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[sparkyclarky24]

 A lot of codex entries and background knowledge is given to us by the chantry. 
Infact the whole concept of the blight is explained by the chantry.. they say that wizards went to the golden city and turned it black?
could it not be so that these wizards actually just cursed themselves to mutate and spawn more hurlocks, genlocks etc.. 

this begs the question, is the golden/black city even real? is the maker real?

Is the chantry just a bunch of jumped up fanatics?


There is another post which would explain the arch demon .. 
http://social.biowar...47/index/278262

Modifié par sparkyclarky24, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:06 .

[ComTrav]

I'm pretty sure that one of the first codex entries you get in the Fade says that the Black City is visible from anywhere in the Fade. So something exists in the Fade; whether or not this was the seat of the Maker that was soiled by the hubris of man, who knows?



(That's what I've heard on the road, though. Take it for what it is.)

[RazorrX]

There is a reference that the Archmages were so addicted to Lyrium that they had 'mutated' to the point they were no longer recognizable as human anymore.



The black city / Golden City is/was supposed to be visible from anywhere in the fade, thus the chantry teaches it was the home of the Maker. The chantry says a lot of things that are questionable.

[sparkyclarky24]

hmm.



i dont get why the black city would stay black though lol.



anyone else seen the black city in the fade??

[sparkyclarky24]

im surprised there is no mention of some sort of prophet/christ figure for the maker.. to reinforce the makers alleged existence.

(Double post..my bad)

Modifié par sparkyclarky24, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:17 .

[ComTrav]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

hmm.

i dont get why the black city would stay black though lol.

anyone else seen the black city in the fade??

I was too busy trying to make sure I didn't miss any attribute bonuses =).

But yes, it's there. You can check real quick by rolling a mage character. I'm just sorta assuming it's that big ominous thing that looks like a Star Destroyer, though I suppose it could just be another fade island.

[sparkyclarky24]

ComTrav wrote...

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

hmm.

i dont get why the black city would stay black though lol.

anyone else seen the black city in the fade??

I was too busy trying to make sure I didn't miss any attribute bonuses =).

But yes, it's there. You can check real quick by rolling a mage character. I'm just sorta assuming it's that big ominous thing that looks like a Star Destroyer, though I suppose it could just be another fade island.

Yeah i saw that. The chantry has a lot to answer for. 

[Ravauviel]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

im surprised there is no mention of some sort of prophet/christ figure for the maker.. to reinforce the makers alleged existence.

Andraste?

[Joie de Combat]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

im surprised there is no mention of some sort of prophet/christ figure for the maker.. to reinforce the makers alleged existence.

That would be Andraste, specifically described as the Maker's prophet.

[Unbroken Lineage]

The fact that Andraste's Ashes function is conclusive proof that 1) the Maker exists, 2) Andraste existed, 3) the Maker conferred to Andraste certain Powers due to having been so moved by her devotion. I have to say, this was a nice change from most RPGs which build up a religion only to expose it as false.



As to the Darkspawn and the Blight and the Golden/Black City in the Fade and so on, that's a little murky.



The Disciples of Andraste had obviously gone astray (the Dragon Cult in Haven), so it is entirely possible that the Chantry has also lost some of the knowledge it was trying to preserve.

[sparkyclarky24]

oh okay, i realise that about andraste now.

i guess the ashes are sound proof of her existence.

but can anyone elaborate on andraste? ive heard she was a dragon or something?

what about ancient magic.. .what if the ashes were enchanted or something?
her ashes might not neccisarily show the existence of the maker.

Modifié par sparkyclarky24, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:47 .

[UnAffectedFiddle]

Question is, is the Maker just an incrediably strong Spirit or Mage simply able to manifest their will outsid eof the Fade? We know Spirits seek to mimic life, so how do we know that the Maker isnt a spirit who mimicked Elven life and created Humans?



Additionally, to be "aware" of the Fade magic is required so the Maker must therefore be an entity, or a powerful mage. Andraste might have been a spirit healer much like Wynne, the maker effectively 'riding shotgun'.

[ComTrav]

I also expected some revelation about Andraste's origin, something the Chantry neglected, but sure enough, the Ashes worked, and the Chantry's telling of events may not be entirely perfect, but unlike the Cake, it is not a total lie.



What does it say about our expectations for the portrayal of religion in media when it's a "plot twist" for the religion to NOT have a super-evil conspiracy behind it?

