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[the almighty moo]

apparently the ps3 has problems with what is in the op with other games as well...

i dont know to be honest, i can only afford an xbox xD

[Palathas]

I haven't had any frame rate or stutter issues on my PS3. My setup is the PS3 via an HDMI cable to a Sony Bravia 32" WS HD LCD TV. I've read that people are having issues with stutter and what's been mentioned above but I've just not seen it on my PS3. I'm also on a PAL system so maybe NTSC is having issues for some bizarre reason?

[Nizzemancer]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Consoles are holding back the true potential video games could be on PC.

Anyone not playing on a 5 billion dollar supercomputer with a 500" screen and 50 speaker sound system is holding back the true potential of video games.

See how that argument works?

[Nizzemancer]

Palathas wrote...

I haven't had any frame rate or stutter issues on my PS3. My setup is the PS3 via an HDMI cable to a Sony Bravia 32" WS HD LCD TV. I've read that people are having issues with stutter and what's been mentioned above but I've just not seen it on my PS3. I'm also on a PAL system so maybe NTSC is having issues for some bizarre reason?

Could be because NTSC is an inferior system to PAL... Just saying.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Palathas wrote...

I haven't had any frame rate or stutter issues on my PS3. My setup is the PS3 via an HDMI cable to a Sony Bravia 32" WS HD LCD TV. I've read that people are having issues with stutter and what's been mentioned above but I've just not seen it on my PS3. I'm also on a PAL system so maybe NTSC is having issues for some bizarre reason?

Not possible, I'm on a PAL system and I'm sure plenty of others are too.

[Gnarlesee]

You play on 7 year old hardware and expect your games to run smooth. Okay.

[Gnarlesee]

Nizzemancer wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Consoles are holding back the true potential video games could be on PC.

Anyone not playing on a 5 billion dollar supercomputer with a 500" screen and 50 speaker sound system is holding back the true potential of video games.

See how that argument works?

Big difference from average computer today, and a 7 year old piece of hardware, that we call the consoles.

[Gatt9]

Gnarlesee wrote...

Nizzemancer wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Consoles are holding back the true potential video games could be on PC.

Anyone not playing on a 5 billion dollar supercomputer with a 500" screen and 50 speaker sound system is holding back the true potential of video games.

See how that argument works?

Big difference from average computer today, and a 7 year old piece of hardware, that we call the consoles.

It would also be worth noting that the GPU's on both systems were a year outdated when they released,  and the PS3 is an In-Order Processor,  which is a design everyone else quit using many years earlier.  That's why PS3 code needs "Tuned",  because without it being tuned,  it would run extremely slow.

Consoles are a giant anchor on gaming progress,  the hardware is a large component of why.

Modifié par Gatt9, 28 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[Nizzemancer]

Gnarlesee wrote...

Nizzemancer wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Consoles are holding back the true potential video games could be on PC.

Anyone not playing on a 5 billion dollar supercomputer with a 500" screen and 50 speaker sound system is holding back the true potential of video games.

See how that argument works?

Big difference from average computer today, and a 7 year old piece of hardware, that we call the consoles.

The sentiment is still valid, I just chose to take it to extremes to illustrate it all better

[Nizzemancer]

Gatt9 wrote...

Gnarlesee wrote...

Nizzemancer wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Consoles are holding back the true potential video games could be on PC.

Anyone not playing on a 5 billion dollar supercomputer with a 500" screen and 50 speaker sound system is holding back the true potential of video games.

See how that argument works?

Big difference from average computer today, and a 7 year old piece of hardware, that we call the consoles.

It would also be worth noting that the GPU's on both systems were a year outdated when they released,  and the PS3 is an In-Order Processor,  which is a design everyone else quit using many years earlier.  That's why PS3 code needs "Tuned",  because without it being tuned,  it would run extremely slow.

Consoles are a giant anchor on gaming progress,  the hardware is a large component of why.

And without consoles a large part of the customerbase would be gone, making any "progress" a financial suicide...

[Rockpopple]

You know, this is so weird. I never encountered any severe framerate issues on the PS3. I have a newish 160 gb slim, so maybe that's why. The only games installed on it are Skyrim and ME2.

I noticed a dip in the framerate on Earth once, at the part where you aimed at the husks. After that it was pretty smooth. Now as someone who's played Skyrim on the PS3, I know choppy framerate. I didn't encounter that at all.

