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[Bendok]

As others have said, I have always understood it to be spacefaring species (or ones on the verge of it) are wiped out. Look at humans 50,000 years ago. Obviously not on the Reaper's radar.

[Yuoaman]

All organic life that the Reapers deign to notice.

[Nu-Nu]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

That's been a problem for a long time since ME2 or even Vigil (Not so much though, since he states the Reapers sleep for thousands of years until a new race emerges). You can definitely bet there had to be times when hundreds of thousands of years could go by without relay activation. Especially when they have been reaping for 37 million years. Unless intelligent life is so probable that 50K years is more than enough.

"Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50,000 years" does make more sense. To be more accurate I would say "Reapers wipe out galactic civilizations every 50,000 years" since they didn't touch the Asari last time around.

The asari didn't achieve space faring capabilities last time or discover the citadel or mass relay, that was why they were left alone.

[thepiebaker]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

they only wipe out space farring civilizations

[Kingofthebonggo]

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

I suggest not starting a flame war because you think you caught Bioware on linguistic technicality. Anyone who has played the original understood exactly what that means...

[Legion64]

LOL OP is noob who hasn't played the last Mass Effect games.

[Legion64]

Double post*

Modifié par Legion64, 16 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[TheMarkness]

BiO_MaN wrote...

How about you play ME1?

I did.

The fact that it was said differently in Mass Effect 1 doesn't mean it now makes sense, it only means  that on top of a non-sensical statement the writers put a contradiction in.

I mean, what if other great sci-fi sagas like Star Wars put in facts that went against what the previous... actually, never mind, bad example.

[Balek-Vriege]

BiO_MaN wrote...

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

How about you play ME1?

That's not what he's saying.  He's saying that unlike ME1 and even ME2 the scrolling text at the beginning of ME3 states all organic life as being a target.  Unless the Reapers didn't know Asari or Humans existed, this can't be the case.

bboynexus wrote...

It's just a slight omission.

It means nothing.

This.  It's not like the writers don't know these facts.  Sometimes you have to go with what sounds good instead of something like the following:

"The Reapers wipe out all galactic civilization by wiping out those who use their relays and inhabit the Citadel, while leaving lesser species untouched. Blablabla"

Nu-Nu wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

That's been a problem for a long time since ME2 or even Vigil (Not so much though, since he states the Reapers sleep for thousands of years until a new race emerges). You can definitely bet there had to be times when hundreds of thousands of years could go by without relay activation. Especially when they have been reaping for 37 million years. Unless intelligent life is so probable that 50K years is more than enough.

"Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50,000 years" does make more sense. To be more accurate I would say "Reapers wipe out galactic civilizations every 50,000 years" since they didn't touch the Asari last time around.

The asari didn't achieve space faring capabilities last time or discover the citadel or mass relay, that was why they were left alone.

Exactly and why "All Organic Life" statement is incorrect in many ways.  If that were their intention they would make a habit of checking non activated relays just incase organic life is there.  Humans would have been killed off as well.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 16 février 2012 - 10:24 .

[BatmanPWNS]

This series has been going on for like a decade and now someone decides to complain about this?

[dragon_83]

OP, why are you seeking logic in a place where is none?

[Medhia Nox]

The Reapers only clean up the viral lifeforms (that would be sapient civilization building life forms) - they're like galaxy sized antibodies protecting the other billions of organic life forms from the few mega-viral lifeforms.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[truestatic]

OP was pointing out how the new demo didn't agree with the previous games and human history. So everyone descends on the thread to tell him that what he's saying disagrees with the previous games and human history. He knows that. It's not uncommon for games to retcon. He's asking if the writers are retconning, or were just careless in their phrasing. He's not being unreasonable.

[AgitatedLemon]

Epsilon330 wrote...

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

This. Whatever the OP read was probably just a mistype.

[Almostfaceman]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

If you paid any attention to the games whatsoever, you'd know it's life that is capable of using the Mass Effect relays and has inhabited the Citadel. Edumacate yourself. 

[LiZaRdChaSE]

prothyean ruins on mars, makes the end of the prothyean existence over lap with the intelligent man.
they might have had something to do with the relay in our system frozen in ice to look like one of pluto's moon, thus leaving our system out of touch with the rest of the relays and away from the hands of the reapers when they came through and did bad things to the prothyeans.

also read this
http://nothing-is-ir...on-38/#more-451

[GnusmasTHX]

PICKING NITS.

[anlk92]

TheMarkness wrote...

BiO_MaN wrote...

How about you play ME1?

I did.

The fact that it was said differently in Mass Effect 1 doesn't mean it now makes sense, it only means  that on top of a non-sensical statement the writers put a contradiction in.

I mean, what if other great sci-fi sagas like Star Wars put in facts that went against what the previous... actually, never mind, bad example.

I'm pretty sure it has been mentioned as organic life before ME3 too. I'd even say that it dates back to the marketing of ME1.

[Eradyn]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

PICKING NITS.

This.  I think it's generally understood what is meant by the scrawl...and if it isn't, there's a wiki for that.

[DiebytheSword]

This has been covered and answered even in ME1. The reapers let civilizations develop to a certain point, that is the point where they find and use the mass effect technology of the prior cycle, and then they destroy them at the determined time. Humanity survived the last cycle because the Reapers didn't care about us then, we weren't anything worth noting.

[LiZaRdChaSE]

http://nothing-is-ir...on-38/#more-451

[Epsilon330]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

This. Whatever the OP read was probably just a mistype.

I suppose an example would be that Humans, Asari, Salarians and Turians would be "reaped" first due to their high-ranking presence on the Gateway Relay (aka The Citadel"), and their advanced technology.
On the other hand, the Yahg would probably be relatively, if not completely, untouched, due to their primitive nature. Perhaps the Vorcha too, due to their... sub-par intelligence.

[KotorEffect3]

OP the 50,000 years in between cycles thing has been around since ME 1, that is late 2007. You are late to the party. Also try suspending disbelief.

[Sgt Stryker]

You assume the opening text crawl is infallible. There's your mistake.

[KotorEffect3]

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

I am guessing you didn't even play Mass Effect 1 or Mass Effect 2