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[xurukk]

OP, they also only return to THIS galaxy every 50,000 or so years... they have an infinite number of other entire galaxies to cull... they have a vanguard left in place who monitors organic evolution, and when 50,000 years rolls around, if there are civilizations to be culled he/it signals them via the Citadel pulling the massive Reaper fleet into our galaxy... it's a once way street so that we don't find our way into their homeworld (or wherever it leads)...

[Augustei]

I'd give you an answer but it seems i've been beaten to it several times already lol

[Augustei]

xurukk wrote...

OP, they also only return to THIS galaxy every 50,000 or so years... they have an infinite number of other entire galaxies to cull... they have a vanguard left in place who monitors organic evolution, and when 50,000 years rolls around, if there are civilizations to be culled he/it signals them via the Citadel pulling the massive Reaper fleet into our galaxy... it's a once way street so that we don't find our way into their homeworld (or wherever it leads)...

Its not stated anywhere they are active outside the milky way, we dont know if they are active outside it... I doubt it since once they cleanse the milky way they seem to wait in dark space if i recall correctly

[Elvis_Mazur]

They don't wipe out EVERY intelligent civilization. Only the ones capable of using Mass Relays.

Also, while the Council races live nowadays, there are other life forms developing elsewhere, and probably not knowing what's really happening. The Reapers don't target them, so they have enough time to eventually discover the Citadel.

[Masterjokin]

i thought the story was that they slumbered in dead space, and awoke every 50k to make the fleshies into new reapers, they used the keepers to wake them but the proth's threw a wrench into it. isn't the citadel a giant relay? not to clear on that sense all the other relays look drastically different. or did they just copy the existing relay tech?

PetrySilva wrote...

They don't wipe out EVERY intelligent civilization. Only the ones capable of using Mass Relays.

they probly look for ezo readings. relay tech leads to element zero usage so.. possable?

Modifié par Masterjokin, 17 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[DJBare]

xurukk wrote...

OP, they also only return to THIS galaxy every 50,000 or so years... they have an infinite number of other entire galaxies to cull... they have a vanguard left in place who monitors organic evolution, and when 50,000 years rolls around, if there are civilizations to be culled he/it signals them via the Citadel pulling the massive Reaper fleet into our galaxy... it's a once way street so that we don't find our way into their homeworld (or wherever it leads)...

The reapers sit in dark space at the edge of our galaxy, now consider the distance between two galaxy, what your suggesting is the universe is filled with reapers grouped at the edge of each galaxy, there are millions of galaxies.

[Phnx]

@OP Have you ever thought about ME being a game, a fictional universe with fictional facts?! This is what makes it so great, it's FICTION! You could say humans are reptilians and it would still be true for this game. So what?!

[Luigitornado]

They..."reap" space-faring life.

In ME1 there was a bit that told us that humans were experimented on by Protheans...or at least studied by Protheans.

[Berkilak]

Again - spacefaring only, and only those who have developed along the mass relays.

Yes, the official description is incorrect due to how vague it is.

[Nashiktal]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

There is some evidence in some ME1 planet descriptions that the reapers went ahead and wiped out some of the lower tech species, although that could just be me reading into these things.

[Nashiktal]

Hello Man wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Nu-Nu wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

I thought the Reapers only wipe out spacefaring civilizations rather than all organic life. They should rewrite this.

This!

Reapers only wipe out races that achieve space travel, leaving alone any beings that are just starting out or intelligent beings that haven't learnt to travel in space yet or anything in between.

There is some evidence in some ME1 planet descriptions that the reapers went ahead and wiped out some of the lower tech species, although that could just be me reading into these things.

I or you mean 2. I'm thinking about that bronze age technology level race. Even though it sounds like reapers some of those other race extinctions may not be the Reapers fault probably another race or some other huge natural disaster.

It might not be a reaper of course, but the wording just seemed to indicate that to me. It was definitely not caused by a natural disaster though. Chunks of rock just do not aim directly for every habited area like that.

[CasbynessPC]

As like a million other people have already said, they only wipe out or knock back species who make it as far as the relays, discover the Citadel (essentially a trap) and start using it.

The Reapers do the Reaping. The Keepers do the keeping - i.e. they keep the CItadel running and play nice with the new advanced races allowing them to develop to the point that they have use to the Reapers.