What they did at the Bethesda forums was take info from players who were experiencing lag. Model of the PS3, when they encountered it, etc. If it's really as big an issue as some people are saying, they should probably post some info to help others figure it out - since it's pretty obvious not every PS3 player is encountering the issue.

[WarChicken78]

xHezz90 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

I'm not a troll type of person, but I have to say here, that I really love my PC with its i7 processor and 16GB of RAM

Newbie troll? lol. Well glad you like your PC, but some people don't like or want to play on a PC.

No, not a newbie Troll either.
What I want to actually point out is, that I don't understand why anyone would want to play on a console.
Yes, a decent PC is more expensive than any of the consoles, but it is more flexible, too. I'll list all the advantages I see where a PC outtruns any of the consoles:

- Your Graphic card is outdated? Replace them with a more current one.
- I can do plenty more on my PC than "just" gaming and Internet.
- Also a big pro (at least on other games): Mods.
- Mouse and Keyboard controlls are both faster and more precise than any gamepad will be in the near future.
- On the console you'll find next to no Strategy games. Big negative if you like those.

The only thing for consoles I can see is the ease of use and that it's cheaper.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no console hater. If you have a decent reason to love your PS3 or XBox360 I'll not question that. All I say is, if you know the basics of a PC and you can afford one, why not get the good stuff?

[muse108]

And the reason I buy PC only. Consoles are extremely limited, they've reached EOL and cant keep up anymore. Its time for consoles to die and let the PC rule supreme.

But I feel for you, games should run buttery smooth or not at all. Sounds like Bioware just has to lower the quality a bit more, and when they came out they said consoles were increadably powerful to..

My advice, buy one of the new 7xxx cards from ATI.

[S1L0]

I have a PS3 but I only play ME on My PC.

MY PC + MY HDTV + MY SS SYSTEM + MY DS3
You heard me.

Consoles don't need to die. They just need to upgrade - and stop being
so CHEAP on the Horsepower. The fact that Developers are so STUCK
on 720p that even HD Remakes from PS2 games run 720p by default
is insulting.

And 30 FPS ? Seriously ? In 2012 ?
STOP IT

[GuardianAngel470]

I hope the PS3's issues get resolved, no one should have to deal with a framerate like that without doing it intentionally.

In the meantime, I think as a precaution you PS3 players should take a few steps to minimize the risks of this.

First off, in relation to Skyrim troubles, I believe it is possible that an overfilled Hard Drive Disc (HDD) could be a possible cause for these issues. Some people, like my friend, can play Skyrim perfectly fine on their PS3s. When I think about it there should be very little difference between different PS3s.

Because of this, and my understanding of how gaming on a PS3 works, I think it is likely that the HDD is the cause of these problems. When an HDD starts to get full, the read speed of that HDD slows down as (from my understanding) the needle that reads data from the spinning discs must travel further and further between data caches to complete its operations.

Because the PS3 requires you to install your games and because many of you likely have fairly extensive game libraries, I suspect that your HDD may be too full and that this state is causing framerate and loading problems.

An alternate possibility is that your PS3 may be overheating. This can be due to a variety of things but the most likely cause that I see is that there might be a buildup of dust in the PS3. The best way to get rid of any possible dust without voiding your warranty would be to buy a can of compressed air and use it to blow out the dust, making sure to approach the internals of the PS3 from all vents in the interest of being thorough.

These may or may not help, but at least it's something to try in case ME3 ships with problems.

[GuardianAngel470]

WarChicken78 wrote...

xHezz90 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

I'm not a troll type of person, but I have to say here, that I really love my PC with its i7 processor and 16GB of RAM

Newbie troll? lol. Well glad you like your PC, but some people don't like or want to play on a PC.

No, not a newbie Troll either.
What I want to actually point out is, that I don't understand why anyone would want to play on a console.
Yes, a decent PC is more expensive than any of the consoles, but it is more flexible, too. I'll list all the advantages I see where a PC outtruns any of the consoles:

- Your Graphic card is outdated? Replace them with a more current one.
- I can do plenty more on my PC than "just" gaming and Internet.
- Also a big pro (at least on other games): Mods.
- Mouse and Keyboard controlls are both faster and more precise than any gamepad will be in the near future.
- On the console you'll find next to no Strategy games. Big negative if you like those.

