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[sheppard7]

I always thought Kaiden was fleet and Ashley was a marine. The conversation with Anderson on the Normandy about Ashley being stationed there also supports this.

Yet in ME3, Kaiden is a Major (non-fleet rank) and Ashley is a Lt. Commander (fleet rank).

Did anyone else find this odd?

[redbaron76]

No, Kaidan commands a special biotic command Marine unit and he was a marine in ME 1 and ME 2 . Ashley got transfered over to fleet when she was given Normandy to command, till shepard is reactiveted and then she is Xo of SSV Normandy.

[General User]

I don't think the Alliance military draws the same distinction between Naval and Marine forces that modern services do.

I'm almost certain that officers in the Systems Alliance Navy are expected to be able to perform in both ship-side and ground-side roles.

[sheppard7]

General User wrote...

I don't think the Alliance military draws the same distinction between Naval and Marine forces that modern services do.

I'm almost certain that officers in the Systems Alliance Navy are expected to be able to perform in both ship-side and ground-side roles.

Lt. Commander in Navy is the equivalent to Major in the others. So to have both ranks mentioned would be kind of redundant if the forces are all combined to one.

[knightnblu]

The other odd thing about the ranking structure is that there are twice as many officer ranks as there are enlisted. To me, that implies that the Alliance is top heavy or in other words "there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians."

[redbaron76]

@ The knightblu
That is true, you might wander if the floor might colaps with all that tonage of ranks.

[StandloneCmplex]

I found it odd that an enlisted Marine was suddenly an XO in the Alliance Navy and having gained 6 ranks and having been placed in such a high ranking position. I just went "Wtf? What is this, I don't even...?"

[Gonder]

redbaron76 wrote...

No, Kaidan commands a special biotic command Marine unit and he was a marine in ME 1 and ME 2 . Ashley got transfered over to fleet when she was given Normandy to command, till shepard is reactiveted and then she is Xo of SSV Normandy.

Oh... I heard about the whole Ashley being the commander of the Normandy thing, didn't believe it the first time, but this seems pretty legit. I was about to say, "Thank god i saved Kaidan, i don't want her in charge of my ship!" Then i read the next part about her changing to XO and didn't really care about it anymore.

[Palathas]

Yes I did find it odd. I've just been playing through ME2 again and before, during and after the Horizon mission Kaiden is called Commander Alenko. So when and where did he switch services? Also, if Major is equivelant to Lt Commander when did he get court marshalled?

Modifié par Palathas, 20 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[sheppard7]

StandloneCmplex wrote...

I found it odd that an enlisted Marine was suddenly an XO in the Alliance Navy and having gained 6 ranks and having been placed in such a high ranking position. I just went "Wtf? What is this, I don't even...?"

She's breaking the record previously held by Johnny Rico then eclipsed by James Kirk in 2009. 


And the poster about Kaidan getting demoted, well actually there are times Lt. Commanders are just addressed as Commander. Yet normally they aren't addressed as Lt. Which Anderson does to Ash in the demo.

[Kyria Nyriese]

In ME 2 Kaidan was a Staff Commander, one rank above Shepard who was a Lt. Commander.  In ME 3, Kaidan is Major, which according to the Systems Alliance Rankings is the Marine equivelant of the Systems Alliance Navy rank of Captain.  Like someone else said, the rankings aren't really split up as much in the Systems Alliance as they are today with the different services.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Systems_Alliance_Military_Ranks#Systems_Alliance:_Military_Ranks

[NasChoka]

Spectre > alliance military so it doesn't matter

Maybe its like in starship troopers: "alenko! Commander Shepard is dead.you are the new commander xD

Modifié par NasChoka, 22 février 2012 - 08:12 .

[CptData]

NasChoka wrote...

Spectre > alliance military so it doesn't matter

Maybe its like in starship troopers: "alenko! Commander Shepard is dead.you are the new commander xD

But Shepard isn't always a Spectre at the beginning of ME3.

Keep in mind: Shep lost his/her Spectre status when s/he died. S/he can get reinstated if Anderson is Councilor (but can refuse it) and Udina won't even bring up that option. So the chances are high Shepard won't be a Spectre at the beginning of ME3.

