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[Unato]

I count 8 collector assault rifle in that list, that's 3 too many (5 lvls of upgrade iirc). see you do have a choice

granted off course who the heck pays 35USD for a mousepad? I know it's razer but still =S

[Bad King]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Don't blame BW. Bethesduh were the ones who started the whole DLC crap with Horse Armor.

Bethesda don't release day 1 dlc and will be releasing free dlc for Skyrim, something BioWare would never do.

[Nohvarr]

Ummm....didn't Bioware release free DLC for their past games?

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Bad King wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Don't blame BW. Bethesduh were the ones who started the whole DLC crap with Horse Armor.

Bethesda don't release day 1 dlc and will be releasing free dlc for Skyrim, something BioWare would never do.

Except for the part where they do it all the time.

[grimkillah]

This list provided is very misleading and inaccurate. I have been compiling all the Exclusive/Promotional content for ME3 and let me assure you it will not cost that much, I am very OCD about collecting everything for bioware games (24 items for DA2, 15 for DAO, and all of ME2), so I know what I am talking about.

First thing is to make sure you have preordered N7 collector edition of Mass Effect 3 from GameStop (or any that offers N7 gears). Because you get Argus rifle, Valkyrie rifle, Defender armor, N7 hoodies, robot dog, and everything else included in the collector edition.

Then you need to play the Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning demo to unlock Chakram Launcher & Reckoner Knight Armor.

For the Raider Shotgun, ignore it, because EA/Origin have the rights to this content, and most likely to release it like Incisor rifle in ME2, as part of weapon DLC in the near future. So save your money and don't preorder two copies.

Now there are two iOS coming out this year related to ME3, one is the Infiltrator. From what I learned, it is made by the Iron Monkey, a good iOS game developer. the game might be very good, since they made Dead Space iOS too, and that was very entertaining. However the only direct connection to the main game is that if you finished this iOS game, you get a boost to your in-game galaxy readiness, but unlike Mass Effect Galaxy, there is no new content for play this game at all except for increasing your readiness, which we all know can be achieved by just finish all N7 side quests during SP or play a lot of MP. so no real value added, you can ignore this one. The second app is called ME Datapad, which is just a Codex on your iPhone/iPad. it tells your current galaxy readiness level, and receives messages from game characters related to new DLC release info and such. It has a codex system that updates while your explore the game, so if you fought a new types of enemy, the app will add bit more of codex info onto your iPhone which you could read about it (provided you link it to your origin account). So a very novelty idea, but again no value added to the game itself, so you can ignore it if you want.

Now to all other items you have mentioned, they are all for MP, and since you can get Collector rifle as part of veteran pack (Very small chance, but chance nevertheless), but if you want it straight away, then you have to buy the art book from B&N or purchase gears from Razor. You want it early, you pay the premium, it is only fair. So the question you have to ask yourself is do you want to waste hundreds of dollars to have it now, or just play tons of MP in the next few months. your money, your call. Same for the other items.

For extra recruit pack play ME3 recruitment app on facebook, up to five can be earned per gamertag.

For extra veteran pack, you can buy the figures from Big Fish Toys, or the fancy xbox slim vault made by Calibur 11. But personally, few months of MP would earn me these anyway. Plus only the B&N/Razor promotion give you certainty, all other MP packs are random rewards. So before go complaining about how expensive it is to get everything, do the research.

[Frumyfrenzy]

Stanley Woo wrote...
That's a bit misleading. If you total up the price of the products that provide extra content, yes, it'll get expensive, but the content is actually free with the purchase of a product.

 

'free with the purchase' is an oxymoron. How much work does it take to convice oneself of the truth of a contradictory statement?

Stanley Woo wrote... 
And of course, all of the extra content is completely optional. 

Then why not strip every side mission and every weapon except and basic of each type and sell it as optional DLC? In answering this you draw your own line of what you are willing to get and when you get angy. If you take part in this thought experiment, you will get angry. If someone then replies 'Well, it is optional.' it won't diminish your anger.