[Joie de Combat]

No, there's a dragon named Andraste that the Cult of Andraste worships in the mistaken belief that the dragon is Andraste reborn. It's just a dragon. Andraste was a woman who fought against the Tevinter Imperium and was betrayed by her husband and martyred by burning at the stake. She's sort of a combination of Joan of Arc and Jesus.

[sparkyclarky24]

ComTrav wrote...

I also expected some revelation about Andraste's origin, something the Chantry neglected, but sure enough, the Ashes worked, and the Chantry's telling of events may not be entirely perfect, but unlike the Cake, it is not a total lie.

What does it say about our expectations for the portrayal of religion in media when it's a "plot twist" for the religion to NOT have a super-evil conspiracy behind it?

Because our world is pretty messed up in some places


that anddd...magic doesnt exist lol.


Also...  religion probably started as a form of explanation (much like on DA with the chantry) and then became a form of control (again...like on DA with magic etc.)

Modifié par sparkyclarky24, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:53 .

[Unbroken Lineage]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

oh okay, i realise that about andraste now.

i guess the ashes are sound proof of her existence.

but can anyone elaborate on andraste? ive heard she was a dragon or something?

what about ancient magic.. .what if the ashes were enchanted or something?
her ashes might not neccisarily show the existence of the maker.

The Guardian of the Ashes will explain about the Disciples of Andraste, which worship Andraste as a Dragon.  They are mistaken.

[The Angry One]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

oh okay, i realise that about andraste now.

i guess the ashes are sound proof of her existence.

but can anyone elaborate on andraste? ive heard she was a dragon or something?

what about ancient magic.. .what if the ashes were enchanted or something?
her ashes might not neccisarily show the existence of the maker.

The fake Andraste the cultist morons at Haven worship is a dragon, the real one wasn't.
I suspect the real Andraste was a powerful mage who did large quantities of Lyrium, hence the magical properties of her ashes.

The Maker? About as real as any other nebulous absent deity who's existance is entirely based on faith.

[Herr Uhl]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

oh okay, i realise that about andraste now.

i guess the ashes are sound proof of her existence.

but can anyone elaborate on andraste? ive heard she was a dragon or something?

what about ancient magic.. .what if the ashes were enchanted or something?
her ashes might not neccisarily show the existence of the maker.

According to the people in Haven, she has become a dragon. She was a human female.

That she existed is pretty much given since she led a friggin revolution.

And to the last one: Ambiguity my friend, you be the judge.

[ComTrav]

SOMEONE in the game gives a conversation about how believing in the ashes is what gives them their power, I'm not sure I remember that.(I want to say it's Genitivi, but I could be wrong.)



I wonder if I can un-belief the Gauntlet bridge puzzle.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Just like all religions, there is alot of truth behind every word. The key is not to take it literraly.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:56 .

[RazorrX]

I thought it was theorized that her ashes have magic properties because people believe they do. Faith has magic tied into it, thus if everyone believes that the ashes are magic, they become magic.

[sparkyclarky24]

^^^^ "religion probably started as a form of explanation (much like on DA with the chantry) and then became a form of control (again...like on DA with magic etc.)"

[sparkyclarky24]

surely as thedas evolves more people of the lands will begin to question these holes in the theories.... i.e. what the hell is the blight ?? (and i mean properly) and wtf is going on with this so called black city??



(omg i really have to stop double posting )

Modifié par sparkyclarky24, 24 novembre 2009 - 02:59 .

[Unbroken Lineage]

The functioning of the Blights finally became clear through codex entries and such. Darkspawn by themselves are pretty mindless, like zombies, and they just run around and kill stuff but are completely disorganized. When they stumble upon one of the sleeping Old Gods (read: Big F'n Dragon), they infect it with their taint. The newly Tainted Old God goes insane just like the Darkspawn, but because it's an incredibly powerful Old God, it has the power to turn the entire Darkspawn horde into a giant hive mind, and this is why they're called Arch-Demon. Thus, a Blight. A Blight cannot end until the Arch-Demon is slain, else the Darkspawn horde is perfectly directed. Without the Arch-Demon, the horde disperses back to their small disorganized roving bands.

[The Angry One]

sparkyclarky24 wrote...

surely as thedas evolves more people of the lands will begin to question these holes in the theories.... i.e. what the hell is the blight ?? (and i mean properly) and wtf is going on with this so called black city??



(omg i really have to stop double posting )

What, you mean like we have?