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[Ricvenart]

They are only interested in Species that have reached a certain point of development, if we were walking around 50 000 years ago we weren't worth the effort. Whatever there goal is but I assume it's a fuel of some kind, in which case we may have not discovered the thing they want from us.

You're right though, it shouldn't say all organic life, I think in 1 and 2 they refer to it as "All Advanced organic life". But something else bothered me in ME2 and the demo, in one and parts of 2 wasn't the 50 000 year thing taken as a loose estimate, not set in stone, that's why they left a sentinel behind (Sovereign) to keep tabs on the progress and why keeps wait for a signal and not just trigger it at a set time. It makes sense they'd be willing to wait a few millenia if it benifits them more, yet now they seem to have set it in stone.

I get it doesn't have to be taken literally, but dropping the Advanced and Roughly hardly saved a massive amount of time and frankly can only lead to books like Deception.

[Alithinos]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

They only wipe out species that are evolved enough,but always leave a small population alive,but without technology,so a new civilization will start again,so when it grows up they can return and harvest them.

[Novate]

they only absorb the intelligent lifeforms, lifeforms that was able to utilize the mass effect relays. So if we never activate the relays, the Reapers will still not effect Earth because we are still not smart enough to get on their meal list.

[MetallicShepard]

Squeets wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

Exactly... Play Mass Effect 1 bro... The Reapers leave their technology (Relays, Citadel, etc) and species that reach that level of development find them and then continue advancing along the lines of that technology... The Reapers come, destroy those civilizations, and harness the resources the civilizations they have conquered amassed... And they don't just do that in this galaxy, but many galaxies...

Harvest Galaxy over several hundred years > Use the Citadel (giant mass relay) to jump to another galaxy > harvest that galaxy over several hundred years > Etc > Etc > 50,000 years go by we are back at Galaxy 1...

They are a sentient race of machines, they are harvesting the mechanical goods developed using their technology... They don't care about organic life, simply the technology they create based on Reaper Technology...

Early humans are referenced in Mass Effect 1, there is a beacon style data cache you can activate on one of the random planets and when you do, your mind sees the mental images (similar to the images from the beacon) of an early man who sees Protheans studying the Earth 50,000 years ago (hence the Prothean data cache on mars, they have been to our solar system)...

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second there. It was never said that the Reapers harvest multiple galaxies. As far as we know, the Milky Way is the only one they harvest. They harvest this one every 50,000 years, then jump back through the Citadel relay and lie dormant in dark space for another 50,000 years. They don't go on harvesting another galaxy. The nearest galaxy to the Milky Way is Andromeda, and it is unfathomably far away. There's absolutely no way the Reapers could FTL to another galaxy and still have the resources to come back and harvest the Milky Way. You've got your facts wrong

[Candidate 88766]

MetallicShepard wrote...

Squeets wrote...

Epsilon330 wrote...

The Reapers define "Intelligent" life as a major spacefaring species. It's how they assimilate new technology that will be of use to them. If they can't get a race to develop in the way they set up (E.G. The Mass Relays), then they're useless to them.

Exactly... Play Mass Effect 1 bro... The Reapers leave their technology (Relays, Citadel, etc) and species that reach that level of development find them and then continue advancing along the lines of that technology... The Reapers come, destroy those civilizations, and harness the resources the civilizations they have conquered amassed... And they don't just do that in this galaxy, but many galaxies...

Harvest Galaxy over several hundred years > Use the Citadel (giant mass relay) to jump to another galaxy > harvest that galaxy over several hundred years > Etc > Etc > 50,000 years go by we are back at Galaxy 1...

They are a sentient race of machines, they are harvesting the mechanical goods developed using their technology... They don't care about organic life, simply the technology they create based on Reaper Technology...

Early humans are referenced in Mass Effect 1, there is a beacon style data cache you can activate on one of the random planets and when you do, your mind sees the mental images (similar to the images from the beacon) of an early man who sees Protheans studying the Earth 50,000 years ago (hence the Prothean data cache on mars, they have been to our solar system)...

Whoa whoa whoa, hold on a second there. It was never said that the Reapers harvest multiple galaxies. As far as we know, the Milky Way is the only one they harvest. They harvest this one every 50,000 years, then jump back through the Citadel relay and lie dormant in dark space for another 50,000 years. They don't go on harvesting another galaxy. The nearest galaxy to the Milky Way is Andromeda, and it is unfathomably far away. There's absolutely no way the Reapers could FTL to another galaxy and still have the resources to come back and harvest the Milky Way. You've got your facts wrong

Yeah, they don't do it in multiple galaxies. Just this one.

[Capeo]

The 50,000 year cycle makes even less sense if you've read the script and see what their purported purpose for existing is.