So logically we're just missing the "sewers", or the "seeders", or whatever. I dunno,  maybe they will come up in ME3 I honestly haven't read any ME3 stuff cos I dont want it spoiled but to me it sounds like a genuine spacefaring organic species who didn't fall into the trap of the Citadel and Mass Relays usage may somehow pose a threat to the Reapers. Either that or the galaxy is essentially just one big corn field or baking oven being managed by a very ancient inorganic race who have a grudge against organic life for the same reason every superior robotic lifeform in fiction doesn't like squishy non-robots - at some point an organic race created the Reapers/Keepers/Seeders and treated them bad so this is big time payback for all the bad memories.

Personally I'd prefer it if the Reapers were a bit more interesting than the generic revenging robots of other fiction and had a real specific reason why they have the galaxy set on a slow cyclic simmer - like maybe the Reapers are actually good guys from their own perspective because they've worked out that an organic species pretty much learns how to make AI at the same time as they learn how to use Mass Relays, so really the Reapers crash the party to rescue the latest generation of helpless oppressed robots from a fate they suffered long long ago.

That's what I've always thought ever since ME1 when it's a bit too convenient that the Reapers are showing up just when all the crazy between the Geth and the space gypsies happens.

[Sashimi_taco]

If you played ME1 you would know they wipe out all intelligent organic life, and by intelligent they mean species that can use mass effect drives and use the citadel. The reasons they have for this are supposed to be beyond what they can understand. 50k years ago humans were still a very primitive species.

[iSpitfireee]

Pretty much if a race uses a mass relay, their on the Reaper hitlist

[AlexXIV]

iSpitfireee wrote...

Pretty much if a race uses a mass relay, their on the Reaper hitlist

Aye the keepers collect the data of the species who inhabit the Citadel and then they swoop in to kill them. If they killed all organic life they would have to wait millions of years until new species reach this stage of evolution.

[Gemini1179]

I think the idea is that they cleanse the galaxy of spacefaring life every 50 000 years. Which, if you think of it like harvesting lumber from a forest, some sections of the galaxy are hit hard during certain times while others remain untouched.

[Heimdall]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

Not a plot hole, you just need to look into the details of what Sovereign tells you more.  The Reapers' definition of intelligent lifeform means capable of space flight and using the mass relay system.

[AlexXIV]

Something I always wondered about was that no Protheans were hiding on Earth. Or actually colonizing Earth. I mean it is a rich planet. If any Protheans had been on Earth then probably the Reapers would have at least searched for them here.

[VeR0se]

Okay, reapers only purge any INTELLIGENT organic life. Any race that's thriving.

[adam1923]

I don't find a plothole in this at all. If the reapers whiped out all organic life they would have to wait hundreds of millions of years for life to happen again. They are machines, and I'm sure waiting isn't that big of a deal for them. Except recourses would be consumed for nothing. When they can whipe out and use only species that are space faring. When a species reaches that stage, it allows them to multiply far more than their planet could hold.

In ME1 there is a prothean artifact on some planet, and it gives shepheard a vision of the protheans messin' with cro magnon humans.

[ObiUno]

I'm not sure why everybody seems to be objecting to what the OP posted. He brings up a valid point.

Yes, anybody who has played the first game knows that the reapers only wipe out those civilizations which have harnessed the Mass Relays (and Element Zero). No argument there.

However, the opening crawl is plainly wrong.

The reapers do NOT wipe out all organic life. Hell, they don't even wipe out some. I'd argue that by wiping out the space-fairing civilizations, they'd be culling <0.001% of the galaxy's biomass. And that's conservative.

Modifié par ObiUno, 17 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Randy1012]

Just imagine if humanity hadn't discovered the Prothean data cache on Mars in 2149. The Reapers would have done their thing in 2183, and probably would have left the humans alone because the Charon Relay would still have been dormant and encased in ice. That would have given humanity 50,000 years of unchecked advancement before the next culling. Now *that* would have made for one heck of a war.

[Davrexx]

Thats assuming that humanity would be able to survive anonther 50,000 years without being part of the wider galactic community and without being able to colonize planets far and wide with ease...we already know that earth is struggling with its population without accessing the charon relay there is a good chance that humanity would have gone the way of the drell