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[Houkka]

Alex Savchovsky wrote...

One more, I've got to attend to this, since no one else has:

ZeroMystic wrote...

Whether people like the dialog or not, has nothing to do with there being too much of it.

Yes it does! It has everything to do with it! Whether there is too little or too much dialogue in the game is determined by absolutely nothing else but the players' reaction. There's no other way of measuring it.

Pardon me, but you're wrong on that. I already pointed it out.

You did? Care to copy+paste or at least point me in the right direction (link)?

[darkdruid117]

I only doze off when it is 11 at night and I spent all day at work, came home and did house work, paid a few bills, etc. This game is very refreshing and a welcome addition to my small library of x360 games. I was actually surprised the ME did not have much cinematics as most BioWare games have.

I highly recomend ME (Mass Effect). It sounds like it would be a great fit for you.

[onemangang]

The only time I every wanted to stop playing the game or doze off was when I was in Orzammar. DWFs, their setting, the way they look, and just basically anything DWF pisses me off. And their quests were some of the most boring ones.

[ZeroMystic]

Your saying that, if someone hasn't played Summoner, they don't have "any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG".

Yes I am because you along with mostly everyone else in here obviously don't know what type of game Summoner is apparently.

FYI: minus the fact that Summoner is more opened ended, 10 times bigger, has more freedom to do things in the game, and has 10 times less dialog but still has a mass amount of it, but the dialog in Summoner is balanced off with gameplay,

In short, DA:O is almost a carbon copy of Summoner, So yes since you or anyone else in here have not played that you have no concept on just exactly how identical DA:O is to Summoner

The major difference between me and the rest of the people here is that I have 2 things virtually identical to each other that I have played to base my knowledge off of, everyone in here only is using one. Until you play Summoner, you have no concept about why I am saying what I am about DA:O not being balanced off and having entirely way, way too much dialog in it.

As I said go play Summoner, and you will clearlly see exactly what I am talking about.

Um...so basicly you're saying that despite having played in, and GMed pen-and-paper RPGs for the last 15 years (including D&D, Werewolf, Vampire, Dark Heresy, Iron Kingdoms, Call of Cthulhu, Witchcraft, Artesia, WFRP to name a mere handful), and also having played a ton of Computer RPGs (all 3 Fallout games, Baldurs gate 1 & 2, Icewind Dale, KOTOR 1 and 2, Wizardry 8, Divine Divinity, Vampire:Bloodlines, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Neverwinter Nights 1 &2, to name a few),,,despite all that experience with Roleplaying games, I have no business discussing the merits of DA:O as an Computer RPG????? How on earth can you justify that statement? Seriously?

Yes I am saying you have no business saying that, and that is because none of those games are even remotely close to how this game is, so trying to use games that are not even the same type of play style doesn't mean anything. Summoner is different.

And to answer your question: It's simply justifiable like this, Pen and Paper are not Video games, Sure video games may have pen and paper aspects implimented into them but in the end they are simply just not the same, and attempting to try and use pen and paper to justify yourself is beyond ludicrous.

Let me bring you up to PAR on something.

Here are some major pen and paper games that have been turned into Video games:
Vampire
Hunter: The Reconing
Drakensang: The Dark Eye
Dungeons & Dragons

You cannot even remotely apply your pen and paper argument to any for these games either
One other thing I want to point out is that Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II have not only been turned into PC games but also as Original XBOX games as well. So are you going to say that the XBOX versions of Baldur's gate are not real RPGs just because they have been turned into hack and slash?

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[Fluffykeith]

Okay, first off...I have never said anywhere in this thread anything about ANY game not being a real RPG, whether or not they'd been turned into hack and slash or otherwise. So please dont try to put words into my mouth (or onto my keyboard or..you get the idea.)

Secondly, your were very clearly stating that any who hadn't played Summoner hasn't got "any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG". This to me seems to be saying "if you havent played Summoner, you don't know anything about RPGs". Which is bonkers.
Which is why I mentioned my experience with pen-and-paper RPGS, AND my experience with computer RPGs, simply to show that, actually I know a fair amount about RPGs in general, both as traditional pen+paper AND on computers. I would suggest therefore that should qualify as having a fairly solid understanding of how DA:O fits into the genre of Computer RPGs, and ALSO that I DO know a lot about RPGs in general. I'd say that the fact you clearly don't want to acknowledge this is whats ludicrous.

