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[Randy1012]

Davrexx wrote...

Thats assuming that humanity would be able to survive anonther 50,000 years without being part of the wider galactic community and without being able to colonize planets far and wide with ease...we already know that earth is struggling with its population without accessing the charon relay there is a good chance that humanity would have gone the way of the drell

Well, I meant to imply that humanity would have eventually discovered the Prothean data cache after the Reapers were gone.

Although now that I think about it, it took the Reapers centuries to cull the Protheans, so it probably would have taken a similar amount of time for them to do the same to the asari, salarians, turians, etc. So humanity probably would have been screwed anyway, because if they discovered the Charon Relay while the Reapers were still around...

[MrFob]

Besides, we don't know how far the reapers really go. Could be that they are also checking planets for life that is already developed to a point of - say - medieval humans. Would make sense to correct for a margin of error here.
Furthermore, I think it is plausible that by their cullings, the reapers basically "synch" the timing of the evolution of the different species to a couple of thousand years. Combine that with the fact that progress seems to slow down quite a bit as soon as the races are depending on mass effect based technology and they souldn't run into any problems - at least until Shepard shows up.

[AlanC9]

It's pretty obvious that the Reapers only exterminate technological life. The thread premise is full of fail.

[ncknck]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

For anyone who knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history Mass Effect series appears to be a carbon copy of the events on Earth!

Because reality is, life is periodically purged off Earth's surface. Saw any dinosaur recently? For whatever reason which is still unknown they are gone, which does include the possibility of Reaper purging(!). The only reason we exist is because older organic life is gone. And since they werent likely to commit mass suicide, they were exterminated. Sounds like the exact ME plot to me. 

Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.

There is no need to guess. Life was virtually non existing on Earth for the first 4bln years. Thats how long it took to create life. Until the Cambrian Explosion, which as the name suggests is a rapid expansion of matured life, and no amount of killing could stop it anymore. There were times on Earth where >90% of all life were gone. Possibly reapers work. But, once life is established(working procreation method) ist impossible to kill. How to you kill an anaerob bacteria sitting somewhere in the ocean. Impossible. kill all humans, and in 500ml years you will have another fully developed human civilization hehe.

[MrFob]

Hello Man wrote...

Better question I wonder if possible
any species deliberately deactivated or never activated a relay for the
sake of Reapers. But then again this strategy may not work either as we
all now they're very patient and would probably detect them somehow and
travel via FTL.

No need for that.
Usually, the reapers came through the citadel. According to vigil (who also had mostly theories to be hones) the citadel would give them control over the whole relay network. I always though this way, they'd be capable of remotely activating (or inactivating) any relay they want. That way, it doesn't matter if a civilization has activated "their" relay or not. Besides, virtually no one knows about the reapers until it is too late, so no civilization could do that.

Modifié par MrFob, 17 février 2012 - 04:28 .

[Davnort]

once your species finds the citadel and all those mass relays youre done for.

[Garrus Kavarian]

This thread is just what I've been thinking since I began my Geology class this term! Thanks for reading my mind

[ObiUno]

ncknck wrote...

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

For anyone who knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history Mass Effect series appears to be a carbon copy of the events on Earth!

Because reality is, life is periodically purged off Earth's surface. Saw any dinosaur recently? For whatever reason which is still unknown they are gone, which does include the possibility of Reaper purging(!). The only reason we exist is because older organic life is gone. And since they werent likely to commit mass suicide, they were exterminated. Sounds like the exact ME plot to me. 

Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.

There is no need to guess. Life was virtually non existing on Earth for the first 4bln years. Thats how long it took to create life. Until the Cambrian Explosion, which as the name suggests is a rapid expansion of matured life, and no amount of killing could stop it anymore. There were times on Earth where >90% of all life were gone. Possibly reapers work. But, once life is established(working procreation method) ist impossible to kill. How to you kill an anaerob bacteria sitting somewhere in the ocean. Impossible. kill all humans, and in 500ml years you will have another fully developed human civilization hehe.

