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#101
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AlanC9 wrote...

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Again i made it that way, the argument was implied as an insult. 
Ofcourse since you quite frankly dont know it, it never happened right?


I sometimes have trouble telling deliberate insults from stupid arguments. Sorry for misinterpreting you.


No problem, though i might aswell take the argument out of obscurity.

The implication i was making is that, although you say that the date does not matter, it in itself makes the implication that the developers may, yes may be holding it back from the finished product, even if there is no evidence that is was supposed to be in the finished product, it does not desolve the problem in the eyes of a consumer.

If people just thought that things happened because thats the way they are, then the species would have died out a long time ago, there is although very cliche, no black or white shades in life, no matter how much people want it to be or perceive it to be.

The DLC is redundant in this, however the reason it exists has to be questioned furiously, otherwise what little there is left of morality in economics may fade completely.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 18 février 2012 - 07:31 .


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PLEASE READ FOLLOWING!!!

Last i heard EVERY single one of these DLC reports short of the collectors edition and the pre order bonus's were innacurate and/or unconfirmed read this article, http://www.xbox360ac...y-Bioware-.html
unless things have changed (which if they have please show me a link confirming this) Bioware themselves have stated this is all rumour and speculation.

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meh I think TheKillerAngel summed up my thoughts. I bought the Liara figurine because I wanted the figurine not because it had a DLC. I know it's pretty shocking that there's a market for art books and figures of a video game.

I love how some of you just assume BW had to create this DLC, from the wording of both the figures (4 in series and the Liara one) they essentially amount of packs bought from playing the MP. if you're buying the product for the sake of the DLC you're essentially paying to not play the game. The rifle though, I'll give you that argument considering it's seemingly found in the SP (i.e files are on the disc argument)

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This game is easily worth that price. You're getting an epic conclusion to Shepard's story, emotional depth and majestic storytelling. The fact that you're complaining about paying upwards of $800 to get the "full experience" is sickening. You should be orgasmic and grateful that BioWare even bothered to make a game for such a whiny fanbase.

The base game ought to cost this much, so stop ****ing.

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AlanC9 wrote...

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What changed was someone came up with microtransactions in the mid-2000's,  not the technology,  which had existed for a great many years.  


Pretty much true. When Bioware invented paid DLCs with NWN Premium Modules (or did they? I can't recall if they were really first) we were all still on dial-up.

It's not the DLC's value that's being judged,  it's your game's value.  With DLC floods akin to what you're doing here,  the perceived value of your video game itself drops.  Abuse the customer too much,  as you are now,  we will stop buying your products.

At that point,  none of your DLC will be sold,  because it is 100% valueless if we do not see the product you put on the shelf as having value.


I don't quite follow this. If people are really that sensitive about value, then how do DLCs sell in the first place?

It also means that consumers use a fairly irrational value-determining function when evaluating games. I don't think that's necessarily a problem with the theory, but I don't understand how these hypothetical consumers are thinking. I'm not in a very good place to evaluate this subjectively, since I've never found any DLC to be worth purchasing but I don't give a damn that the DLCs exist either.


I guess I explained myself badly.

A consumer looks at a video game and decides whether or not he wants to purchase it,  he determines if the potential entertainment he will get from purchasing it is of sufficient value for the money he spends.

No amount of DLC is going to encourage him to buy it,  no one looks at a game on a shelf and thinks "Nah,  there's no Day 1 DLC I can spend more money to get,  no sale".  The presense of DLC does not add value to the product for the consumer.

But what can,  and judging from the responses here and elsewhere,  do think "Nah,  that game has Day 1 DLC,  I'd be spending $60 for a partial game,  and then I have to spend more when I get home to get the rest".

Day 1 DLC doesn't add value,  but it does subtract it,  because it telegraphs to the consumer that they're not buying the full product but paying the price of the full game.

To put it another way,  if Bioware tried putting the game on the shelf at $90 or $100,  sales would be harmed.  But that's exactly what they're doing,  making people pay $80 at the register for the full game (Collector's Edition) and then nailing them for another $10 for Day 1 DLC to get the full game.

Long term,  the plan is going to do them irreperable harm.  Especially since some number of people are going to find out at the register or on first launch of the game that they're required to pay another $10 for the full game they thought they were already getting.

At some point,  some not insignificant number of consumers will see EA/Bioware products as having less value/dollar.  Entirely because the consumers will learn that they're not spending $60-$80 for the game,  they're going to be spending more.

Recent studies have shown,  the majority of console gamers buy used or borrow.  If people are already so concerned about spending $60 for the game,  increasing the cost to them isn't going to entice them,  it's going to drive them away.

DLC after Day 1 generally seems to be viewed as Expansion packs,  especially when presented like LotSB where it has no bearing on the full game.  Day 1 DLC,  OTOH,  is viewed as a portion of the full game because it's present as soon as the disc hits the drive.  Doesn't matter what the defense is,  average customers neither know about nor care about development cycles,  and TBH educated consumers know you don't get to $870 worth of Day 1 DLC without having been planning that.