Let me bring YOU up on par with something. If you'd bothered to properly read my post, you'd realise that I listed some of those major pen and paper games that have been turned into Video games (you're words) as games that I'd played in BOTH formats. Fancy that, huh? I mean, I mention that I've played p+p Vampire, and the Vampire:Bloodlines computer game, for example. Its there in black and white. Seems odd you would ignore that.

And again, if Summoner is so much RPG Gold compared to DA:O, then why would Gamespot give it a mere 7.6 while they gave DA:O a score of 9.5. IGN gave Summoner 7.6 as well, while they gave DA:O 8.7. I can keep digging, if you like but the message from that is clear enough. Summoner is good, but its not the mutts nuts. So demanding that it can be the ONLY game with which to compare Dragon Age seems a little bit flawed to me.

And finally, I'll ask my question again. Since Dragon Age caters for both the players that like the exposition and dialogue AND for those that don't (by allowing a easy skip control AND a conversation option to end the chat), then what exactly is the problem? We get to have the dialogue because we like it and it enriches the game experience for us, you get to skip though it quickly or end the conversation as soon as you have the bare minimum info. So what is the issue?

[LocoEnElCoco]

Funny, 'cus for me it's the combat that bores me. The dialogue creates the story, the story creates the game. Combat in rpgs are.. like a task to get the reward in form of the story unfolding.

[GreenSoda]

Dialogue getting in the way of all the "action" ?

Funny, I thought it was the other way around. Took me half a week to finish the Deep Roads because I couldn't stand the non-stop fighting and dungeon-crawling. Bored me to tears.

I was glad DA kicked back into gear after the Forge. A good RPG needs lots of dialogue and decisions that matter. Fighting just serves as means for advancing to the next plot point.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:42 .

[boba1974]

ZeroMystic wrote...


Bottom line is that wihout having played Summoner, no one has any business rambing on about DA:O being an RPG or understanding what makes a true RPG, and that is because they do not have anything to base their argument off of.

Actually, i played Summoner and the atrocious Summoner 2. Summoner was an excellent game, but it doesn't hold a candle to Dragon Age as far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't even put Summoner in my top 20 rpgs of all time.

So, now what was it you were saying about us not playing Summoner and not having all the information, again?


Oh, and comparing Summoner to Dragon Age just makes you look ridiculous...they aren't even remotely similar. In fact, at this point you're just embarassing yourself with all of these ludicrous claims.

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[ZeroMystic]

Everyone's problem in here is that none of you have anything to compare DA:O to. You juts have DA:O and that's it and say yeah man this is an RPG....LOL..



Anyone that thinks that DA:O is an RPG, has a lot to learn about what an actual RPG really is.



Summoner shows you what a real RPG is and how it's put together.



As I said go play summoner and the light will dawn on you and click in to understand the difference between an actual Story Driven RPG, and this Choose your own adventure intereactive DVD that you seem to believe and are under the illusion



You need the information of actually playing and finishing Summoner to compare DA:O to.



Go actually finish Summoner, then come back here and try and say DA:O is an RPG.

[Majspuffen]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Everyone's problem in here is that
none of you have anything to compare DA:O to. You juts have DA:O and
that's it and say yeah man this is an RPG....LOL..

Anyone that thinks that DA:O is an RPG, has a lot to learn about what an actual RPG really is.

Summoner shows you what a real RPG is and how it's put together.

As
I said go play summoner and the light will dawn on you and click in to
understand the difference between an actual Story Driven RPG, and this
Choose your own adventure intereactive DVD that you seem to believe and
are under the illusion

You need the information of actually playing and finishing Summoner to compare DA:O to.

Go actually finish Summoner, then come back here and try and say DA:O is an RPG.

Knights of the old republic, mass effect. Those are two other very popular bioware games with equally much dialogue (give or take).



Gosh, don't play the game, don't post things like this and go play something else where all choices are already chosen for you. I for one wouldn't mind more dialogue!

Modifié par Majspuffen, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[ZeroMystic]

Actually, i played Summoner and the atrocious Summoner 2. Summoner was an excellent game, but it doesn't hold a candle to Dragon Age as far as I'm concerned,

I am not saying it does hold a candle to DA:O...that is not my argument or what I am even saying.



