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[jamiekas]

It took me 15 hours or more to finally beat a Bronze mission.
I love the challenge, though; it makes the game last longer.
Now Bronze is a breeze for me, and even Silver is kind of easy. It's mostly just having a reliable teammate and knowing the map.

[DeadPoolX]

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

the level of challenge is perfect for all difficultys, I max out all my classes within a week of the early demo release and my thoughts on it is that bronze is just right for players just getting started, silver is good if your playing by yourself and hooking up with randoms, and gold is awesome when your working with a team ( though i was only able to get to round 10 and winning the credits before our team failed the round).

Okay, that's great, but... what's wrong with a difficulty level below that of Bronze?  Sure, maybe you'd find it too easy, but for other gamers -- some of whom aren't very good at shooters in general, but still want to play ME3 -- it might be the right way to gain experience and "learn the ropes." 

I think there's some miscommunication here between some of us.  Those of us who'd like a difficultly level below Bronze want just that, not to replace the current difficultly levels.  Seeing as how you get greater rewards for higher difficultly, those people playing on the lowest difficultly setting (let's call it "Training") would receive less experience and money than anyone on Bronze, Silver and Gold.

The best part about this is that people who played on Training would have some experience before trying Bronze or anything higher.  This means fewer new players who're clueless and can't fight well.  It's better for the team in general.

[DeadPoolX]

EDIT: double post. 

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 25 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[xXevildeeds19Xx]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

the level of challenge is perfect for all difficultys, I max out all my classes within a week of the early demo release and my thoughts on it is that bronze is just right for players just getting started, silver is good if your playing by yourself and hooking up with randoms, and gold is awesome when your working with a team ( though i was only able to get to round 10 and winning the credits before our team failed the round).

Okay, that's great, but... what's wrong with a difficulty level below that of Bronze?  Sure, maybe you'd find it too easy, but for other gamers -- some of whom aren't very good at shooters in general, but still want to play ME3 -- it might be the right way to gain experience and "learn the ropes." 

I think there's some miscommunication here between some of us.  Those of us who'd like a difficultly level below Bronze want just that, not to replace the current difficultly levels.  Seeing as how you get greater rewards for higher difficultly, those people playing on the lowest difficultly setting (let's call it "Training") would receive less experience and money than anyone on Bronze, Silver and Gold.

The best part about this is that people who played on Training would have some experience before trying Bronze or anything higher.  This means fewer new players who're clueless and can't fight well.  It's better for the team in general.

   Yea I can see your point if your new to the game and your playing with a bunch of randoms it is most likely you are going to fail, I was just stating that the difficulty levels should not be lower but adding a training difficulty would only prove beneficial

[vonSlash]

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

xXevildeeds19Xx wrote...

the level of challenge is perfect for all difficultys, I max out all my classes within a week of the early demo release and my thoughts on it is that bronze is just right for players just getting started, silver is good if your playing by yourself and hooking up with randoms, and gold is awesome when your working with a team ( though i was only able to get to round 10 and winning the credits before our team failed the round).

Okay, that's great, but... what's wrong with a difficulty level below that of Bronze?  Sure, maybe you'd find it too easy, but for other gamers -- some of whom aren't very good at shooters in general, but still want to play ME3 -- it might be the right way to gain experience and "learn the ropes." 

I think there's some miscommunication here between some of us.  Those of us who'd like a difficultly level below Bronze want just that, not to replace the current difficultly levels.  Seeing as how you get greater rewards for higher difficultly, those people playing on the lowest difficultly setting (let's call it "Training") would receive less experience and money than anyone on Bronze, Silver and Gold.

The best part about this is that people who played on Training would have some experience before trying Bronze or anything higher.  This means fewer new players who're clueless and can't fight well.  It's better for the team in general.

