other fallout that comes after it so i don't  care:bandit:

I had an amazing time with Fallout 3 and tons of hours of good entertainment and the fact that someone can dismiss it aside as easily as a Madden reboot is a viewpoint I can never understand. It must really, really suck to be that picky, but I'm glad I'll never have to suffer it.

[AlexXIV]

teh_619 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

FallOut 3 and New Vegas isn't a greate game, and give the possibility to play in third and in first person, but not have a grate story of ME.

Fallout 3 is an abomination and i lost hope for NV when obsidian decided to mold it after said abomination instead of F1 and 2.

Which is your personal opinion that many people obviously disagree with based on the sales numbers and review scores FO3 recieved. On the note of comparing new games to old classics like the Original Fallouts, Baldurs Gate etc, I sometimes wonder if people actualy have ever taken the time to go back and re judge those games on their actual merits without looking through their nostalga haze. Those games while good games, do not have any monumental improvements in the quality of their plot and stories than alot of current generation games do. Planescape Torment had problem the best actual story of that generation of RPGs and it wasnt that super awesome in itself in comparison to most written stories.

If your going to use old school RPGs to say that modern RPGs dont have the same depth of customization or freedom mof exploration thats more true but saying that they had particularly awesome stories in comparison to modern RPGs to me seems pointless since their quality is not much better if its even better at all.

Fallout 3 is still trash so will every other fallout that comes after it so i don't  care:bandit:

But new vegas is better!

End of line.

Well but it is good sort of trash. The good thing about Bethesda is that it allows mods. For PC anyway.

[Ianamus]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

-snip-

I agree, for the most part. I think that a lot of this obsession with those old RPG's comes from nostalgia. While I still play games that I played when I was young I can also see that they were very flawed due to the limitations at the time. People say that Mass Effect is trying to imitate CoD and other FPS's, but to be incredibly honest all old RPG's were trying to imitate Dungeons and Dragons and other tabletop games, and at least CoD is from the same medium.

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Fallout 3 is still trash so will every other fallout that comes after it so i don't  care

 

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Modifié par EJ107, 16 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[RocketManSR2]

teh_619 wrote...

End of line.

I wish.