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[agonis]

The PLC wrote...

I had no problems with the animations of the characters.
I had no problems with the intro. It made sense. 
I had no problems with the graphics. The game was better looking than ME2, and that is all that counts. 
I had no problems with the writing. But then again, I'm not a super successful writer like most users on here are. So maybe that's why.
I had no problems with the controls. If I want to roll, Shepard rolls. If I want to enter cover, Shepard enters cover. 
I had no problems with the dialogue choices. The intro of ME2 didn't have that many either.
I had no problems with Shepard talking to someone the player doesn't know yet (Vega). It has happened before.
I had no problems with the MP. Never disconnected, and no lag. 

I really liked the demo. Thank you for sharing it with us Bioware 

edit: If you don't like/hate the demo, feel free to leave instead of trying to make everyone else think so too. This thread is for ME3-happy people.

Brofist!

[Arbiter156]

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

gethspy wrote...

I wouldn't say its perfect, but some of the criticisms seem to get blown way out of proportion,

I haven't seen so much hate for one game pre-launch outside of MW3

I know I say that ME3 is the best game ever a lot (which it is), but that said, no it's not perfect. Nothing is.

Arkham City is. It did everything that Asylum did, only better. That is what you call a perfect sequel.

"he who searches for perfection is the one person who also knows that perfection does not and cannot exist"

Modifié par Arbiter156, 17 février 2012 - 11:25 .

[AlphaJarmel]

daftPirate wrote...

While I think these issues could have been just as duly noted in a feedback thread, I see what you mean. It's just kinda sad when no thread can be made that doesn't degenerate into a debate(where no debate is needed). Starting a thread on a well-meaning note, only for someone to tell you you have low standards leads to just that. On the other hand, jumping in to say "This probably belongs in a feedback thread" isn't abrasive, or offensive to anyone.

Also, for whatever reason, my quote appears twice in your post...

I edited my post, must have been something with the quoting system.  Anyway I hate people being dismissive of other people's concerns.  I do it myself on occassion but I try not to.  When people have concern issues, that usually means they care to a certain extent and just creating a thread to say that you didn't listen to their concerns just struck me the wrong way.  Alot of the stuff such as the texture work doesn't bother me but that doesn't mean that I'm not aware that this is an issue for other people and that it could be better.

[Sapienti]

AlphaJarmel wrote...


His title states everything is great.  Normally this might go under strawman but that title is pretty clear.

Hyperbole. His title doesn't say that he played this game on PS3 opening the door for your complaining against condoning bad frame rates on the PS3. That's reaching. Next time it would be better for you to state what it is you're speaking out against rather than simply going "Hur dur low standards" *sits back and taps F5* "ho ha, more flame bait, accept it".

It just makes any argument you have after the fact seem less than, you know?

[Arbiter156]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

While I think these issues could have been just as duly noted in a feedback thread, I see what you mean. It's just kinda sad when no thread can be made that doesn't degenerate into a debate(where no debate is needed). Starting a thread on a well-meaning note, only for someone to tell you you have low standards leads to just that. On the other hand, jumping in to say "This probably belongs in a feedback thread" isn't abrasive, or offensive to anyone.

Also, for whatever reason, my quote appears twice in your post...

I edited my post, must have been something with the quoting system.  Anyway I hate people being dismissive of other people's concerns.  I do it myself on occassion but I try not to.  When people have concern issues, that usually means they care to a certain extent and just creating a thread to say that you didn't listen to their concerns just struck me the wrong way.  Alot of the stuff such as the texture work doesn't bother me but that doesn't mean that I'm not aware that this is an issue for other people and that it could be better.

^this

[BatmanPWNS]

Well, at least thats one person.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

PLC i agree with ur op. The game is really good except the amounts of whiners present on this forum . Ill drink to you in the nearest occasion.

[teh_619]

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

[AlphaJarmel]

Sapienti wrote...

Hyperbole. His title doesn't say that he played this game on PS3 opening the door for your complaining against condoning bad frame rates on the PS3. That's reaching. Next time it would be better for you to state what it is you're speaking out against rather than simply going "Hur dur low standards" *sits back and taps F5* "ho ha, more flame bait, accept it".

It just makes any argument you have after the fact seem less than, you know?