Modifié par Capeo, 17 février 2012 - 03:24 .

[Taradil]

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

You know that cromagnom humans existed during the same time as protheans? If you play a specific quest in ME1 you'll relive the memory (in text form) as one of these where det Protheans stuided pre-humans.

[Arcadian Legend]

Every 50,000 years they wipe out only the most technologically advanced species (ie those who achieved space flight) Everything else is left alone until they too reach that level.

[Capeo]

Taradil wrote...

TheMarkness wrote...

 In the demo it says the Reapers are, and I quote

"a sentient race of machines responsible for cleansing the galaxy of all organic life every 50, 000 years'

50 000 years?!
Now for anyone that knows anything about cosmology, biology or just basic human history this should be setting off alarms.
Why?

1. Abiogenisis is not an exact science, but the estimated age of the earth is 4.5 billion years.
The oldest traces of life we found are about 3 billion years old. So that means life took about 1.5 billion years to emerge.
Let's say Earth was really slow at producing life, so we'll cut that number to a third and say it usually only takes life 500M years to emerge.
Even so, if the reapers were cleaning house every 50k years the galaxy would effectively be dead.

2. Previously it was stated that the reapers eradicate intelligent life, buuut...
While the neolithic revolution started about 10 000 years ago it is estimated that humans have walked the earth for over 100 000 years, quite possibly around a quarter of a million years.
So I don't know about the rest of the galaxy, but the Reapers sure have done a **** job wiping out organic life or inteligent life every 50 000 years on Earth.

The only way this plot hole makes sense is if Bioware's writers are creationists and believe the earth is 6000 years old. 

It's obviously not a game breaking detail and can be overlooked, but still, I do seriously hope ME3 will correct it to saying the Reapers wipe out civilizations every 50 000 years, that makes more sense.

You know that cromagnom humans existed during the same time as protheans? If you play a specific quest in ME1 you'll relive the memory (in text form) as one of these where det Protheans stuided pre-humans.

Not to be pendantic but cro-magnan man is a modern human not a pre-human.  

[Knottedredloc]

Taradil wrote...

You know that cromagnom humans existed during the same time as protheans? If you play a specific quest in ME1 you'll relive the memory (in text form) as one of these where det Protheans stuided pre-humans.

I always loved that quest.  You have to get the trinket from The Constort on the Citidel to activate the orb.

WARNING! NERD ALERT!!!

I believe that quest is a direct reference one of the greats Star Trek TNG episodes "The Inner Light".   Something very simaliar happened to Captian Picard in that episode after finding a probe in the "Salarian System".

NERD ALERT ENDING!!!

[Capeo]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Every 50,000 years they wipe out only the most technologically advanced species (ie those who achieved space flight) Everything else is left alone until they too reach that level.

Although it's still rather ridiculous given the rate of technologicaly advancement of humans alone.  The Reapers timing would have to be constantly pefect because that is a massive amount of time inbetween cycles for a species to develop tech.  Say, they came 10,000 years ago and skipped over an intelligent species because it hadn't achieved spaceflight but was somewhere around where we were 100 years ago.  That gives them 40,000 friggin years before the Reapers return.  Imagine where humans will be 40,000 years from now tech-wise?  Somehow I don't think the Reapers would be that scary.  We would have long ago reverse engineered the relays and the citadel and have weapons that would make short work of Reapers.

[seirhart]

thats the thing though everything is based off the technology of the mass relays and the citadel, they force us to use the technoglogy of the relays - so that way no matter how advanced we are the reapers can control everything during their extinction.

Also if you go by vigil, he says that the reapers are methodical they take up to a thousand years or more to wipe out all advanced life in the galaxy and then they remove all evidence of there existence and then they go thru the citadel and wait for another 50k years to start again.

[Rasofe]

Those fossils? They're fake. Put there by the Reapers to confuse you.
Scientists who discovered that the Earth is millions of years old? Indoctrinated.
TT sad but true.

Edit: They seem to leave a Vanguard like Sovereign behind, though. If they eradicate almost all life in the Galaxy but some upstart seems to be left behind ready to evolve, Sovereign would've probably used subterfudge or some other method to destroy them. Sovereign vs a nearly Spaceflight race? No problem.

Modifié par Rasofe, 17 février 2012 - 05:00 .

[DimmockDude]

They only wipe out species that have discovered the mass relays and the citadel. Humans, turians, salarians all existed at the same time as the protheans but were not advanced enough to be harvested. Every 50,000 years is probably how much time it takes for a species to become advanced. For example at the time of mass effect there are probably other species that have existed for millions of years but arent advanced enough to travel into space and in 50,000 years after the reapers plan to have wiped out the humans, turians, asari, salarians etc that unkown species will have discovered the mass relays and the citadel. This continues hence the every 50,000 years harvesting.