Shepard holds the rank of a Lieutenant Commander (although no one calls him/her Lt. Cmdr.) So s/he also could be Staff Commander in ME3 and the promotion never got mentioned. Aaand: when Anderson reinstates Shepard, he calls him/her "Commander" - not "Lieutenant Commander". Field promotion anyone?

Even if Shepard is "just" a Lt. Cmdr., s/he outranks Ashley by experience, regardless of Spectre status.

Also: Major = Captain. Kaidan outranks Shepard. However, since "Major" is no navy rank, Shepard can still be Commander of the Normandy since Kaidan is NON-navy personal. In extreme cases, a Captain can give orders to a General as long as the General is on board of a ship.

I just don't get it when Ashley gets transferred from marines to navy. Maybe she got recently, before becoming CO/XO of the Normandy? In that case, I'd say Anderson did the paperwork.

[Drone223]

CptData wrote...

NasChoka wrote...

Spectre > alliance military so it doesn't matter

Maybe its like in starship troopers: "alenko! Commander Shepard is dead.you are the new commander xD

But Shepard isn't always a Spectre at the beginning of ME3.

Keep in mind: Shep lost his/her Spectre status when s/he died. S/he can get reinstated if Anderson is Councilor (but can refuse it) and Udina won't even bring up that option. So the chances are high Shepard won't be a Spectre at the beginning of ME3.

Shepard holds the rank of a Lieutenant Commander (although no one calls him/her Lt. Cmdr.) So s/he also could be Staff Commander in ME3 and the promotion never got mentioned. Aaand: when Anderson reinstates Shepard, he calls him/her "Commander" - not "Lieutenant Commander". Field promotion anyone?

Even if Shepard is "just" a Lt. Cmdr., s/he outranks Ashley by experience, regardless of Spectre status.

Also: Major = Captain. Kaidan outranks Shepard. However, since "Major" is no navy rank, Shepard can still be Commander of the Normandy since Kaidan is NON-navy personal. In extreme cases, a Captain can give orders to a General as long as the General is on board of a ship.

I just don't get it when Ashley gets transferred from marines to navy. Maybe she got recently, before becoming CO/XO of the Normandy? In that case, I'd say Anderson did the paperwork.

Also at the start of ME3 Shepard was stripped of his/her rank and spectre status (if the player got it back in ME2) due to the events of Arrival, The Alliance dosen't want to start a war with the Baterian's since it would make the galaxy even more weaker when the Reaper's arrive and Spectre's are ment to keep the peace not start wars

Modifié par Drone223, 22 février 2012 - 08:44 .

[CptData]

^ wait, Shepard lost his/her Spectre status AGAIN? *sadface*

Okay, I doubt it'll make a difference anyway. And it's much easier for BW to handle a non-Spectre Shepard with that rank-issue than one that's still a Spectre. Also there's a good chance Shepard resigned as Spectre to be able to face the trial (otherwise they couldn't do anything).

From what I know so far (and yes, I read the leaked stuff), there's quite a high chance Shepard won't be CO for the first few missions (that's Kaidan's / Ashley's job then) and will become CO once a certain event kicks in.

[Templar_Highlord]

Anyone have any idea what the lettering on Ashley's armor says? I keep trying to get a good look, but its always blurry.

[tanuki]

CptData wrote...

^ wait, Shepard lost his/her Spectre status AGAIN? *sadface*

Well, IIRC in the demo Anderson says: "You WERE a Spectre". Like, in past time. Although it's probably just the default dialogue and if your imported Shepartd was reinstated in ME2 that line probably would be different.

[Nathan_41]

CptData wrote...

Shepard holds the rank of a Lieutenant Commander (although no one calls him/her Lt. Cmdr.) So s/he also could be Staff Commander in ME3 and the promotion never got mentioned. Aaand: when Anderson reinstates Shepard, he calls him/her "Commander" - not "Lieutenant Commander". Field promotion anyone?

No. People don't call Shepard Lt. Commander because the informal shortening for Lt. and Staff Commanders is the same. If Anderson were giving him a promotion, he'd damn well make it clear.