I'm not against DLC in general, but this is getting out of hand. All those items through the purchase of other games, dolls and exckusivity - this is just awful. I've bought al lot of Bioware Games, but I am strongly discouraged to do so a gain because I feel can't get the full game for a reasonable price. The optionality argument doesn't make that go away. I can't see and haven't read a good defense for this disgusting EA-DLC strategy. There is just the 'We are a company and make money', which would also justify strip all side content and selling it seperately, and 'If you don't want to buy it, then don't", which is no defense but a mere moping confession of the lack of a proper defense. 

[Bad King]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Bad King wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

Don't blame BW. Bethesduh were the ones who started the whole DLC crap with Horse Armor.

Bethesda don't release day 1 dlc and will be releasing free dlc for Skyrim, something BioWare would never do.

Except for the part where they do it all the time.

Not really, the Cerberus Network for ME2 wasn't really free DLC, it was more an incentive for players to buy the game new. People who bought it second hand had to buy the cerberus network seperately. And rather than providing a stream of free small DLC packs, they ended up charging for things like the firepower and aegis packs and gave up on providing free items.

[Reever]

As long as it´s no story dlc (even optional...yeah right...) coming with figurines and such, I´m good.

[Guldhun2]

BlueDemonX wrote...

As long as it´s no story dlc (even optional...yeah right...) coming with figurines and such, I´m good.

Don't give them ideas.

[Forsythia]

Knubbsal wrote...

Be cheap:

- Live in Europe, get the DD edition from Origin that includes all preorder stuff (hope the day one dlc is included).
- Own ME2 CE/DD already for the Collector Assault Rifle (and hope it gets transferred).
- Play free KoA demo.
- Assume all other 'randomized' stuff are just codes for multiplayer booster packs that you can grind with credits anyway.

Total: ~70 euro.

As soon as I realized this, I don't think it's that bad anymore (yeah, I'm from Europe). In retrospect, ME2 was worse with the Dr. Pepper promo, as that was region specific (although there was a workaround).

[Burneye Is God]

schnydz wrote...

This is a pretty interesting tid-bit. If you want to purchase all DLC and marketing items for ME3 it will cost you $870. Here’s the link

Here's a little excerpt: 
"If you add up all of the toys, artbooks, deluxe/pre-order editions, and everything else that nets you Mass Effect 3 in-game content, how much would the full price of entry be? Well, if you buy everything there is to buy (including pre-paying for unlocks), you will spend around the neighborhood of $870. Keep in mind that a lot of this is based on Razor accessories, which power up your "Collector Assault Rifle" to maximum power in multiplayer." - link

Here's their list...(incase you don't feel like opening the link above)

Collector's Edition (needed to obtain all content):

$80 - N7 Collector's Edition

Pre-order bonuses:

AT-12 Raider - Origin pre-order bonus
Chakram Launcher - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
M-55 Argus - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
N7 Weapons pack - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Hoodie - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Warfare Gear - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
Reckoner Knight Armor - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
Robotic Dog - N7 Edition bonus
Squad Outfit pack - N7 Edition bonus

Auxiliary purchases:

Unannounced price for the iOS game Mass Effect Infiltrator, which can affect the main game.

$10 day one "From Dust" DLC

$44.99 for the Liara figurine - which oddly enough now comes with unconfirmed DLC

$24.99 for The Art of Mass Effect Universe - Collector Assault Rifle DLC/Powerup

$80 for four Mass Effect 3 toys - "Slightly randomized" multiplayer unlock DLC

$59.99 for the Mass Effect 3 controller - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$209.99 for the Chimera 5.1 Headset - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$34.99 for the Mousepad - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Messenger Bag - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$24.99 for the iPhone case - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Mouse - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$139.99 for the Keyboard - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup



*edit: there, less $$, happy? Still relevant.

bit tacky as i bought the art of mass effect book and no dlc code

[Zkyire]

schnydz wrote...