And the reason you don't think that Summoner doesn't hold a candle to DA:O is because Dragon Age Origins is not, never has been, and nor will it ever be an RPG.



Summoner on the other hand actually is, And for the record I never said Summoner was the greatest game, I used Summoner as an example because it's the only game that has a single player party based character system which you can freely control just like in DA:O.



Playing Summoner shows anyone and proves how much DA:O is not even close to being an actual RPG.



That is what I am saying.

[ZeroMystic]

Majspuffen

DAO: Is not an RPG, never has been, and nor will it ever be. People need to stop calling DA:O an RPG is all I am saying.

Modifié par ZeroMystic, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:57 .

[Drake Sigar]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Go actually finish Summoner, then come back here and try and say DA:O is an RPG.

I'm reading your posts, but all I see is Summoner. Summoner, Summoner, Summoner, Summoner, Summoner, Summoner, you've said it around 16 times in 3 posts, we get it. You like the friggin' Summoner. Don't come in here and act like you know more than us because you've played some game released in the year 2000, when this board is full of people who've been playing RPGs since the 80s jackhole.

Modifié par Drake Sigar, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:59 .

[GreenSoda]

ZeroMystic wrote...
DAO: Is not an RPG, never has been, and nor will it ever be. People need to stop calling DA:O an RPG is all I am saying.

You know, just because you decided that out of the blue doesn't make it so

[Fathnir]

Dragon Age Origins is not, never has been, and nor will it ever be an RPG.

Summoner on the other hand actually is, And for the record I never said Summoner was the greatest game, I used Summoner as an example because it's the only game that has a single player party based character system which you can freely control just like in DA:O.

Playing Summoner shows anyone and proves how much DA:O is not even close to being an actual RPG.

That is what I am saying.

...

A roleplaying game is a video game where the player literally plays the role of someone else in typically a fantasy setting. If Dragon Age: Origins isn't an RPG, then what is it? A chocolate muffin?

Then go and play Oblivion if you don't like Dragon Age . It's dull, braindead, and an utter waste of time- rather befitting for someone such as you, I think.

Modifié par Fathnir, 26 novembre 2009 - 12:05 .

[blitzzz]

Modifié par blitzzz, 26 novembre 2009 - 12:09 .

[Mork_ba]

Well, the only time I press escape is on dialogues I already know by heart... To be honest I like initiating dialogues with useless NPCs just to hear what they have to say... RPG games are about roles not killing, mate...



Diablo clones more action games with RPG elements than RPGs, at least imo... I love them too, but pure RPGs are more to my liking...

[GreenSoda]

blitzzz wrote...

i can't believe this troll got 9 sites of replies.

[Fluffykeith]

ZeroMystic wrote...

Everyone's problem in here is that none of you have anything to compare DA:O to. You juts have DA:O and that's it and say yeah man this is an RPG....LOL..

Actually, quite a few people on this thread, including me have listed a large number of other games in the computer RPG genre that they've played. I'll list some of them again in case you missed them. Quite a few of these are considered "classics" of computer based RPGs, and its these that so many people on this thread are comparing DA:O to.

Baldurs Gate 1 and 2.
Icewind Dale.
Fallout 1, 2 and 3.
Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2
Divine Divinity
KOTOR 1 and 2
Mass Effect

Theres other that have been mentioned as well.

Face it, we DO have something to compare DA:O to. We're comparing it to the major games in the genre that have come before it and that are well regarded as being either very good or great examples of computer RPGS. Which Summoner isn't.

You still haven't answered my question. Does it scare you that much?

[Thibbledorf26]

I noticed some dialogues went on too long, especially merchants who said two paragraphs of text everytime you wanted to look at their wares. I did skip a few dialogues that I had heard ten times already. I enjoy long dialogues as long as they are interesting, and having multiple dialogue choices is what I consider a key part of an RPG. I never skip key dialogue in cut-scenes, especially if it's my first time experiencing it.

And how is it possible that Summoner is the only RPG game ever made? You can't have a genre with just one game in it!

[Drake Sigar]

But what about Eye of the Beholder?

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
No.

Stonekeep?

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
No.

Betrayal at Kron-

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
No.

You rule.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
No... Aw damn! You got me good. 

[Unbroken Lineage]

RE Summoner

81/100

PC Gamer

A very competitive RPG, if not quite up to BioWare caliber. [July 2001, p.65]



/laff