Except mass extinctions occur on the order of hundreds of millions of years...not 50 thousand. And even if you left all prokaryotic life untouched on the earth's surface, 50 thousand years is nowhere near enough time for multicellular organisms to evolve.

In any case, we all know what the crawl is intending to say (all advanced life). At the same time, we should aknowledge that in its current form, it is incorrect (and obviously so).

[Davrexx]

Is it possible that our ancestors survived the last genocide due to the protheans on mars sealing off the relay....was it encased in ice because of disuse or was it intentional

[Davrexx]

but then even if that is how life on earth survived 50,000 years doesnt seem like enough time for organic life to develop in other parts of the galaxy...unless of course the reapers deliberatly "seed" planets in order to have a harvest to reap next time round

[Almostfaceman]

ObiUno wrote...

I'm not sure why everybody seems to be objecting to what the OP posted. He brings up a valid point.

Yes, anybody who has played the first game knows that the reapers only wipe out those civilizations which have harnessed the Mass Relays (and Element Zero). No argument there.

However, the opening crawl is plainly wrong.

The reapers do NOT wipe out all organic life. Hell, they don't even wipe out some. I'd argue that by wiping out the space-fairing civilizations, they'd be culling <0.001% of the galaxy's biomass. And that's conservative.

Pay attention and read the thread please. 

Nimrodell wrote...

'All organic life' is used as metonymy, it shouldn't be taken literally especially because we know that Reapers didn't destroy flora nor they were chasing microscopic organisms and those are also what we call organic life. Also, I won't go into ME3 and link with the trinket that Shepard got from Sha'ira, since that's a huge spoiler... But we already seen that humans existed before culling begun and Protheans were wiped out.

All it takes is investing a small amount of time and energy, and the answers come forth. Language can be more subtle than what you seem to comprehend. Cheers!

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 17 février 2012 - 05:02 .

[seirhart]

you know with all of those millions and probably billions of years of harvesting the life from the galaxy, what is the possiblity of an advanced civilization some how finds out about the reapers before the invasion even happened and so they completely forgo all technology and I mean everything and purposely go back to the stone or even before stone age.

[IST]

BiO_MaN wrote...

TheMarkness wrote...

Hey hey, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make this up, it's what the demo says:

"all ORGANIC life"

Look it up if you want.

How about you play ME1?

How about you just listen to what he's trying to say...

Yeah yeah, we've all played ME1/ME2 a million times bro, it's just that the demo and probable final game intro, says ALL ORGANIC LIFE.  Which, if you were a n00b who hasn't played the first two.. you MAY think that this statement, which is the first statement/story driven data presented in ME3, is LOCO as it is incorrect/impossible as if ALL organic life was wiped out.. no more could evolve/grow again could it? 

I noticed this too, actually it was a bit of a face-palm.. but not a full face-palm, on my first ME3 demo playthrough.. for those of us that know (nearly everyone here), we know it's worded a bit iffy.. that's all he's saying bro...

Modifié par DEMIKLY, 17 février 2012 - 05:19 .

[MrFob]

Chill out Demikly, the characters say "all organic life" in that context all the time during ME1 and 2 (including Shepard). It's not like they just started it. It's just a bit ambiguous. That's all.

[ncknck]

I think Bioware was just exaggerating a bit so its not that big number for people to relate to.

For discussion's sake. Im not sure i agree with that logic. Humans survived because they are highly adaptable. We are the plague. Killing a space faring human civ, i dont see how it is possible. Humans would spread to any livable place and planet possible, build small communities and anything. The reapers would pretty much have to neutralize the planet, any living planet, to kill us off, or we would recover. = equivalent to full purging. Besides 50k years is not that much of a difference for the ruins to decay. Concrete, plastic. This stuff is made for ages. Assuming protheans were just as advanced, we wouldnt just find "ruins" but more or less fully working cities. for 50ky to work, the Reapers would have to throughly destroy even structures = again equivalent to full purging.

