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[TheMarkness]

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

[Naughty Bear]

You can survive a vacuum with just a mouth guard/mask.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 16 février 2012 - 10:04 .

[legion999]

They don't wipe life out on every planet. Only if the species is advanced enough.

Modifié par legion999, 16 février 2012 - 10:05 .

[Epsilon330]

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

[Fredvdp]

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 16 février 2012 - 10:05 .

[FKA_Servo]

Maybe not all organic life, but certainly galactic civilization. I think the idea, as covered in ME1, is that humans in their huts and caves were under the Reaper radar.

[krislandis]

Yeah, I think it's the whole "spacefaring species" thing. Plus wasn't it set up in ME1 that the Protheans somehow muddled about with Cro-Magnon man?

[graciegrace]

They wipe out races that have space travel. The games make that clear, that blurb is reductive.  The point is too distilled and it doesn't make sense.

Modifié par graciegrace, 16 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[RainyDayLover]

They only wipe out space-faring civilizations; the human species have only very recently become one.

[Icemix]

They wipe out only space faring species. Common sense.

[Nu-Nu]

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 16 février 2012 - 10:12 .

[Candidate 88766]

As has already been said, they only wipe out spacefaring species or species getting close to that kind of technology. They just forgot to mention that in the demo description.

[Legion64]

Pretty sure humans were like caveman at the time. Reapers would just look at the humans as primates or animals at the time and did not see them worthy enough to vaporize to extinction unlike the protheans.

[Kingofthebonggo]

It's not all organic life, just intelligent life that discovers the relays etc...they're not trying to say that every 50,000 years life on earth evolves to this point, just that every 50,000 years life somewhere in the galaxy evolves to find the relays etc. Clearly the reapers don't destroy the entire galaxy, they just kill off species that are advanced enough to become a threat to their existence. Thanks for the science lesson though.

[Obro]

Not that I am defending bioware writing but I think it's pretty clear they wipe out only space-fairing civs or to be more precise civs that discovered mass effect relays.

[Reiella]

krislandis wrote...

Yeah, I think it's the whole "spacefaring species" thing. Plus wasn't it set up in ME1 that the Protheans somehow muddled about with Cro-Magnon man?

Yep, and probably also the reason the Charon Relay was frozen.  Maybe the Protheans were trying to save us from this culling [but as others said, the culling is just interstellar species].

[silentassassin264]

There is no plothole or need for clarification. The games make it quite clear that they only harvest spacefaring civilizations using the relays every 50,000. If get the amulet from Sha'ira and go to Eletania, you even get an account of Protheans experimenting/watching (proto)humans so it is not like Bioware neglected that there was other life in the galaxy. Is it really that hard to research before nitpicking?

[Praetor Knight]

And the Citadel has previously been at the heart of the cullings.

[BiO]

Haha, the ignorance is strong in this one. You probably don't even know who Vigil is

[Squeets]

Epsilon330 wrote...

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

Exactly... Play Mass Effect 1 bro... The Reapers leave their technology (Relays, Citadel, etc) and species that reach that level of development find them and then continue advancing along the lines of that technology... The Reapers come, destroy those civilizations, and harness the resources the civilizations they have conquered amassed... And they don't just do that in this galaxy, but many galaxies...

Harvest Galaxy over several hundred years > Use the Citadel (giant mass relay) to jump to another galaxy > harvest that galaxy over several hundred years > Etc > Etc > 50,000 years go by we are back at Galaxy 1...

They are a sentient race of machines, they are harvesting the mechanical goods developed using their technology... They don't care about organic life, simply the technology they create based on Reaper Technology...

Early humans are referenced in Mass Effect 1, there is a beacon style data cache you can activate on one of the random planets and when you do, your mind sees the mental images (similar to the images from the beacon) of an early man who sees Protheans studying the Earth 50,000 years ago (hence the Prothean data cache on mars, they have been to our solar system)...

Modifié par Squeets, 16 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Balek-Vriege]

That's been a problem for a long time since ME2 or even Vigil (Not so much though, since he states the Reapers sleep for thousands of years until a new race emerges). You can definitely bet there had to be times when hundreds of thousands of years could go by without relay activation. Especially when they have been reaping for 37 million years. Unless intelligent life is so probable that 50K years is more than enough.

"Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50,000 years" does make more sense. To be more accurate I would say "Reapers wipe out galactic civilizations every 50,000 years" since they didn't touch the Asari last time around.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 16 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Kingofthebonggo]

OP doesn't seem to have played the original so I can *kind of* see how it could be confusing.

[TheMarkness]

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

[bboynexus]

It's just a slight omission.

It means nothing.

[BiO]

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

How about you play ME1?