This is a pretty interesting tid-bit. If you want to purchase all DLC and marketing items for ME3 it will cost you $870. Here’s the link

Here's a little excerpt: 
"If you add up all of the toys, artbooks, deluxe/pre-order editions, and everything else that nets you Mass Effect 3 in-game content, how much would the full price of entry be? Well, if you buy everything there is to buy (including pre-paying for unlocks), you will spend around the neighborhood of $870. Keep in mind that a lot of this is based on Razor accessories, which power up your "Collector Assault Rifle" to maximum power in multiplayer." - link

Here's their list...(incase you don't feel like opening the link above)

Collector's Edition (needed to obtain all content):

$80 - N7 Collector's Edition

Pre-order bonuses:

AT-12 Raider - Origin pre-order bonus
Chakram Launcher - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
M-55 Argus - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
N7 Weapons pack - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Hoodie - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Warfare Gear - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
Reckoner Knight Armor - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
Robotic Dog - N7 Edition bonus
Squad Outfit pack - N7 Edition bonus

Auxiliary purchases:

Unannounced price for the iOS game Mass Effect Infiltrator, which can affect the main game.

$10 day one "From Dust" DLC

$44.99 for the Liara figurine - which oddly enough now comes with unconfirmed DLC

$24.99 for The Art of Mass Effect Universe - Collector Assault Rifle DLC/Powerup

$80 for four Mass Effect 3 toys - "Slightly randomized" multiplayer unlock DLC

$59.99 for the Mass Effect 3 controller - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$209.99 for the Chimera 5.1 Headset - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$34.99 for the Mousepad - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Messenger Bag - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$24.99 for the iPhone case - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Mouse - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$139.99 for the Keyboard - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup



*edit: there, less $$, happy? Still relevant.

- None of it is necessary to run the game.

- All that DLC exists as either a reward for fans who regularly buy those other products, or exist to entice potential buyers into actually buying it.

- If they were releasing STORY DLC attached to buying additional products; then fine I'd agree with your complaint. But they're not.

[blebyu25]

Zkyire wrote...

schnydz wrote...

This is a pretty interesting tid-bit. If you want to purchase all DLC and marketing items for ME3 it will cost you $870. Here’s the link

Here's a little excerpt: 
"If you add up all of the toys, artbooks, deluxe/pre-order editions, and everything else that nets you Mass Effect 3 in-game content, how much would the full price of entry be? Well, if you buy everything there is to buy (including pre-paying for unlocks), you will spend around the neighborhood of $870. Keep in mind that a lot of this is based on Razor accessories, which power up your "Collector Assault Rifle" to maximum power in multiplayer." - link

Here's their list...(incase you don't feel like opening the link above)

Collector's Edition (needed to obtain all content):

$80 - N7 Collector's Edition

Pre-order bonuses:

AT-12 Raider - Origin pre-order bonus
Chakram Launcher - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
M-55 Argus - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
N7 Weapons pack - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Hoodie - N7 Edition bonus
N7 Warfare Gear - Pre-order bonus for select retailers
Reckoner Knight Armor - Play the Kingdoms of Alamur demo
Robotic Dog - N7 Edition bonus
Squad Outfit pack - N7 Edition bonus

Auxiliary purchases:

Unannounced price for the iOS game Mass Effect Infiltrator, which can affect the main game.

$10 day one "From Dust" DLC

$44.99 for the Liara figurine - which oddly enough now comes with unconfirmed DLC

$24.99 for The Art of Mass Effect Universe - Collector Assault Rifle DLC/Powerup

$80 for four Mass Effect 3 toys - "Slightly randomized" multiplayer unlock DLC

$59.99 for the Mass Effect 3 controller - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$209.99 for the Chimera 5.1 Headset - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$34.99 for the Mousepad - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Messenger Bag - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$24.99 for the iPhone case - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$79.99 for the Mouse - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup

$139.99 for the Keyboard - Collector Assault Rifle unlock DLC/Powerup



*edit: there, less $$, happy? Still relevant.

- None of it is necessary to run the game.

- All that DLC exists as either a reward for fans who regularly buy those other products, or exist to entice potential buyers into actually buying it.

- If they were releasing STORY DLC attached to buying additional products; then fine I'd agree with your complaint. But they're not.