The only thing for consoles I can see is the ease of use and that it's cheaper.

Don't get me wrong - I'm no console hater. If you have a decent reason to love your PS3 or XBox360 I'll not question that. All I say is, if you know the basics of a PC and you can afford one, why not get the good stuff?

In most cases WarChicken that "more expensive" is the killer point. If you already own a computer that can browse the internet, edit videos, and play media just fine and all you really need is something that can play games, why would you spend $600+ dollars for a good rig that can outdo a console when you can spend <=$300 for a console?

How do you justify purchasing a duplicate device when all you really want to do is play games?

Sure you could try buying a new graphics card for $250 that would easily outstrip a console (like the GTX 560 Ti I put in my friend's computer when I built it) but then you run into size constraints. If all you have is a cheapo Dell computer you bought for $400 there's almost no way you could fit that card in and even if you could you'd need a new PSU just to power it (which would of course require knowing what that is and how to install it in addition to the added cost).

Then when you factor in most games are CPU limited with anything less than an i5 processor (which is ANOTHER concept you'd have to learn) and that cheapo $400 computer only has an i3 clocked to 1.6Ghz and you end up needing to replace that too.

Unless of course your main computer is a laptop, in which case none of that is possible.

Which of course brings me to my next point. There is a huge learning curve to building your own computer (unless you aren't worried at all about quality components). It's an entire industry you need to learn about. Companies that need to be filtered into good quality and poor quality. Build processes to learn how to do (like applying thermal paste and avoiding electrostatic shock) which all require a level of mechanical savvy to learn quickly and execute. 

Then there's the software front. You need to learn how to find driver software for your video card, troubleshoot errors in games, tweak settings for best video quality vs. best performance. 

Then there's the learning curve of the control medium the Keyboard and Mouse. Learning how to do with four fingers what you traditionally do with one is a challenge and aiming with the mouse (while easier than with the thumbstick) is still something you need to get used to.

Then you also need the proper setup. Something I've noticed when I game on PC with the K/M is that if your setup isn't designed for it, you can have some serious problems with Carpal Tunnel.

At the end of the day console gaming is just a hell of a lot simpler for those who aren't tech savvy but want to experience the latest games. It's also significantly cheaper, both in time and money spent.

[WarChicken78]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...

- Big snip -

In most cases WarChicken that "more expensive" is the killer point. If you already own a computer that can browse the internet, edit videos, and play media just fine and all you really need is something that can play games, why would you spend $600+ dollars for a good rig that can outdo a console when you can spend <=$300 for a console?

How do you justify purchasing a duplicate device when all you really want to do is play games?

Sure you could try buying a new graphics card for $250 that would easily outstrip a console (like the GTX 560 Ti I put in my friend's computer when I built it) but then you run into size constraints. If all you have is a cheapo Dell computer you bought for $400 there's almost no way you could fit that card in and even if you could you'd need a new PSU just to power it (which would of course require knowing what that is and how to install it in addition to the added cost).

Then when you factor in most games are CPU limited with anything less than an i5 processor (which is ANOTHER concept you'd have to learn) and that cheapo $400 computer only has an i3 clocked to 1.6Ghz and you end up needing to replace that too.

Unless of course your main computer is a laptop, in which case none of that is possible.

Which of course brings me to my next point. There is a huge learning curve to building your own computer (unless you aren't worried at all about quality components). It's an entire industry you need to learn about. Companies that need to be filtered into good quality and poor quality. Build processes to learn how to do (like applying thermal paste and avoiding electrostatic shock) which all require a level of mechanical savvy to learn quickly and execute. 

Then there's the software front. You need to learn how to find driver software for your video card, troubleshoot errors in games, tweak settings for best video quality vs. best performance. 

Then there's the learning curve of the control medium the Keyboard and Mouse. Learning how to do with four fingers what you traditionally do with one is a challenge and aiming with the mouse (while easier than with the thumbstick) is still something you need to get used to.

Then you also need the proper setup. Something I've noticed when I game on PC with the K/M is that if your setup isn't designed for it, you can have some serious problems with Carpal Tunnel.

At the end of the day console gaming is just a hell of a lot simpler for those who aren't tech savvy but want to experience the latest games. It's also significantly cheaper, both in time and money spent.