Again this whole thread seems dismissive of other people's opinions when you just say that you don't see anything wrong with something.  Noting particular things is fine but when you create a thread just to say that you don't see anything wrong with something is to an extent dismissing those concerns.  I didn't bother to clarify what I meant by low standards because it would seem to be redundant at this point.  If anybody has been following this forum for the last week then they already know most of the concerns/issues people have.

[Arbiter156]

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

and people like you are never satisfied with anything because you will always find X feature and instantly cite it as "biowares fall from grace" or "poorly done/awfull"

[teh_619]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Sapienti wrote...

Hyperbole. His title doesn't say that he played this game on PS3 opening the door for your complaining against condoning bad frame rates on the PS3. That's reaching. Next time it would be better for you to state what it is you're speaking out against rather than simply going "Hur dur low standards" *sits back and taps F5* "ho ha, more flame bait, accept it".

It just makes any argument you have after the fact seem less than, you know?

Again this whole thread seems dismissive of other people's opinions when you just say that you don't see anything wrong with something.  Noting particular things is fine but when you create a thread just to say that you don't see anything wrong with something is to an extent dismissing those concerns.  I didn't bother to clarify what I meant by low standards because it would seem to be redundant at this point.  If anybody has been following this forum for the last week then they already know most of the concerns/issues people have.

It doesn't really matter what the TC says or thinks, nobody cares about him personally.

The thing is though that many share his opinion.

And that's what worries me.

[teh_619]

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

and people like you are never satisfied with anything because you will always find X feature and instantly cite it as "biowares fall from grace" or "poorly done/awfull"

"and people like you are never satisfied with anything"
What should I be satisfied about?

[Sapienti]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

For discussion. This is a discussion thread, after all. Nothing gets achieved if everyone agrees with each other. That's why democracy is such a great thing. It's about compromise.


I can't speak for anyone else, but if I were to start a thread expressing a legitimate complaint only to be shot down by dozens of pages of people going "not this again!" and "trooooolllllll", then I would be quite nonplussed, to say the least.

Also, I would say that there are people like you say on both sides of the argument. I agree that a legitimate complaint, backed up by good reasoning, is maybe 1 in 50, but that doesn't diminish the value of the complaint. And when the Bioware supporters are busy defending against accusations of every nature, it can probably be a knee-jerk reaction to something that Bioware honestly needs to hear about to make better games in the future.

If someone expects their complaint to make its way up to the Bioware staff they should try and structure it professionally. What tends to happen far too much on forums related to videogames (and comics, and TV shows) is a few people express dislike on something and then bandwagoners, nit pickers, and those with chips on shoulder all hop aboard to reiterate a particular point. It also commonly happens with praise, people just going with the flow and hyping up things (the hype train) however its more common with the hate parade. 

People love to be salty and complain and after a while it becomes really hard to differentiate legitimate complaints vs crap. That's why you'll often see devs asking for particular things people didn't like, so that they know the person actually sat and thought to themselves why they felt a certain way and that they also can look at it from that perspective and see if there's anything they can do to alleviate the issue. 

But its rare. Just because 50 people all complain voally doesn't mean something is bad, and just because 50 people all shout praise from the roof tops doesn't mean something is good. What anyone should pay attention to are reasons why. If you were to start a thread and then get bombarded with people spamming "troll" I'd be firing back. For starters, if you form a good argument and come off sincere the only people who'd be calling you a troll are likely so stupid they don't deserve a reply in the first place. 

[agonis]

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

People like him and me will have the time of our life playing a game you allready condamned. Well,... it´s your opinion, feel free to criticize whatever you want.

[Arbiter156]

teh_619 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

and people like you are never satisfied with anything because you will always find X feature and instantly cite it as "biowares fall from grace" or "poorly done/awfull"

"and people like you are never satisfied with anything"
What should I be satisfied about?

youve just proven my point, well done

[teh_619]

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

and people like you are never satisfied with anything because you will always find X feature and instantly cite it as "biowares fall from grace" or "poorly done/awfull"

"and people like you are never satisfied with anything"
What should I be satisfied about?

youve just proven my point, well done

You disappoint me.

[teh_619]

agonis wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

People like him and me will have the time of our life playing a game you allready condamned. Well,... it´s your opinion, feel free to criticize whatever you want.

I don't know who's the one who should feel bad about that.

[CowHoofOnAHotPlate]

PLC you're an intelligent guy.

