Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...
So basically OP is mad because a shooter-RPG has shooter elements?
Modifié par LostHH, 17 février 2012 - 02:08 .
watGnusmasTHX wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
OP, do us all a favor: shut up.
Who the *** asked you about it?
Sorry mate. After your last crap of a thread, you'll understand if I don't feel the need to answer to you. OP's a self-entitled waste of a "fan", much like yourself.
Bro,I don't care if you want to garble at every piece of *** you're thrown at.
but when you go around telling people to shut up for actually thinking critically for a moment and not consuming without stop, then you've got a problem.
Look it through.
I didn't know you two were related, your avatars look nothing alike.
Mendelevosa wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
Mendelevosa wrote...
Regardless of what you may think, creating video games is still a business. Although it's important for companies to satisfy their current consumers, it is also important that they attract new people as well if they want to make good money. You have to admit, there is good money to be made by appealing to other gamer crowds.
It's all good with that,
When you modify your games to especially provide for the "new" players and disregard the older ones...well that's where it goes down.
They added story mode and action to appeal to different crowds that may not be RPG fans, but at the same time, they added RPG mode to please those that still like Mass Effect's rpg mechanics. I don't think they are trying to shove the older consumers out of the picture.
teh_619 wrote...
Bro,I don't care if you want to garble at every piece of *** you're thrown at.
When you go around though, telling people to shut up for actually thinking critically for a moment and not consuming without stop, then you've got a problem.
Look it through.
Modifié par Il Divo, 17 février 2012 - 02:09 .
Il Divo wrote...
Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner, that doesn't make dramatic assumptions about how every other Bioware fan feels, how your genre is for "smart people", etc. Such threads exist with reasonable complaints. And I don't typically tell the Opening Posters to shut up in any of those cases. If you were able to see beyond your "BIOWARE IS DUMBED DOWN!!!" rage you would understand how this concept works. So kindly, pipe down.
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
Bro,I don't care if you want to garble at every piece of *** you're thrown at.
When you go around though, telling people to shut up for actually thinking critically for a moment and not consuming without stop, then you've got a problem.
Look it through.
Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner, that doesn't make dramatic assumptions about how every other Bioware fan feels, how your genre is for "smart people". Such threads exist with reasonable complaints. And I don't typically tell the Opening Posters to shut up in any of those cases. If you were able to see beyond your "BIOWARE IS DUMBED DOWN!!!" rage you would understand how this concept works. So kindly, pipe down.
Modifié par teh_619, 17 février 2012 - 02:13 .
teh_619 wrote...
"Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner"
So "SHUT UP" is reasonable somehow?
I never made an assumption on how every Bioware fan feels, or how my genre (lol what?) is for smarter people.
Stop typing without thinking.
Modifié par Il Divo, 17 février 2012 - 02:14 .
Modifié par LostHH, 17 février 2012 - 02:17 .
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
"Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner"
So "SHUT UP" is reasonable somehow?
I never made an assumption on how every Bioware fan feels, or how my genre (lol what?) is for smarter people.
Stop typing without thinking.
"Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last
years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at
you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content
with this.
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks."
http://social.biowar...3/index/9304729
Look familiar? Like I said, shut your mouth.
Modifié par teh_619, 17 février 2012 - 02:17 .
teh_619 wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
"Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner"
So "SHUT UP" is reasonable somehow?
I never made an assumption on how every Bioware fan feels, or how my genre (lol what?) is for smarter people.
Stop typing without thinking.
"Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last
years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at
you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content
with this.
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks."
http://social.biowar...3/index/9304729
Look familiar? Like I said, shut your mouth.
"every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks."
If you're not an 1)old, 2)faithful and 3)disapointed fan, I expect an apology in my inbox for rustling my jimmies because you can't so much as read a simple sentence.
teh_619 wrote...
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
"Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner"
So "SHUT UP" is reasonable somehow?
I never made an assumption on how every Bioware fan feels, or how my genre (lol what?) is for smarter people.
Stop typing without thinking.
"Everyone's that satisfied with the level Bioware is, in these 2 last
years, should know that they're actually hurting them, and pointing at
you, older fans, you should be ashamed of yourselves for being content
with this.
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks."
http://social.biowar...3/index/9304729
Look familiar? Like I said, shut your mouth.
"every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks."
If you're not an 1)old, 2)faithful and 3)disapointed fan, I expect an apology in my inbox for rustling my jimmies because you can't so much as read a simple sentence.
Modifié par Il Divo, 17 février 2012 - 02:21 .
DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...
Because FPS market is much more profitable?
Case and point, COD.
Mendelevosa wrote...
Regardless of what you may think, creating video games is still a business. Although it's important for companies to satisfy their current consumers, it is also important that they attract new people as well if they want to make good money. The three different campaign modes pretty much reveals Bioware's marketing strategy. You have to admit, catering and appealing to multiple crowds is a brilliant strategy to earn profits.
BTW, Mass Effect was NEVER intended to be an solid RPG, but a RPG/TPS hybrid from the beginning.
egervari wrote...
I am honestly taken aback at the crappy
marketing job you guys have been doing. Just who is your target audience
exactly? Is it the long-term fan that has been buying your games since
the original Baldur's Gate, or is the fps gamers who just heard of
Bioware when you made Mass Effect 1, and then wined to you because it
wasn't like Halo? Who is it?