The value of the game is the game and the cost to be able to play the full game.  The full game is whatever is present on the day of release.

Modifié par Gatt9, 18 février 2012 - 08:48 .


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andy69156915 wrote...

Wow, give EA credit, they know how to squeeze money out of people. I bet there's at least one rabid fan out there that actually bought everything.

If they did, it's their own damned fault. Anybody who wants to pay $870 just to get that Mass Effect bunion remover set that comes with the Mass Effect super-sexy speedo and the Mass Effect futuristic teflon cooking pan... *shakes head* Seriously, if you don't have a sense of reality and you can't resist buying what you can't afford even though it's stupid and you don't need it or want it, then that's nobody's fault but yours.

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Woah, i mean thats ridiculous, but interesting to see what dlc we'll be getting!

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Alex_SM wrote...

Bioware and EA nowadays are mostly the same.


This, people seem to forget that bioware is owned by EA, in full, it's not a partnership. At this point Bioware is no more than the RPG development wing of EA.

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I don't get why people want the cheat items so badly in a singleplayer game. It's not even tactfully integrated.

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Whats sad is if anyone bothered to read my above comment you would understand your all getting upset over nothing...

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XxXSarenXxX wrote...

Whats sad is if anyone bothered to read my above comment you would understand your all getting upset over nothing...


it doesn't matter if the list provided isn't 100% accurate or even if its totally false.
The fact remains that every day when i turn on my pc there is a new piece of dlc for ME3 which requires you to buy some figure, artbook, dr. pepper or what have you.

and by required i mean totally optional, but at this point its beyond enough.

#112
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Awww, come on. I just bought a Razer Onza and now they're telling me there will be a Mass Effect Edition? I has a sad ;_;

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I'm curious, can you actually get the code to UNLOCK the collector assault rifle in multiplayer from any one of those items or can you onlyly unlock it by buying the art book?

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thats all i was figuring like at least an easy $3k
its an honor to pay this small amount for a perfect end.

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Bioware is just trolling OCD people :D

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Money, I have invested in ME3, so far: 0$ or better said 0€.

Up to this date I haven't even considered to buy the game. At least not through preorder or day one. I give a crap about ME-merchandising, as well. I'm only interested in finishing my Shepard's story, that is about my amount of care for it. Period.

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And the most funniest thing is "mass effect 3 controller" when there is no controller support :3

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Stanley Woo wrote...

And of course, all of the extra content is completely optional.


What about arrival DLC that's pretty much a cannon? You put something that should have pretty much been somewhere in the ending of ME2 as a paid DLC.

How is that justified? I have nothing against DLC that prolongs the games life by adding new missions or content or whatnot but putting something vital to the story in a story driven "rpg" as a paid DLC is just low. Will I have to pay extra to find out how ME3 ended?

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Let's see, $870 times 3 equals rm2690 in my country's currency to get all the dlcs. Already pre-ordered the artbook and reserved the collector's edition and... oh wait, I don't have ethernet to go online for my old jasper 360. lol I haven't even redeem the ME2 codes till now :whistle:

I think people probably won't buy all of them. Maybe 1 or two that they like they most or in need of.

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people buy most of that stuff because they are fans of what ever they are buying and would of bought it anyway without the dlc it is just an added bonus.

I'm already getting the n7 edition,3 toys (Shepard,garrus and grunt) my squad and I need a new controller and was going to get one for me3 and was hoping for a me3 controller so yeah definite purchase.

People need to stop acting like they are paying hundreds of dollars for dlc with bonus added toy/controller/keyboard/whatever... but I bet there are people that are like that lol "can't wait to get that 50$ dlc...oh wait it came with this, I don't need it I'll regift."

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CrustyBot wrote...

This game is easily worth that price. You're getting an epic conclusion to Shepard's story, emotional depth and majestic storytelling. The fact that you're complaining about paying upwards of $800 to get the "full experience" is sickening. You should be orgasmic and grateful that BioWare even bothered to make a game for such a whiny fanbase.

The base game ought to cost this much, so stop ****ing.


2/10

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Merchandising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvmZ9SPcTzU

Modifié par Prometheus75, 18 février 2012 - 12:26 .


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Obro wrote...

And the most funniest thing is "mass effect 3 controller" when there is no controller support :3



As funny as the fact that it was made for xbox?

:P

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Wait, so I have to buy a new mouse to get the DLC?
It won't be available separately through legal means?

I seriously hope it's just weapons and armour in that case.

Modifié par Freakiq, 18 février 2012 - 12:36 .


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Obro wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

And of course, all of the extra content is completely optional.


What about arrival DLC that's pretty much a cannon? You put something that should have pretty much been somewhere in the ending of ME2 as a paid DLC.

Nonsense. They don't even mention the events of Arrival in the intro. Shepard is on trial for that, yes, but he might as well be on trial for working with Cerberus, the TERRORIST GROUP. It doesn't detract anything from the experience if you haven't played Arrival.