   Yea I can see your point if your new to the game and your playing with a bunch of randoms it is most likely you are going to fail, I was just stating that the difficulty levels should not be lower but adding a training difficulty would only prove beneficial

Not a bad idea. I'd like to see a "Training" difficulty for the newest players, a "Platinum" difficulty for the best players, and more balanced (that is, buffed) enemy stats on higher difficulties as opposed to adding difficulty simply by increasing the number of Phantoms per wave.

[CBHILL]

yeah, I think there should be a lower challenge and a higher like onyx or platinum. I took me only 4 days to max out my characters and I had a team by day 5 we were beating the gold challenges. Plus I think the challenges should be worth more at the end instead of all of them being worth 1500 and the extractions should be worth more as well. And there should be higher medals for individuals such as 100+ kills 40+ head shots, 75+ melee kills, all things my friends and I have done, but there is no reward for it. Especially if your doing bronze with yourself or 1 other it racks up quickly.

[Gnarlesee]

Gon2soon wrote...

I am totaly hooked on multiplayer since the demo started, but i'm having a hard time to find some serious players to add to my friends list on the xbox 360.Is there a place on the web where we can find some true fans of Mass Effect to play the multiplayer?

Xbox Gamertag : Gon2soon

What is the difference between a true mass effect fan in multiplayer & and a normal fan of mass effect fan?

[Gnarlesee]

CptData wrote...

Gnarlesee wrote...

You are afraid of Atlas spam in silver?

I can tell you sometimes in a gold wave you will meet around 3 atlases with an escort of 2 engineers 3 phantoms and some centurions/nemesis in every attack group, not wave, but group.

You have 8 Cobra launchers, which is more than enough. You NEED overload/energy drain to kill Atlas fast enough, and you need anti-phantom abilities (good headshots, stasis, vanguards) to counter it.
It is supposed to feel unfair if you have a unfairly crappy setup.

Even if you don't meant it that way, it sounds like elitist blabla (that last statement).
In one way you're right: consumables needs to be stocked first or you shouldn't go in. That's a fact. And it's as I said: don't use the launchers against "normal" Atlases. Do it against designated targets or the Atlas-spam while extracting but never use it against a random Atlas. Take that one down without launchers if possible. The Widow is a good start for the Armor, but pretty useless against Shields.

The Phantom-issue: they simply don't go down with one headshot from the Widow. You need two. Even if cloaked. Maybe because I never got a weapon mod that increases damage. Maybe because I still use a Widow I instead a nasty Widow V or something. Could be. Too bad I can't simply buy better mods & better guns ^^

Just always make sure you have at least 1 capable of removing barrier/shields, and preferably a controller like Adepts.

Yeah, maybe, but that's too much "professional stuff". I want to enjoy the game, not doing sports or something. That's why I'll rarely do the Gold run, except with very close friends I trust.
Lets say I'll settle with Silver once most classes are optimized. It seems to be a fair trade off between "vanilla easy" bronze and "Nintendo hard" gold, so to speak.

Phantoms are 100% fine and completely nice balanced. You can kill them from afar pretty easily, but the real problem is having awareness, dont let them flank you, then you are dead. They are not just little women, they are little women with enhanced super biotic power implants, which means they can generate strong protective barriers and deflect attacks (as you have probably seen) Yes if you miss one, you probably die, thats where you need a guy with stasis or similar.

As I said, in the middle of a battle you can easily miss one. And they suck up bullets like there's no morning - It's already hard to take down ONE without biotics. Why are they immune against freeze? Seriously. They should have at least ONE weakness that doesn't involve biotics. And I'm not talking about "nuking them" (launchers).

On the other side: why can't I play a Phantom (or why doesn't exist a similar class for players)? I'd love to do that, mostly because I enjoy distant -AND- close combat

And about the turrets, yes thats the only thing that does not have a solid counter ability wise. However they are stationary, and if your positioning does not suck (etc you run directly into them) then you wont have a big problem.
Your team should always have a shield remover anyway, and then it is easily destroyed from there.