I can agree to that. Maybe "basic knowlage" of a PC was a very subjective wording, since I'm a PC nerd.
On the other hand, you don't need to be a pro and build your own PC - there are some quite fine PC bundles out there - all you need is a friend who tells you what is unsable and what not about those Hardware bundles.

I'm not going to let your Carpal Tunnel argument slide, tho - There are lots more aids for all kinds of minor and major disabilities for PC users than on any console. Also if you want to play with a controller on the PC - you can.

But what you said about already having a internet and media PC and not wanting to spend another 600+ bucks is exactly what I meant as a monetary cause for a console. I'd never question that choice. Only the fewest of us have money to swim in.

I have a high specced PC because I use it as >Everything<. Gaming Console, Music storage (legal of cause), Stereo, Typrewriter, copy station, Internet Terminal and everything else one can do with his PC. So I invest more into it from the start but therefor don't need anything of the other devices (except an audio amp).
Maybe most people have it differen - a medicore PC and all imaginable other gadgets including a console. In my eyes that's very impractical, but a hard to change state.

[Elegana]

Ohei, I love you. You summarized it all perfectly.

[GuardianAngel470]

WarChicken78 wrote...

I'm not going to let your Carpal Tunnel argument slide, tho - There are lots more aids for all kinds of minor and major disabilities for PC users than on any console. Also if you want to play with a controller on the PC - you can.

I absolutely agree with this. I mean, just ask AskACapper. I really wish more games provided button mapping on consoles, it would solve so many problems. Reviewers could no longer say "the controls are terrible" because players could change them.

My point wasn't so much that options don't exist but that you would need to learn about, search for, implement, and troubleshoot those options, which adds to the learning curve.

I play most of my games on PC with my controller (except my tower defenses and KotOR) but I had to learn about Xpadder, find it, buy it, and figure out how to program it to get that working in many games. In others I had to mess with config files (like Half Life 2 and most other source games), learn how to use console commands to activate those changes, and troubleshoot lost functions.

At this point the only major games I own on PC that have worry free controller support are Metro 2033 and The Witcher 2. Every other game I've had to troubleshoot in some way.

For me that's no problem because I'm the type of person that can easily approach these sorts of problems. I studying to become and Engineer because I have an innate ability to fix problems. Other people aren't like me.

That's all I'm saying. I definitely agree that PC is the most versatile platform, but because of that versatility it is also the most complicated.

[WarChicken78]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

WarChicken78 wrote...
-snip-

I absolutely agree with this. I mean, just ask AskACapper. I really wish more games provided button mapping on consoles, it would solve so many problems. Reviewers could no longer say "the controls are terrible" because players could change them.

My point wasn't so much that options don't exist but that you would need to learn about, search for, implement, and troubleshoot those options, which adds to the learning curve.

I play most of my games on PC with my controller (except my tower defenses and KotOR) but I had to learn about Xpadder, find it, buy it, and figure out how to program it to get that working in many games. In others I had to mess with config files (like Half Life 2 and most other source games), learn how to use console commands to activate those changes, and troubleshoot lost functions.

At this point the only major games I own on PC that have worry free controller support are Metro 2033 and The Witcher 2. Every other game I've had to troubleshoot in some way.

For me that's no problem because I'm the type of person that can easily approach these sorts of problems. I studying to become and Engineer because I have an innate ability to fix problems. Other people aren't like me.

That's all I'm saying. I definitely agree that PC is the most versatile platform, but because of that versatility it is also the most complicated.

We should alert the whole internet, since something has happened that almost never happens on the web.
2 People starting out from different opinions in the end...
AGREE!

[S1L0]

My PC is a tool. It is a Work Horse. Not just a " Gaming Rig ".
Whether I buy a console or not - I will always have a Work Horse PC.
It only does " Everything ".

Just so happens my work horse is Orders of magnitude more powerful than
my PS3. At present, my PC is the primary place I do my gaming.

My requirements to be excited about PS4.
1920 x 1080 - NATIVE ( No Upscaled Nonsense )
4x MSAA Minimum ( FXAA go home now - unless future versions leave the vaseline alone )
16x AF ( Yes 16 not 8 )
60 FPS Avg - 45 FPS MINIMUM ( 30 fps - STOP IT )

Nothing Less than a gtx 580 under the hood
Console coding is closer to the hardware so they actually get
great performance from such old tech. I'd Preffer whatever
Maxwell turns out to be but that's just not likely.