Modifié par CowHoofOnAHotPlate, 17 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[daftPirate]

Arbiter156 wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

While I think these issues could have been just as duly noted in a feedback thread, I see what you mean. It's just kinda sad when no thread can be made that doesn't degenerate into a debate(where no debate is needed). Starting a thread on a well-meaning note, only for someone to tell you you have low standards leads to just that. On the other hand, jumping in to say "This probably belongs in a feedback thread" isn't abrasive, or offensive to anyone.

Also, for whatever reason, my quote appears twice in your post...

I edited my post, must have been something with the quoting system.  Anyway I hate people being dismissive of other people's concerns.  I do it myself on occassion but I try not to.  When people have concern issues, that usually means they care to a certain extent and just creating a thread to say that you didn't listen to their concerns just struck me the wrong way.  Alot of the stuff such as the texture work doesn't bother me but that doesn't mean that I'm not aware that this is an issue for other people and that it could be better.

^this

Aye, this I can easily agree with. I can see why the PLC's OP could be seen as dismissing concerns, but while I can't speak for his intentions, I can speak for mine. I do not mean to say that other people's concerns are unimportant, or invalid. My purpose in posting was just to tell BioWare that from where I stand, they've made another entertaining installment of the ME franchise.

I hope, in fact, as much as many other posters that these issues are resolved for them! Heck, I would be quite pleased if graphics quality was upped by release, or if they implemented holstering weapons, different anims, or Shepard's Trial! I don't approve of people attacking the game, but it hardly matters, because as you said, games are held to a standard and every one is critiqued at every turn. It would be silly to make a game and not expect it, and I'm sure BioWare expects. I just think they shouldn't have to endure it(attacks mind you, not negative feedback). I also don't approve of the people attacking those who complain/criticize. Criticism can and does lead to growth/improvement, and trying to shut it down is like hurting your own chances of improving a loved universe. I pretty much just wish people were a bit more level headed about things. Part of why I liked the PLC's post. It wasn't "ME3 is great and you haters can suck it!" it was "Thanks BioWare". There are(I think) complaints that are framed just as calmly, but it seems there's always someone there to jump down someone elses throat.

[Sapienti]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Again this whole thread seems dismissive of other people's opinions when you just say that you don't see anything wrong with something.  Noting particular things is fine but when you create a thread just to say that you don't see anything wrong with something is to an extent dismissing those concerns.  I didn't bother to clarify what I meant by low standards because it would seem to be redundant at this point.  If anybody has been following this forum for the last week then they already know most of the concerns/issues people have.

I know a few of the concerns people have, but most of them seem to be nit picky (2D sprites, gun holstering, film grain) and others have been so far, very vague (writing). Then there were complaints that I actively dismiss that seem to be non issues (disconnecting from multiplayer, graphic lighting/textures, facial animations, frame rates) which are things I don't expect to be top notch in a demo and wont worry about until I find them in the final product which is highly unlikely. Lastly there are opinionated things like animations, gunplay, soundeffects and what not that I may or may not find issue with. Simply because a lot of people are vocal about something does not mean there should be particular weight behind all they say. Someone posting a thread saying they found no problems doesn't inherently imply that they're dismissing the complaints of others, could just mean that they really don't see anything wrong in their personal opinion, which seems to be the case here. The guy stresses that its his opinion and I don't see it as dismissive. 

[Arbiter156]

teh_619 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Arbiter156 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

People like you are one of the main reasons ME3 turned out to be the disgusting excuse for a game it is.

I hope you're happy.

and people like you are never satisfied with anything because you will always find X feature and instantly cite it as "biowares fall from grace" or "poorly done/awfull"

"and people like you are never satisfied with anything"
What should I be satisfied about?

youve just proven my point, well done

You disappoint me.

if you cannot accept that people are actually pleased with ME3 (me the OP and many others) then you are beyond all form of reason. perhaps if you write me a dissertation on why you think "ME3 is a distgusting excuse of a game" then i can see what you complaining about but just making sweeping statements will earn you 0 respect from me.

[teh_619]

CowHoofOnAHotPlate wrote...

PLC delete this stupid thread.

Well I couldn't say it any better.

[Arbiter156]

The PLC wrote...

CowHoofOnAHotPlate wrote...

PLC delete this stupid thread.

First you call me a punk. Then you say that this thread is nothing but troll bait. And now you're ordering me to delete the thread? You've got some serious issues..

just ignore him