That's my current plan. Going after a class that easily can remove armor + shields.
Also I kinda hope for turrets for own players - of course, they should have same punch & armor like the Cerberus towers ^^

If you can 1 shot a phantom with a sniper, then they would be way to easy for a high tier unit. Just like an Atlas should not be 2 shot by a sniper either.

If having overload/stasis/etc and using them properly is elitist and too much organizing. Well then i do not know what to tell you, it is a team game, if your team sucks(or you) the team have to fail. Else play only low difficulty.

It needs to be hard, and it needs to require fine teamwork. Else players who really put their spirit into making it a true challenge (what you might call elitists) will have no challenge at all.

About the turrets, if im not mistaken, the quarian infiltrator (not unlockable) will have sabotage, which turns mechs (atlas too, but short duration and diminishing returns) to your side.  So maybe some payback to look forward to there .

And yes even the best players can get surprised by phantoms. So it becomes about positioning and covering all angles. Which will require teamwork on higher difficulties, no way around it.  I blame it mostly on the consolized non-customizable FOV.

Btw, sorry for sounding like an elitist, i guess it cant be helped, because i am one

[panamakira]

LMAO~ Thanks but I learned the really hard way. Started playing on Silver until my character reached level 10. Then I realized I could do easier matches as Bronze. Anyway, it's all good since I'm playing mostly Silver now as lvl 19. Still freaking hard for me.

[Nyadnar17]

I am holding out to see how tough the other races are. If there are at least two other races and Cerberus is the easiest out of the three I think the difficulty is just fine. I mean if for difficulty we have Bronze < Silver < Gold and for races we have Cerberus < Geth < Reapers then I think we are all good as far as difficulty goes.

If that is not the case then yes, I would like a Platinum difficulty.


Edit:
I am Strongly Against a lower difficulty than Bronze. I understand that people want a "training" difficulty but a difficulty less than Bronze will not help acomplish that. Bronze is good for leveling up those early levels, learning what your powers do, and learning what the different mission types are. Beyond that Bronze is no good at all for making you a better player and fact will teach you bad habits and encourage bad builds that will get you killed and make you frustrated on Silver+.

One of the reason some people have so much trouble on Silver is the bad habits formed by spending too much time on Bronze. Lower difficulties would only exacerabte the problem.

Modifié par Nyadnar17, 27 février 2012 - 02:23 .

[Kai Hohiro]

Nyadnar17 wrote...

I am holding out to see how tough the other races are. If there are at least two other races and Cerberus is the easiest out of the three I think the difficulty is just fine. I mean if for difficulty we have Bronze < Silver < Gold and for races we have Cerberus < Geth < Reapers then I think we are all good as far as difficulty goes.

If that is not the case then yes, I would like a Platinum difficulty.

I'm fairly sure they are there for variety, especially when it comes to player abilities and tactics. 
And I agree a Plantinum difficulty would be great, especially considering how people can already beat gold regularly with <20 lvl characters, non-maxed weapons and the lack of character, weapon and upgrade options from the demo.

There should be a level where you have to really put effort into maxing out equipment, characters and teamplay.

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 27 février 2012 - 08:05 .

[DeadPoolX]

Nyadnar17 wrote...
I am Strongly Against a lower difficulty than Bronze. I understand that people want a "training" difficulty but a difficulty less than Bronze will not help acomplish that. Bronze is good for leveling up those early levels, learning what your powers do, and learning what the different mission types are. Beyond that Bronze is no good at all for making you a better player and fact will teach you bad habits and encourage bad builds that will get you killed and make you frustrated on Silver+.

One of the reason some people have so much trouble on Silver is the bad habits formed by spending too much time on Bronze. Lower difficulties would only exacerabte the problem.

Well, not everyone is actually that good at this type of gameplay nor do they have a rabid interest in competing on higher difficulty levels.  My wife and I, for instance, are both at Level 11 (she's an Asari Adept and I'm a Human Engineer) and the best we've ever accomplished is getting to Wave 6 in Bronze. 

