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[salbine]

purplesunset wrote...
In other words, Bioware's fans LOVE the fact that the game has such a strong narrative element even though it means that you have no real freedom to roleplay, and there is lots and lots of expository dialogue that some might find boring.

This. If you were looking for a roleplaying game, this isn't it (sorry, making a few choices and selecting dialogue options doesn't make DA:O a roleplaying game. It doesn't have enough freedom to roleplay). DA:O is a cinematic game that tells a strong story. At times it does feel like there's more exposition than gameplay, and it's unfortunate that it very much feels that way at the beginning, since it'll turn some people off. The proportion of dialogue/cinematics vs. gameplay does get better later on, though you still won't have any freedom to roleplay. Those saying that if you don't like DA:O, you must not like RPGs, don't seem to understand roleplaying. DA:O is a good game, but it's not much of a roleplaying game, which is fine. It's great for what it is--a tactical, cinematic adventure.

[Vergil_dgk]

I agree that there is too much dialogue. Don't get me wrong; much of it is very good but less is more sometimes. In addition, I occasionally feel that there could have been a better mix between dialogue and action in some places..

[purplesunset]

salbine wrote...

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You explained that a lot more eloquently than I.  :thumbs up:

 I especially dig the phrase "tactical, cinematic adventure."

[ZeroMystic]

Those saying that if you don't like DA:O, you must not like RPGs, don't seem to understand roleplaying. DA:O is a good game, but it's not much of a roleplaying game, which is fine. It's great for what it is--a tactical, cinematic adventure.

That is exactly what i have been saying, this is nothing more than a choose your own adventure interactive DVD just like D&D Scourge of Worlds.

If anyone wants to play an actual 3rd person single player party based story driven RPG, then go play Summoner.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:15 .

[purplesunset]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Those saying that if you don't like DA:O, you must not like RPGs, don't seem to understand roleplaying. DA:O is a good game, but it's not much of a roleplaying game, which is fine. It's great for what it is--a tactical, cinematic adventure.

That is exactly what i have been saying, this is nothing more than a choose your own adventure interactive DVD just like D&D Scourge of Worlds.

If anyone wants to play an actual 3rd person single player party based story driven RPG, then go play Summoner.

But it's about preferences, ZeroMystic. That's the point that I and salbine are trying to make. Many people prefer  and love Bioware's brand of roleplaying, and so let them be.   Don't tell them to go play Summoner, as I imagine that this would turn off a lot of people.

You prefer apples, they prefer oranges. This is what makes the world go round  (Cue corny, lovey dovey music )

[ZeroMystic]

But it's about preferences, ZeroMystic.

I never said it wasnt' about preferences, do you people even read anything or just spout of random nonsese.



Let me recap something I already said, people liking/disliking the dialog in this gmae has nothing to do with their being to much in it.

Many people prefer and love Bioware's brand of roleplaying, and so let them be.

But what everyone fails to grasp is that there is no Roll playing in this at all and I am letting them be.

Don't tell them to go play Summoner, as I imagine that this would turn off a lot of people.

But that is exactly the point, people here don't know what a true 3rd person single player party based Story driven RPG game really is, because they only have DA:O to base this off of.



Sorry but unless anyone in here has played Summoner, they have a one sided 100% misinformed argument that is missing information that I have and know.



I have both sides of this, people in here only have one.



Sorry but I know way more about what I am talking about than almost everyone in this thread combined, and it's all due to the fact I have a wider scope of information to see things from.



If there is information in A, B and C, and people in here only have A, while I have A, B, and C,



I know something than people who only know about A couldn't not possible know.



Sorry but without the information from B and C, people cannot say anything because they only have a small fraction of the information, and peope think that is all they need, and it's too bad they cannot see what i know.

[Sideburnz Mcgee]

No way the story gets you so entwined you are constantly on the edge of your seat. The game is amazing congrats to bioware

[SheffSteel]

"Game A sucks because it is not like game B!"

"Dude WTF? Game A rocks!"

"You haven't played Game B so you have no clue!"



... does not strike me as a persuasive argument, sorry.

[addiction21]

SheffSteel wrote...

"Game A sucks because it is not like game B!"
"Dude WTF? Game A rocks!"
"You haven't played Game B so you have no clue!"

... does not strike me as a persuasive argument, sorry.

But you dont know everything and I do know everything.  So you are wrong.

[ZeroMystic]

Bottom line is that wihout having played Summoner, no one has any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG, and that is because they do not have anything to base their argument off of.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 25 novembre 2009 - 05:05 .

[addiction21]

ZeroMystic wrote...


Bottom line is that wihout having played Summoner, no one has any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG, and that is because they do not have anything to base their argument off of.

Whats the meaning of life? Where do we go when we die? Who created the first waffle? What are next weeks lotto number?

[smurfdude]

 I enjoy a good story, whether it be in book format or in an RPG or adventure game. I like to become immersed and get attached to the characters. If you are dozing off then you either have ADD or you bought the wrong game

[ZeroMystic]

So it looks like after I ask people to get more facts to back up their side of things and I proved they are basing their decision wihtout having all their information. All of a sudden now I'm a troll.

Interesting how it was perfectly fine when you people though you had a leg to stand on because you thought you had some grounds to base your side of the argument off of. But now that I have told all of you that you do not have all the facts and or information, and everyone knows it's impossible to make any form of desicion and be correct UNLESS you have all the facts and information so that decision can be based, you all realize I am right, have nothing left to say and now all of a sudden none of you can handle this.

