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[GnusmasTHX]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
What. I'm not addressing you, I'm adressing the OP. Frostbite and ME Engine are not the same. Even the ME engine so far removed from UE3 that to call it UE3 is a blatant misnomer.

Pretty much 9/10 posts over the past two days have been pure sarcasm, even when not directly aimed at me, now onto your point.

Not once did I mention the UE3 engine, I had said that since the game is so far removed from what it once was they could infact use a modified frostbite engine and end up with the same result. The fact that Mass Effect 2 runs on 3's modified engine just proves the point that removal of an animation isn't justified.

Cool story. 

Please don't quote people if you don't know how to use them. I addressed the TC's notion of copying and pasting resources from Frostbite to ME's engine, and you quoted me, then claimed that they were the same series and the same engine.

[Freakiq]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

It's a pre-build of the final product. I find it funny how someone can judge the final product when it hasn't been released. It's like you, and a whole bunch of people sat in front of a TV screen for hours just waiting to point out flaws so you can go on the forums and go ****! THERE THE GAME SUCKS I FOUND IT! EMPIRICAL PROOF. I don't get the logic in judging something that hasn't come out based on the pre build.

And that's why you shouldn't pre-order.

Because you can't know if it's good from just the Demo.

[Blarty]

Look..... above us..... Battlefield 3 is coming with it's intros and switch screens that embibe me with epilepsy!!!! Hussah!

Modifié par Blarty, 17 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[Sgt Stryker]

Hmm, after following the Twitter thread, I wouldn't be so quick to accuse their developers of laziness. Quite the opposite, I'm sure they ran themselves ragged with the amount of work they put in. More likely I would lay the blame on improper allocation of resources (time, manpower, money, or all of these), or they just had their priorities in other places.

[1Nosphorus1]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

It's a pre-build of the final product. I find it funny how someone can judge the final product when it hasn't been released. It's like you, and a whole bunch of people sat in front of a TV screen for hours just waiting to point out flaws so you can go on the forums and go ****! THERE THE GAME SUCKS I FOUND IT! EMPIRICAL PROOF. I don't get the logic in judging something that hasn't come out based on the pre build.

The demo is a demonstration of the final product, it's the teaser to get you to buy the game, similar to a trailer for a movie or like any piece of advertising designed to get you to think "I'm going to spend money on this".

Is there no grounds for us to complain about how jarring the introduction was in the final part of the trilogy? Yes there is, because that's how the game starts and it's been confirmed by the lead writer and Chris.

Is there any reason to complain about missing animations from the demo? Yes because they've been removed from the final game.

Please read the rest of the thread before you make a sweeping comment.

[Mendelevosa]

Capeo wrote...
BW simply doesn't know how, or doesn't have the time, to optimize the memory use of their software.

Probably this.

[1Nosphorus1]

GnusmasTHX wrote...Cool story. 

Please don't quote people if you don't know how to use them. I addressed the TC's notion of copying and pasting resources from Frostbite to ME's engine, and you quoted me, then claimed that they were the same series and the same engine.

The fact that you're using an internet meme leaves me with a profound impression of adolescence. Anyway I think I know my way around these forums easily having been a member here for quite sometime, so please point out the part where I've stated that they're the exact same engine, and I'll prove your reading capabilities are incapable.

Edit: Also please read the whole post, because they're likely to be edited, akin to yours.

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 17 février 2012 - 01:51 .

[GnusmasTHX]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

TC is right. You can, in fact, just copy and paste things from games. It's so easy.

Can you make a post that doesn't contain sarcasm? Each one is starting to damage my brain.

Anyway, same engine, same series, what's the problem? TC doesn't obviously mean a literal copy and paste job but a step backwards in the quality of animations and heck, even a loss of certain ones will indeed ruin immersion for many players.

There are plenty of games that have even copied game mechanics from one another, how hard is it to optimise the memory of the game when so many others outshine them in that department?

Good thing I can't read.

[1Nosphorus1]

GnusmasTHX wrote...Good thing I can't read.

Mass Effect 2 was developed for the PS3 using the Mass Effect 3 engine, good job you can't read afterall.

[exskeeny]

 For God's sake

on the front page, at the time of writing this, there are 3 topics on this very subject. one of which is your own OP:

obviousattentionseekerisobvious

Modifié par exskeeny, 17 février 2012 - 01:54 .

[GnusmasTHX]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...Good thing I can't read.

Mass Effect 2 was developed for the PS3 using the Mass Effect 3 engine, good job you can't read afterall.

You can't read either, or are terrible at using quotes appropriately. I wasn't talking about that when you first quoted me, I was talking about Frostbite to ME3. Like I've already said. If I wanted to talk about whatever you're talking about, maybe I would've quoted you, but I didn't. I think it was safe to assume I was addressing the topic and OP.

Seems like you're being intentionally dense. You need a train set. You far too confrontational for someone who is wrong.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 17 février 2012 - 01:58 .

[DaJe]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

OR they chose to focus on other aspects of development. Like story, RPG elements, and Combat.

Just a thought.

I wouldn't call Bioware lazy at all. They create huge games compared to the most other developers. Game development is brutal and brings people to their limits.
It still doesn't explain why some things have been changed to the worse. I agree with the OP that the animations from ME1 needed absolutely no "fixing", the running and walking animations in particular.
The question should be why wasting work on something that turns out worse than before?

[Uezurii]

exskeeny wrote...

 For God's sake

on the front page, at the time of writing this, there are 3 topics on this very subject. one of which is your own OP:

obviousattentionseekerisobvious

Further proves my point that the "hundreds" of hate threads on here are mostly done by the same few users. Well done people.