Listen to this guy. After reading the "younger gamers" thread it has become evident that many of you are still in High School or K-8. Am I saying you are not mature/wise/whatever? No. But what people need to understand is, technology has changed. The business has changed. That's just part of it. I am fairly certain the publisher lines up more of these deals than Bioware does. Save for "From Dust", none of this is part of the story of ME3. If you want a juiced up assault rifle, then play multiplayer. It's fun. It's way to easy to point fingers at the big guys to "stick it to the man" but a lot of these comments have become ignorant. Keep it classy, Bioware worked around the clock for years to bring us ME3, trust me, they want you to have the full game without buying toys. If anything, the DLC is good for super collector fans who are into this sort of thing, its a bonus for them.

[AlanC9]

Frumyfrenzy wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
That's a bit misleading. If you total up the price of the products that provide extra content, yes, it'll get expensive, but the content is actually free with the purchase of a product.

 

'free with the purchase' is an oxymoron. How much work does it take to convice oneself of the truth of a contradictory statement?

Really? Last May I bought a new flat-screen TV. Sony had a promotion for Memorial Day, so they threw in a Blu-Ray player free. 

In what sense wasn't that Blu-ray player free? I didn't pay for it, but I got it. The TV was on sale, so it's not like they secretly raised prices when they added the player to the deal. Though I suppose there's some parallel universe where instead of throwing in the player they cut the TV's price even further.

[movieguyabw]

grimkillah wrote...

This list provided is very misleading and inaccurate. I have been compiling all the Exclusive/Promotional content for ME3 and let me assure you it will not cost that much, I am very OCD about collecting everything for bioware games (24 items for DA2, 15 for DAO, and all of ME2), so I know what I am talking about.

First thing is to make sure you have preordered N7 collector edition of Mass Effect 3 from GameStop (or any that offers N7 gears). Because you get Argus rifle, Valkyrie rifle, Defender armor, N7 hoodies, robot dog, and everything else included in the collector edition.

Then you need to play the Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning demo to unlock Chakram Launcher & Reckoner Knight Armor.

For the Raider Shotgun, ignore it, because EA/Origin have the rights to this content, and most likely to release it like Incisor rifle in ME2, as part of weapon DLC in the near future. So save your money and don't preorder two copies.

Now there are two iOS coming out this year related to ME3, one is the Infiltrator. From what I learned, it is made by the Iron Monkey, a good iOS game developer. the game might be very good, since they made Dead Space iOS too, and that was very entertaining. However the only direct connection to the main game is that if you finished this iOS game, you get a boost to your in-game galaxy readiness, but unlike Mass Effect Galaxy, there is no new content for play this game at all except for increasing your readiness, which we all know can be achieved by just finish all N7 side quests during SP or play a lot of MP. so no real value added, you can ignore this one. The second app is called ME Datapad, which is just a Codex on your iPhone/iPad. it tells your current galaxy readiness level, and receives messages from game characters related to new DLC release info and such. It has a codex system that updates while your explore the game, so if you fought a new types of enemy, the app will add bit more of codex info onto your iPhone which you could read about it (provided you link it to your origin account). So a very novelty idea, but again no value added to the game itself, so you can ignore it if you want.

Now to all other items you have mentioned, they are all for MP, and since you can get Collector rifle as part of veteran pack (Very small chance, but chance nevertheless), but if you want it straight away, then you have to buy the art book from B&N or purchase gears from Razor. You want it early, you pay the premium, it is only fair. So the question you have to ask yourself is do you want to waste hundreds of dollars to have it now, or just play tons of MP in the next few months. your money, your call. Same for the other items.

For extra recruit pack play ME3 recruitment app on facebook, up to five can be earned per gamertag.

For extra veteran pack, you can buy the figures from Big Fish Toys, or the fancy xbox slim vault made by Calibur 11. But personally, few months of MP would earn me these anyway. Plus only the B&N/Razor promotion give you certainty, all other MP packs are random rewards. So before go complaining about how expensive it is to get everything, do the research.

