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[Seraphithan]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

That is only partially true. They wiped out atleast one civilization that hadn't progressed beyond the Bronze Age. The planet description for Aphras doesn't name the Reapers directly but it fits their M.O. Why they did it is obviously unclear, but I doubt it was a third party.

[Tilted_Logic]

It might have already been brought up, but if in Mass Effect 1 you do some thorough planet exploring you can find Prothean artifacts - one of which proclaims (or at least strictly alludes to) the Protheans monitored ****** sapien evolution on earth. If the Protheans were aware of our existence, you can be damn sure the Reapers new as well. I think it's a pretty widely accepted view that the Reapers only wipe out civilizations advanced to the point of space flight (or perhaps during a high peak in technological advancement).

[RVallant]

Seraphithan wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

That is only partially true. They wiped out atleast one civilization that hadn't progressed beyond the Bronze Age. The planet description for Aphras doesn't name the Reapers directly but it fits their M.O. Why they did it is obviously unclear, but I doubt it was a third party.

This. I do believe the ME Dissertation topic that's floating around somewhere also touches on this. If I recall they're (protheans and probably) responsible for encasing the Charon relay in ice. Whether that stopped the Reapers going through or bothering with the system I don't know.

It may also be the bronze age species at that point were elimiinated early beause they would have progressed beyond what the Reapers intended if left alone.

[Nu-Nu]

Seraphithan wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

That is only partially true. They wiped out atleast one civilization that hadn't progressed beyond the Bronze Age. The planet description for Aphras doesn't name the Reapers directly but it fits their M.O. Why they did it is obviously unclear, but I doubt it was a third party.

That was interesting, there were hints that the protheans visited earth to experiment on them, when Shepard finds that shiny ball in ME1. Could it be the protheans were using humans as a weapon of some kind? That maybe that something similar happened to Aphras that made them a threat to reapers, without realising humans were a threat too?

Also anyone who has read the leaks, please do not clear this up!

Also, at OP, yeah the demo is misleading and it would have been an issue, a plothole,  but Virgil explained everything   One thing you need to know about BSN, people here tend to know everything, even outside the mass effect world, including the biological side of things, or at least act like they do.

Modifié par Nu-Nu, 16 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Interesting review of events transpired so far. (referring to link several posts back).

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 16 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Seraphithan wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

That is only partially true. They wiped out atleast one civilization that hadn't progressed beyond the Bronze Age. The planet description for Aphras doesn't name the Reapers directly but it fits their M.O. Why they did it is obviously unclear, but I doubt it was a third party.

I wondered about that too.  I think it's possible they excepted "refugees" from the Galactic culling.  Although it was probably awsome to have a high tech alien race(s) among them, the Aliens probably failed to tell them they were hiding from the Reapers.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 16 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[bboynexus]

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[eXiLe_CccP]

Well it actually states clarly in both ME1 and ME2 that the Reapers harvest the major space ferring species which last time the did was just the Protheans (which is kinda strange as if now we have at least 10 species that are endangered (Humans-Salarians-Krogan-Asari-Batarians [take those guys...]-Hanar-Elcor-Volus-Drell)...also because of their M.O. they first reach the Citadel, then they get the data where people are in the Galaxi and then very slowly and patiently go get them over the next centuries.. the survivors can't really go anywhere as the relays are deactivated, they can't travel far very quickly even at FTL speeds and they rely on Mass Effect technology to do so (I suppose since they invented it thay may have way of tracking it at will or even blocking it), they don't even know what is happening as their governaments, fleets at the Citadel are wiped out. This implies that Reapers will actually go to systems that
1)Have a Relay that is accessable...if you remember ME1 Charon relay was actually frozen but we don't know when and why and by whom [which will be intresting in finding out...]
2)Have a "registered" colony...there's really no point in going to ALL systems as it would take way too much time as they then have to harvest the galaxy and clean afterwards so others will fall in the same trap...
3)Wiping all organic life would necessitate to destroy an entire galaxy to be sure...and it would make the cycle useless and the existence of the Reapers pointless

[Nimrodell]

'All organic life' is used as metonymy, it shouldn't be taken literally especially because we know that Reapers didn't destroy flora nor they were chasing microscopic organisms and those are also what we call organic life. Also, I won't go into ME3 and link with the trinket that Shepard got from Sha'ira, since that's a huge spoiler... But we already seen that humans existed before culling begun and Protheans were wiped out.

[Cody211282]

BiO_MaN wrote...

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

How about you play ME1?

Well that would be unfair, obviously bioware thinks the last part of an epic trilogy is the perfect part to start with so why expect the players not to start there as well.

[Almostfaceman]

Nimrodell wrote...

'All organic life' is used as metonymy, it shouldn't be taken literally especially because we know that Reapers didn't destroy flora nor they were chasing microscopic organisms and those are also what we call organic life. Also, I won't go into ME3 and link with the trinket that Shepard got from Sha'ira, since that's a huge spoiler... But we already seen that humans existed before culling begun and Protheans were wiped out.

Yup, this.

[silhouette80]

RVallant wrote...

It may also be the bronze age species at that point were elimiinated early beause they would have progressed beyond what the Reapers intended if left alone.

I happen to think the same thing myself.  It might not seem like much to us, but the technological gap between simple hunter-gatherers and bronze age civilization is pretty huge.  If left to their own devices, they could conceivably progress in an unforseen path during the interim. 

[seirhart]

As others have said maybe the reapers version of all life is only those have have advanced enough to find the mass relays and find and use the citadel. Also in ME 1 Soverign says that the reapers harvest those species who have advanced enough to travel thru space.

[TornadoADV]

If you can't use a Relay yet, the Reapers don't care about you.

[seirhart]

TornadoADV wrote...

If you can't use a Relay yet, the Reapers don't care about you.

the way I see it is that the relays are answering machines if you will, when the reapers show up the reapers cruise up to a relay and check their messages to see if a species has use the relay and if it has well then that race is paid a visit.

[Chuvvy]

The reapers wipe out advanced races every 50,000 years, not everything.

[Selene Moonsong]

Slidell505 wrote...

The reapers wipe out advanced races every 50,000 years, not everything.

Correct, this is mentioned time and again in ME 1, including Sovereign. 

[Agamo45]

They only kill spacefaring races, as has been stated in ME1 and ME2. It was a simple if thoughtless error.

[ColloquialAnachron]

It's also quite clear that the Protheans put in place a plan to prepare humanity for the Reapers. It doesn't seem to be going so well but there are just too many coincidences to deny it.

[G Kevin]

Intelligent Life = Any race that uses the mass relays and finds the citadel.

[Gill Kaiser]

It should say "all advanced organic life" or something.

[DJBare]

And yet we hear the recurring phrase "All organic life", if I were new to the series, that would be a definite statement of "All" not "some"

[Big I]

1. The Reapers wiped out the Protheans 50,000 years ago.

2. The Protheans had bases on Mars watching/tampering with humanity and on Kahje uplifting the hanar.

3. The Reapers knew about the hanar and humanity prior to or during the destruction of the Protheans, but didn't destroy either species.

4. Therefore the Reapers don't destroy all organic life during an extinction cycle.