[AlanC9]

Capeo wrote...
Although it's still rather ridiculous given the rate of technologicaly advancement of humans alone.  The Reapers timing would have to be constantly pefect because that is a massive amount of time inbetween cycles for a species to develop tech.  Say, they came 10,000 years ago and skipped over an intelligent species because it hadn't achieved spaceflight but was somewhere around where we were 100 years ago.  That gives them 40,000 friggin years before the Reapers return.  Imagine where humans will be 40,000 years from now tech-wise?  Somehow I don't think the Reapers would be that scary.  We would have long ago reverse engineered the relays and the citadel and have weapons that would make short work of Reapers.

True, but who actually said that the Reapers do this by the clock? Maybe 50,000 years is just the average, and the Reapers actually return based on something measurable, like the amount of traffic through the mass relays.

[seirhart]

AlanC9 wrote...

Capeo wrote...
Although it's still rather ridiculous given the rate of technologicaly advancement of humans alone.  The Reapers timing would have to be constantly pefect because that is a massive amount of time inbetween cycles for a species to develop tech.  Say, they came 10,000 years ago and skipped over an intelligent species because it hadn't achieved spaceflight but was somewhere around where we were 100 years ago.  That gives them 40,000 friggin years before the Reapers return.  Imagine where humans will be 40,000 years from now tech-wise?  Somehow I don't think the Reapers would be that scary.  We would have long ago reverse engineered the relays and the citadel and have weapons that would make short work of Reapers.

True, but who actually said that the Reapers do this by the clock? Maybe 50,000 years is just the average, and the Reapers actually return based on something measurable, like the amount of traffic through the mass relays.

This makes more sense for me than anything, you have the vanguard who every few years checks the mass relays to see if any has been used and how often

[Justicar]

The Reapers don't just kill the Space-faring species. If we hadn't developed space-flight and the Reapers came here, they'd kill us too. Maybe scavenge our tech for study. As long as a species is advanced enough.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Yeah, no, it's all advanced space-faring civilizations. So all the Turian Tigers and Asari Alligators will survive.

If you're in a modern era, you're toast. The reapers leave life to evolve so they can come wipe it out again, if they have no food, they won't be able to live on, so they leave ****.

[Goneaviking]

Justicar wrote...

The Reapers don't just kill the Space-faring species. If we hadn't developed space-flight and the Reapers came here, they'd kill us too. Maybe scavenge our tech for study. As long as a species is advanced enough.

Yes, I remember one of the worlds that was scorched by the Reapers looked like it had reached Iron Age development before being purged.

My theory based off of that was that an Iron Age culture is probably not too far (in Reaper time, not human time) from figuring out the kind of technologies that would make them interesting to the Reapers. But having them get started on galactic colonisation so early in the cycle would give them a massive headstart on other races and possibly even give them time to develop enough to become a genuine threat to the Reapers.

[Justicar]

Goneaviking wrote...

Justicar wrote...

The Reapers don't just kill the Space-faring species. If we hadn't developed space-flight and the Reapers came here, they'd kill us too. Maybe scavenge our tech for study. As long as a species is advanced enough.

Yes, I remember one of the worlds that was scorched by the Reapers looked like it had reached Iron Age development before being purged.

My theory based off of that was that an Iron Age culture is probably not too far (in Reaper time, not human time) from figuring out the kind of technologies that would make them interesting to the Reapers. But having them get started on galactic colonisation so early in the cycle would give them a massive headstart on other races and possibly even give them time to develop enough to become a genuine threat to the Reapers.

Exactly, which is what I think they did with the Protheans. It was a big mistake, because if not for the Protheans, we'd be Reaper Smoothie by now.

[Masterjokin]

we maybe looking at it totally wrong, maybe the reapers only go after Large civilizations. in me2 we saw they where turning humans into reaper food. maybe they need X amount to make a reaper, and maybe their are other factors involved. reapers are like the borg, only they go after certain genetic traits, and wipe out everyone else to keep their cover. i mean think about it, would you leave evidence behind that might rally a whole galaxy to pour everything into making weapons and tech to kill you?

[Wolverfrog]

Charon relay was encased in ice; I theorise this was done by the Protheans on Mars to stop the Reapers coming to Earth in that cycle for reasons that will become clear in ME3.

[whitey4444]

Squeets wrote...

Harvest Galaxy over several hundred years > Use the Citadel (giant mass relay) to jump to another galaxy > harvest that galaxy over several hundred years > Etc > Etc > 50,000 years go by we are back at Galaxy 1...

I've always wondered about other galaxies, is that actually true or speculation?

[Masterjokin]

next from bioware, mass effect Galaxies. be like SGU without all the crybaby backstabbing and loads more sex.