You had a promotion just recently,
where you are giving away Battlefield 3 with the purchase of Mass Effect
3. Now, I am not complaining about receiving a free game if I should
buy it on Origin this way... BUT, why on earth would you package
Battlefield 3?! This is not the kind of game you would give long-term
fans, as the people who have probably stuck with you all these years are
likely not huge fans of FPS's... but rather, are fans of RPGs.
I wouldn't post this if Dragon Age 2 wasn't such a disaster. I had a lot to say about that train wreck:
http://www.gamefaqs....s/review-145859
But
after playing the demo, I am not comforted that you remember us
Bioware. You seem to take your studies of people quitting Dragon
Age: Origins too far, and make games for the people who should have
never bought them in the first place, and thus watering down/destroying
your original IPs and making worse games for the players that have been
with you the entire time... just so you can appease the less
sophisticated, younger, and less patient audience. Well, the long-term
fans hated Dragon Age 2, and you didn't really bring on any new fans
with Dragon Age 2 either. So what's going on? Why not just make really
good games for a large audience then mediocre games that don't serve any
audience, new or old, as big as that target group might be?
If
you want to make shooters and dumbed-down games - fine. Go ahead, make a
new IP, and cater to those folks. Make it clear that you're NOT making a
game for us, but for a new target audience.
But one thing you
shouldn't do is fundamentally change what your franchises are all about
just to cater to a new audience, because you're just going to ****** your
core, existing audience off. First, Mass Effect was an RPG (a lite one
at that) with some hybrid shooting elements... but now it plays like a
brain-dead shooter. Heck, in the demo, you don't need to use powers or
anything. It's not required as you can just run and gun everything, even
with the biotic classes.
Even further, the dialog in the demo
reminds me of the kind of crap that gets put into movies like
Transformers. Why has it degenerated into such garbage?
So who is
your target market? The people that grew up with your rich, deep RPGs,
or the xbox fps gamers who don't give a rat's ass about story, character
development and character progression? Who is it Bioware?
I am
highly skeptical about Mass Effect 3. This is the last straw for me.
I realize that maybe this new target market of yours is a lot larger
than the market that made you what you are today... but it's a pretty
awful thing to turn your back on us.
Sincerely,
A long-term, but unhappy customer
Carnage752 wrote...
OMG BIOWAREZ NO MURKETZ TO MYZ SPEZIFC DEWANDZ NO RPGZ ANYMO COD COWD NOAW PRE CANCEL ORDERED!!!!
Yup, as if I havn't seen this thread before. TWENTY GODDAMN TIMES! NO ONE GIVES A **** BRO!
Modifié par EJ107, 17 février 2012 - 02:49 .
Il Divo wrote...
teh_619 wrote...
Bro,I don't care if you want to garble at every piece of *** you're thrown at.
When you go around though, telling people to shut up for actually thinking critically for a moment and not consuming without stop, then you've got a problem.
Look it through.
Your right to express your opinion begins and ends when you're voicing your complaints in a reasonable manner, that doesn't make dramatic assumptions about how every other Bioware fan feels, how your genre is for "smart people", etc. Such threads exist with reasonable complaints. And I don't typically tell the Opening Posters to shut up in any of those cases. If you were able to see beyond your "BIOWARE IS DUMBED DOWN!!!" rage you would understand how this concept works. So kindly, pipe down.
RSX Titan wrote...
egervari wrote...
FemaleMageFan wrote...
DO you realize that by bioware doing this they making more people interested in rpgs and giving the genre more attention?? oh wait let me guess bioware makes games specifically for you and only you. OP with all do respect if i could get more exposure in producing a product i would definitely go for it. It's good for the genre and good for business too. Wait...what i'm i doing? Trying to speak sense on the BSN? impossibru.....let me join the hoard. I do not like femshep's finger nails!!!!!
I try not to bother responding to posts like this. You're not the first. If you track all of the pages, I've avoided all the sarcastic, childish, etc. comments and I only responded to the sincere and serious ones.
Having said that, you can't be all things to all people. When you take away from one aspect of the game to draw another audience in, it's going to weaken the draw that the original audience once had. Do this enough, and you water down the game for both audiences, making something that people may accept or enjoy, but will never consider the best possible version of the game - one side will want it more one way than the other, so it comes off as oddly mediocre. It is very hard to blend two genres together so that completely opposite gamers will love the game as much as they would have loved it if it was directly suited for them.
Essentially, these are trade-offs that the game designers have to make. It is not necessarily no-brainer decisions here, because you don't always get the best of both worlds. Adding one mechanic often destroys or minimizes another. So if the goal is to include a wider audience to increase sales, the devs have to ask one simple question: At what cost?
They tried to do this with Dragon Age 2, as I explained many times (please, just re-read my posts on this for more detail). It failed. That's it in a nutshell.
That doesn't mean the same fate is set in stone for ME3, but I have never seen the marketing and pandering done so badly as it has been done for ME3.
Honestly, I think it is very hard to make a 30-40 hour RPG with a deep, thoughtful story and setting to be appealing to gamers who want more condensed, action-oriented gameplay. Sure, they add "missions" into the game, which makes it more accessible to the FPS players... they like that gameplay split into smaller chunks... but it destroys the more cohesive, non-linear and patient gameplay the original fans liked. You can't have your cake and it eat too.
That is the whole point of what I'm talking about.
The real issue here is that the game has not been designed for your narrow view of what a Bioware title should be.
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