So you have to resort to childish lets try to get the thread closed tactics because we cannot handle someone else tarnishing something we think is all high and mighty, and HOW DARE YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT IT.

I told people from the start THIS IS MY OPINION, and people went all bullistic and took up this defensive position and stating completely useless and utter nonsese, saying thing like you bought the wring game or this game isn't for you...and for what...because I said there was too much dialog in the game for my tastes. 

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 25 novembre 2009 - 05:33 .

[ZeroMystic]

the above reply made by Crawling Chaos proves exactly everything i just said

[SheffSteel]

Spoken like a true bullistics expert

[Dark83]

There's a THQ shill on the Bioware boards! Quick, get the tongs!

[Fluffykeith]

ZeroMystic wrote...


Bottom line is that wihout having played Summoner, no one has any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG, and that is because they do not have anything to base their argument off of.

Okay. Heres a constructive response.
Your saying that, if someone hasn't played Summoner, they don't have "any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG".
Um...so basicly you're saying that despite having played in, and GMed pen-and-paper RPGs for the last 15 years (including D&D, Werewolf, Vampire, Dark Heresy, Iron Kingdoms, Call of Cthulhu, Witchcraft, Artesia, WFRP to name a mere handful), and also having played a ton of Computer RPGs (all 3 Fallout games, Baldurs gate 1 & 2, Icewind Dale, KOTOR 1 and 2, Wizardry 8, Divine Divinity, Vampire:Bloodlines, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Neverwinter Nights 1 &2, to name a few),,,despite all that experience with Roleplaying games, I have no business discussing the merits of DA:O as an Computer RPG????? How on earth can you justify that statement? Seriously?

Heres another question. Theres clearly a large fanbase for Bioware's style of CRPG that LIKE the dialogue and the extra information it imparts (that you state is unneccesary), because they feel it makes the game richer and the gameplay experience more fun and in-depth. Bioware have included it in DA:O. Yet they have ALSO included the option to skip that dialogue with a simple button command, AND a conversation option that generally goes along the lines of "I'm done talking, lets get moving".
So my question is..whats the problem with that? Bioware have catered to both groups. So whats the big deal? You've already stated that you skip most of the dialogue, the fact that you CAN is because Bioware know that some players won't have patience for it.

Oh, and on Summoner (1 and 2). I notice that PC Gamer lists 4 Bioware style CRPGs in their "best of genre" list. No sign of Summoner. At all. That tells me something...

[Dark83]

What I've seen of Summoner indicates you can't even name your character. T/F?

[Houkka]

ZeroMystic, I like you. You're one of the people that make the world more interesting. I've been having a blast reading through this thread, since it's obvious no one's going to be convinced to absolutely anything in this thread, yet it just keeps dragging on and both sides keep making hilarious comments (intended and unintended). Actually, now that I think of it, this thread is a lot like DA:O (which I also like a lot): -500 hours of gameplay and a million+ hours of completely useless, pointless and unnecessary dialogue.

That said, the argument for The Summoner has got to be one of the best I've ever heard in my life: "You don't understand game A (DA:O) because you haven't played game B (The Summoner)." By this logic, I could destroy your whole argument by saying that nobody in this thread has a clue about anything and their view of these games is FALSE (which is the correct term to be used in matters of opinion) because they haven't read a short story I wrote when I was 11 years old and they haven't tasted my spinach-feta pie. 

One more, I've got to attend to this, since no one else has:

ZeroMystic wrote...

Whether people like the dialog or not, has nothing to do with there being too much of it.

Yes it does! It has everything to do with it! Whether there is too little or too much dialogue in the game is determined by absolutely nothing else but the players' reaction. There's no other way of measuring it.

Oh, by the way, since you know everything and no one else here knows everything, what is the flight speed of a swallow?

[addiction21]

Houkka wrote...

ZeroMystic, I like you. You're one of the people that make the world more interesting. I've been having a blast reading through this thread, since it's obvious no one's going to be convinced to absolutely anything in this thread, yet it just keeps dragging on and both sides keep making hilarious comments (intended and unintended). Actually, now that I think of it, this thread is a lot like DA:O (which I also like a lot): -500 hours of gameplay and a million+ hours of completely useless, pointless and unnecessary dialogue.

That said, the argument for The Summoner has got to be one of the best I've ever heard in my life: "You don't understand game A (DA:O) because you haven't played game B (The Summoner)." By this logic, I could destroy your whole argument by saying that nobody in this thread has a clue about anything and their view of these games is FALSE (which is the correct term to be used in matters of opinion) because they haven't read a short story I wrote when I was 11 years old and they haven't tasted my spinach-feta pie. 

One more, I've got to attend to this, since no one else has:

ZeroMystic wrote...

Whether people like the dialog or not, has nothing to do with there being too much of it.

Yes it does! It has everything to do with it! Whether there is too little or too much dialogue in the game is determined by absolutely nothing else but the players' reaction. There's no other way of measuring it.

Oh, by the way, since you know everything and no one else here knows everything, what is the flight speed of a swallow?

That spinch feta pie. Is it like a pizza pie? Because my aunt up north knew a place that made a pizza pie like that and it was AWESOME.
Oh and English or African?

[Alex Savchovsky]

One more, I've got to attend to this, since no one else has:

ZeroMystic wrote...

Whether people like the dialog or not, has nothing to do with there being too much of it.

Yes it does! It has everything to do with it! Whether there is too little or too much dialogue in the game is determined by absolutely nothing else but the players' reaction. There's no other way of measuring it.

Pardon me, but you're wrong on that. I already pointed it out.