Purging ALL life on the other hand explains why the the mass effect civilization are on the same level relatively speaking.  Everyone gets a new fresh start.

Were they to spare non space faring civs, lets say they left the galaxy in 1960. Thats 50'000 years of space civ, more than it took us to advance from barbarians to civilized people. Realistically, if not purging everything, the reapers would have to return every 1k years or so.

I think mixing reality and sci-fi, only works to a certain level, after that it doesnt make sense anymore, for marketing reasons, the same reason why all the "aliens" look like humans with a bit of extra something in the face.

Modifié par ncknck, 17 février 2012 - 05:49 .

[SomeKindaEnigma]

I believe they stated the Reapers destroy all organic life as opposed to advanced civilizations because saying anything other than that would be borderline spoiler

[R3DKL0UD]

They were waiting for the iPhone 25 and Diablo 7.

[Keller42]

Reiella wrote...

krislandis wrote...

Yeah, I think it's the whole "spacefaring species" thing. Plus wasn't it set up in ME1 that the Protheans somehow muddled about with Cro-Magnon man?

Yep, and probably also the reason the Charon Relay was frozen.  Maybe the Protheans were trying to save us from this culling [but as others said, the culling is just interstellar species].

Wow I did not think about this. Good theory!

[SomeKindaEnigma]

R3DKL0UD wrote...

They were waiting for the iPhone 25 and Diablo 7.

And Half Life 3

[2484Stryker]

So yet another example of poor writing that serves neither new comers to the series or veterans? sigh...

[R3DKL0UD]

[quote]Keller42 wrote...

[quote]Reiella wrote...

[quote]krislandis wrote...

Yeah, I think it's the whole "spacefaring species" thing. Plus wasn't it set up in ME1 that the Protheans somehow muddled about with Cro-Magnon man? [/quote]

Yep, and probably also the reason the Charon Relay was frozen.  Maybe the Protheans were trying to save us from this culling [but as others said, the culling is just interstellar species].
[/quote]

This is a good explanation of why many races have incredible facial similarities for evolving on seperate worlds.

[ObiUno]

Almostfaceman wrote...

ObiUno wrote...

I'm not sure why everybody seems to be objecting to what the OP posted. He brings up a valid point.

Yes, anybody who has played the first game knows that the reapers only wipe out those civilizations which have harnessed the Mass Relays (and Element Zero). No argument there.

However, the opening crawl is plainly wrong.

The reapers do NOT wipe out all organic life. Hell, they don't even wipe out some. I'd argue that by wiping out the space-fairing civilizations, they'd be culling <0.001% of the galaxy's biomass. And that's conservative.

Pay attention and read the thread please. 

Nimrodell wrote...

'All organic life' is used as metonymy, it shouldn't be taken literally especially because we know that Reapers didn't destroy flora nor they were chasing microscopic organisms and those are also what we call organic life. Also, I won't go into ME3 and link with the trinket that Shepard got from Sha'ira, since that's a huge spoiler... But we already seen that humans existed before culling begun and Protheans were wiped out.

All it takes is investing a small amount of time and energy, and the answers come forth. Language can be more subtle than what you seem to comprehend. Cheers!

"All organic life" referring to "All spacefaring life" is NOT a metonym...it is simply incorrect. You don't refer to "advanced life" or "spacefaring life" as "all organic life." The terms are not commonly, or even rarely, associated with each other. 

[Almostfaceman]

ObiUno wrote...

"All organic life" referring to "All spacefaring life" is NOT a metonym...it is simply incorrect. You don't refer to "advanced life" or "spacefaring life" as "all organic life." The terms are not commonly, or even rarely, associated with each other. 

In the context of Mass Effect, it IS a metonymy. 

End of line.

[bennyjammin79]

I farted on the set of Blue Lagoon once.