Well, it looks like I'm set then.      I only really wanted the story dlcs, and the N7 warfare armor anyway  (would look badass on my femshep) 

[AlanC9]

Bad King wrote...
Not really, the Cerberus Network for ME2 wasn't really free DLC, it was more an incentive for players to buy the game new. People who bought it second hand had to buy the cerberus network seperately.

Well, Cerberus was free for me, since I buy new. I count that as free DLC.

[Nizzemancer]

schnydz wrote...

I remember the days of buying a game and that was it. Who was it CoD that started this? Trying to remember....

Nah they used to call DLC "Expansion packs" before and they normally cost half of what the original game cost.

Blame it on Id Software.

[Frumyfrenzy]

AlanC9 wrote...
Really? Last May I bought a new flat-screen TV. Sony had a promotion for Memorial Day, so they threw in a Blu-Ray player free.  

In what sense wasn't that Blu-ray player free? I didn't pay for it, but I got it. The TV was on sale, so it's not like they secretly raised prices when they added the player to the deal. Though I suppose there's some parallel universe where instead of throwing in the player they cut the TV's price even further.

Something is free if you do not have to pay money to get it. You paid money to get it, therefore it was not free.

Modifié par Frumyfrenzy, 18 février 2012 - 07:52 .

[AlanC9]

Frumyfrenzy wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Really? Last May I bought a new flat-screen TV. Sony had a promotion for Memorial Day, so they threw in a Blu-Ray player free.  

In what sense wasn't that Blu-ray player free? I didn't pay for it, but I got it. The TV was on sale, so it's not like they secretly raised prices when they added the player to the deal. Though I suppose there's some parallel universe where instead of throwing in the player they cut the TV's price even further.

Something is free if you do not have to pay money to get it. You paid money to get it, therefore it was not free.

OK, so when a merchant throws in an aditional product for no extra charge, he shouldn't call it "free." What word would you prefer?

[Frumyfrenzy]

A 'good offer'.

[littlezack]

No, you call it free. Because that's the definition of free.

Hell, if you go by the way you're talking, then NO DLC is ever free, because you have to buy the game in order to play it.

[Ianamus]

 Most of those are novelty items that have no bearing on the game, so... yeah. 

That said I'd rather that the novelty items were created and released after launch, and I won't be happy if this day 1 DLC is not included in the collectors edition and everybody has to pay extra for it.

[AlanC9]

Filament wrote...
I understand the whole DLC separate budget yadda yadda, but I have to wonder if they couldn't use that excuse to make six separate day one DLCs and make the final product cost over $100 for the super special true fan edition.

Let's say they did. What of it?

[Dionkey]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

What ever happened to the days you would buy a game and that was it?

Technology, the world, even the way we play games and communicate, have changed significantly since the days where a box on a videogame store shelf was the only way to get games.

I don't know about you, but I would never have had as much fun playing Rock Band if there were no DLC.and without Rock Band, I never would have discovered console gaming!

Without DLC and microtransactions, I certainly wouldn't have gone back to D&D Online or Lord of the Rings Online for a while if they hadn't enticed me with a free to play mode (where I also purchased things to enhance my game). Many of my DVD and Blu-Ray choices are based, in part, on what special features have been added. I also enjoy purchasing single or a few songs rather than an entire album from iTunes if I don't care for the entire album.

Sure some extra levels is nice but when did the gaming industry start charging several times the actual price of the game for extra content?

That's a bit misleading. If you total up the price of the products that provide extra content, yes, it'll get expensive, but the content is actually free with the purchase of a product. Also, as there can be many pieces of DLC for a game (such as, for example, for Fallout 3), it is entirely possible for the total price of all the content to be more than the cost of the original game.

And of course, all of the extra content is completely optional. If you feel it is of value, then by all means, purchase it. If you like these other products that happen to include bonus content, then go for it! If, on the other hand, you don't feel these things are of value, don't buy it. it's entirely up to you.

Stan, in all honesty, do you just agree with everything BioWare and EA does because it's your job, or because you have an undying loyalty to them?