[1Nosphorus1]

GnusmasTHX wrote....Seems like you're being intentionally dense. You need a train set. You far too confrontational for someone who is wrong.

What the hell am I reading? You made an open post to the topic full of pretentiousnes, so because of your sarcastic responses I responded to you, and since then you have been responding to me because I'm the only one that's been talking to you/

Are you trying to dodge the questions on purpose or are you that ignorant? Despite the overwhelming evidence I haven't been wrong in this topic so please stop being so condescending when you're clearly having issues understanding basic conversation.

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 17 février 2012 - 02:06 .

[aksoileau]

Mettyx you are a giant whiner. You know how I know? You created another thread about animations that is still being used... But Nooooo you have to create another one to say almost the exact same thing. Seriously get a grip man.

[GnusmasTHX]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote....Seems like you're being intentionally dense. You need a train set. You far too confrontational for someone who is wrong.

What the hell am I reading? You were first quoting the OP, so because of your sarcastic responses I responded to you, and since then you have been responding to me because I'm the only one that's been talking to you.

Are you trying to dodge the questions on purpose or are you that ignorant? Despite the overwhelming evidence I haven't been wrong in this topic so please stop being so condescending when you're clearly having issues understanding basic conversation.

K, and I am. Let's go through this again, because I'm genuinely confused now.

I originally quoted no one, and addressed the OP (Original Post, but you didn't need me to spell that out for you, you'd know from my use of OP and TC that "OP" meant post, not poster) saying, "No TC, you can't just copy and paste aspects of Frostbite Engine into the ME Engine," in essence, at least.

Afterwards, you quoted me saying the following:

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Anyway, same engine, same series, what's the problem? TC doesn't obviously mean a literal copy and paste job but a step backwards in the quality of animations and heck, even a loss of certain ones will indeed ruin immersion for many players.

There are plenty of games that have even copied game mechanics from one another, how hard is it to optimise the memory of the game when so many others outshine them in that department?

 

Yet ME3 and BF3 are not in the same series, and do not utilize the same engine.

I think I'm just stupid. I'll go play with my train set now. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 17 février 2012 - 02:18 .

[Darth Malice113]

aksoileau wrote...

Mettyx you are a giant whiner. You know how I know? You created another thread about animations that is still being used... But Nooooo you have to create another one to say almost the exact same thing. Seriously get a grip man.

Yeah it's spam. How many threads discussing the same thing does one need?

[Machazareel]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...Cool story. 

Please don't quote people if you don't know how to use them. I addressed the TC's notion of copying and pasting resources from Frostbite to ME's engine, and you quoted me, then claimed that they were the same series and the same engine.

The fact that you're using an internet meme leaves me with a profound impression of adolescence. Anyway I think I know my way around these forums easily having been a member here for quite sometime, so please point out the part where I've stated that they're the exact same engine, and I'll prove your reading capabilities are incapable.

Edit: Also please read the whole post, because they're likely to be edited, akin to yours.

The fact that you think the use of an internet meme is in any way indicative of a persons age, maturity or mental state says more about you than the poster.

[1Nosphorus1]

GnusmasTHX wrote...Yet ME3 and BF3 are not in the same series, and do not utilize the same engine.

I think I'm just stupid. I'll go play with my train set now. Sorry to have wasted your time.

Yes you were genuinly confused, I changed my post to make more sense since It wasn't a quote to the OP but as I had stated in my edited post.

If you had followed the flow of the conversation people had said why was that animation removed, my remark to same engine same series is directed at ME2/3, not Frostbite.

Machazareel wrote..
The fact that you think the use of an internet meme is in any way indicative of a persons age, maturity or mental state says more about you than the poster.

 

So you think that posting non sequiturs and replying with "Cool story bro" is a mature response to a debate? Get a grip and leave the personal attacks alone.

Modifié par 1Nosphorus1, 17 février 2012 - 02:22 .

[ODST 3]

OMG the animations aren't exactly as I imagined them! I'm going to pretend I'm not buying the game so Bioware will magically fix them between now and release!

[VLJ]

http://t0.gstatic.co...GMKDgUVc6Ox1DkL

Honestly, there are other more important things to care about...

[Valkyre4]

ODST 3 wrote...

OMG the animations aren't exactly as I imagined them! I'm going to pretend I'm not buying the game so Bioware will magically fix them between now and release!

Oh my God I am talking to myself, because it's the cool thing to do!

[GnusmasTHX]

VLJ wrote...

http://t0.gstatic.co...GMKDgUVc6Ox1DkL

Honestly, there are other more important things to care about...

Yes, did you hear banshees have huge vaginas and people masturbate to it? There's a thread about it.

[aMytallica]

I don't see what the uproar is all about with the animations. But either way, whatever peoples opinions or criticisms are of ME3 from the tiny bit that we have seen, I think it is safe to say that BioWare know a tad more about making games and what types of limitations they were faced with, then any one else. Why do people automatically jump to the conclusion that they must be lazy? Not that there was actual restrictions or the fact that because so many extra features were added (some as a direct result of fan requests) meant that something relatively minor like holster in combat zones wasn't added?
That's just my opinion anyway.

[Machazareel]

1Nosphorus1 wrote...

Machazareel wrote..
The fact that you think the use of an internet meme is in any way indicative of a persons age, maturity or mental state says more about you than the poster.

 

So you think that posting non sequiturs and replying with "Cool story bro" is a mature response to a debate? Get a grip and leave the personal attacks alone.

What you said yourself was a personal attack, and I pointed out that saying such should be reason for some reflection. You not being able to see this without me pointing it out again proves my point. If you're going to critique someone else's use of supposed immature posting habits, it would be best to avoid being equally immature yourself.