The difficultly is simply too high and the environment gets too hectic for a team of two people.  I know some of you can probably solo Bronze by now and that's great, but neither of us are great at shooters and we really don't have tons of time to practice. 

I'm sure some here will say, "Get with a group and play on a four person team."  That's a great idea, but we'd need to find two other people who won't act like jerks and verbally attack us when we either screw up or just plain die.

[freskione]

Ok, so I finally have been able to beat bronze a number of times, silver a few times and gold NEVER. I came close at wave 8 but dang, those phantoms love to chase after me and pop up and surround me when I'm using my engineer and shes the only one I have at Lvl 20 at this point. Only made it that far because of the team that I was on, they rocked, I sucked

For those of you with bragging rights to having beaten gold *a few times*, kudos to you!! Ok, I'm jealous and wonder how the hell you did it UGH. However, I am determined and I'm going take the gold one day.

Modifié par freskione, 27 février 2012 - 05:12 .

[Nyadnar17]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Nyadnar17 wrote...
I am Strongly Against a lower difficulty than Bronze. I understand that people want a "training" difficulty but a difficulty less than Bronze will not help acomplish that. Bronze is good for leveling up those early levels, learning what your powers do, and learning what the different mission types are. Beyond that Bronze is no good at all for making you a better player and fact will teach you bad habits and encourage bad builds that will get you killed and make you frustrated on Silver+.

One of the reason some people have so much trouble on Silver is the bad habits formed by spending too much time on Bronze. Lower difficulties would only exacerabte the problem.

Well, not everyone is actually that good at this type of gameplay nor do they have a rabid interest in competing on higher difficulty levels.  My wife and I, for instance, are both at Level 11 (she's an Asari Adept and I'm a Human Engineer) and the best we've ever accomplished is getting to Wave 6 in Bronze. 

The difficultly is simply too high and the environment gets too hectic for a team of two people.  I know some of you can probably solo Bronze by now and that's great, but neither of us are great at shooters and we really don't have tons of time to practice. 

I'm sure some here will say, "Get with a group and play on a four person team."  That's a great idea, but we'd need to find two other people who won't act like jerks and verbally attack us when we either screw up or just plain die.

You are correct. I was assuming a 4 person team. A 2 person team is a different story entirely and a duo/solo difficulty seems like it could work. In the meantime the best I can offer is to get four people but change your chat channel to Xbox Party so your wife and you can talk but you can't hear the haters. (if you are not on an Xbox I am not sure what your options are).

[RaptorOfPerth]

I have completed Bronze with just me and another player. I've completed Silver with 2 others. I have nearly 4 lvl 20 chars. I nearly only play Bronze because I just want to play for fun, not stressing about the difficulty it's on. The ME series is the only shooter games I play. I have no problem playing with random players who want to play and don't skip out when the first thing goes wrong for them. Do my chars still die? yep. Would a training difficulty been useful? Yes it would for the first few times playing to get used to the controls and powers. My very first game was on a silver dif, I just about had a heart attack about it before I had a "oh you can change difs" moment. For people who enjoy Silver and Gold, go ahead. I I'm just happy to play mostly Bronze.

[Giguelingueling]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Nyadnar17 wrote...
I am Strongly Against a lower difficulty than Bronze. I understand that people want a "training" difficulty but a difficulty less than Bronze will not help acomplish that. Bronze is good for leveling up those early levels, learning what your powers do, and learning what the different mission types are. Beyond that Bronze is no good at all for making you a better player and fact will teach you bad habits and encourage bad builds that will get you killed and make you frustrated on Silver+.

One of the reason some people have so much trouble on Silver is the bad habits formed by spending too much time on Bronze. Lower difficulties would only exacerabte the problem.

Well, not everyone is actually that good at this type of gameplay nor do they have a rabid interest in competing on higher difficulty levels.  My wife and I, for instance, are both at Level 11 (she's an Asari Adept and I'm a Human Engineer) and the best we've ever accomplished is getting to Wave 6 in Bronze. 