Even if Shepard is "just" a Lt. Cmdr., s/he outranks Ashley by experience, regardless of Spectre status.

He doesn't 'outrank' her, but as he has held the same rank for longer than she has, he holds seniority. Which is essentially the same in most respects. She would be expected to defer to him, but mostly as a courtesy.

Also: Major = Captain. Kaidan outranks Shepard. However, since "Major" is no navy rank, Shepard can still be Commander of the Normandy since Kaidan is NON-navy personal. In extreme cases, a Captain can give orders to a General as long as the General is on board of a ship.

Shepard isn't Naval personnel either. He's a Marine, albeit one who was formerly in charge of his own frigate. Frankly, Alenko would be expected to outrank Shepard unless Anderson specifically says otherwise.

I just don't get it when Ashley gets transferred from marines to navy. Maybe she got recently, before becoming CO/XO of the Normandy? In that case, I'd say Anderson did the paperwork.

She didn't. For whatever reason, Marines are evidently allowed to command their own vessels in the Alliance. <_<

Modifié par Nathan_41, 22 février 2012 - 11:19 .

[CptData]

Ashley_82 wrote...

CptData wrote...

^ wait, Shepard lost his/her Spectre status AGAIN? *sadface*

Well, IIRC in the demo Anderson says: "You WERE a Spectre". Like, in past time. Although it's probably just the default dialogue and if your imported Shepartd was reinstated in ME2 that line probably would be different.

Demo is demo. You start a new character from scratch and it's most likely the "canon" Shepard lost his/her Spectre status.

So I wonder if that line will be different if Shepard got reinstated. In case it's not, I really wonder how s/he lost that status again.

[DPSSOC]

sheppard7 wrote...
Yet in ME3, Kaiden is a Major (non-fleet rank) and Ashley is a Lt. Commander (fleet rank).

Lt. Commander is both navy and marine rank in the Systems Alliance, Shepard him/herself is a Lt Commander (though never referred to by full rank) and a part of the marines.

The only ranks that change are that 3rd, 2nd, and 1st class Servicemen are 2nd and 1st class Privates and Corporals respectively.  Also Captain is Major and Rear Admiral is General.  Other than that both rank structures have the same names.  So a Lt Commander could be fleet or marines.  Why the Alliance insists on putting marine officers in command of ships is no doubt a mystery that will never be solved.

[Texhnolyze101]

ME's entire military structure is kinda dumb tbh :\\

[CptData]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

ME's entire military structure is kinda dumb tbh :

Nah. It got rid of some lower ranks, that's all. How many different NCO ranks do you really need?

[sheppard7]

NasChoka wrote...

Spectre > alliance military so it doesn't matter

Maybe its like in starship troopers: "alenko! Commander Shepard is dead.you are the new commander xD

Johnny Rico did hold the record but Kirk beat him in the 2009 Star Trek. He went from cadet to ship captain in a matter of minutes. lol

[WalkertheWannabeCoastie]

Nathan_41 said most of what I wanted to, so I have one thing:

I initially thought that the Alliance rank system was stupid, before I realized something.

In the US, major=lieutenant commander. But: if you have a Marine/Army/Air Force captain in a situation where they're with a Navy (or Coast Guard) captain, especially on a ship, you can't have two captains, especially when one is a peon and the other is... not a peon. So the Marine/Army/Air Force captain gets referred to as a major

Look at that list of ranks for officers. Captain/Major. Wait, captain doesn't equal major... but what if you have a Marine captain or something hanging out on a ship that they aren't captaining? BAM! You got a major.

Also, Ashley hitting LCDR in that time... well, ok, so she hits OCS sometime after ME2, right? And well, hell, the military will sometimes bump you a couple grades if you come in through OCS with a useful skill or education, maybe the Alliance does the same for SuperbadassShepardbuddies who go from enlisted to officers. So she got bumped up to Staff LT or something, and then up one grade to LCDR.

[Durin Duranbah]

Sorry for Necroing, but I just started another playthrough in ME1 and noticed that "Captain" Andersons uniorm bears the same stripes and therefore rank as shepards uniform in ME3.

Dear Bioware your military rank system is damn inconsistent...