The difficultly is simply too high and the environment gets too hectic for a team of two people.  I know some of you can probably solo Bronze by now and that's great, but neither of us are great at shooters and we really don't have tons of time to practice. 

I'm sure some here will say, "Get with a group and play on a four person team."  That's a great idea, but we'd need to find two other people who won't act like jerks and verbally attack us when we either screw up or just plain die.

Just mute other player if you're afraid of trash talk. But seriously I played around 15-20 hours on the multiplayer demo and I experienced trash talking only once. Because it's a coop game people are a lot more friendly and anyway on bronze you can still finish the round most of the time even if you lost 2 teamate so nobody would really care if you die or screw up 

[Nyadnar17]

@DeadPoolMK : I also was assuming that you had played with random people and had bad experiences with trash talk. If that is not the case, I agree with Giguelingueling - you really should give it a try. Most people(at least on Xbox) don't talk at all on Bronze and of the few that do I have personally never encountered any trash talk or people getting angry or any of the other stupid crap that usually goes along with on-line gaming.

[Alrendar]

Difficulty wise I think Bioware nailed it on the head.

Bronze challenges require least teamwork, quite useful for people who just want to earn a few credits and cross their fingers until they get the Widow (like me). With higher levels, it is quite possible to finish this in 15 minutes. I usually play this in the small breaks in the day - nothing like blowing up an Atlas with a Cobra to take you out of of three-thirty-itis.

On the other hand, Silver and Gold require coordinated play, most especially true for Gold. I think some guy from some other post talked about coordinating attacks to bring down atlases and phantoms - I hope that was what he was talking about. Normally in Bronze you kinda kill 2-3 enemies with one power usage. With Silver and above, those powers need to be coordinated to bring down most of the larger enemies. Frustrating? Yes. Rewarding? Definitely.

If you can make a 4man cell that you can trust, give it a go sometime.

[Felhand]

My question is why does bronze randomly get a hair up its ass occasionally and just SPAM the nastiest baddies around at people? Was just on a round were we got swarmed by 3 phantoms, several centurians , two engineers and at least two guardians. Worse yet the frickan phantoms were corpse camping anyone that tried to revive someone got a ninja sword up the ass. Normally have no issues with bronze, but that was just wrong on so many levels.

[Astarothkun]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Just wanted to say this again in hopes devs read it, I'm loving the difficulty. Please don't change it.

If anything I'm worried it's too easy, but I'm not sure I get a vote!

You get my vote. Please give us another difficulty mode, like platinum. Please, we can already finish gold with 3 people, working on a 2 people run.

Modifié par Astarothkun, 29 février 2012 - 02:36 .

[MetallicaRulez0]

I finally got bored of blowing up Bronze. Silver is just the right difficulty. You have to play smart and (sort of) stick together, but it's not super super hard. Except Phantoms... oh my god Phantoms. The horror. Managed to beat SIlver 4 out of 6 tries with pugs tonight, so I'd consider that a success. I was delighted to find out how much more XP and Credits you get per match in Silver. Definitely makes it more worthwhile when you get 1.75 Vet Packs per match instead of 0.75 for Bronze.

[HellsinGas]

there definatly should be higher difficulty than gold, because its so easy to duo it at this stage. well soloing it everything depends on how lucky will you get with those  "misions" , but makin it duo is now too easy . Silver is easy to solo if you wont get "missions" objectives swarmed by enemys.

Modifié par HellsinGas, 01 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[themaniacii]

the difficulty is great it challenges you to think where is the enemy going to come from and is there going to be an atlas mech or phantoms and use your abilities in the right situations. Played countless bronze challenges and at least 30 silver and lost most of bronze because of others quiting and nly lost 3 silver because of some one playing a Salarian Infiltrator

[bpvenom1]

did multiple waves on bronze last night seems harder than it was before they really like 2 gang up in groups to take us out i like the challenge