The arrogance of the council amazes me sometimes. They have shunned the quarians every chance they get and have made the migrant fleet unwelcome in citadel space and then they have the nerve to think they are entitled to inspect the Migrant Fleet. I hope when the quarians told the council no they also told them to shove it.
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#127
Posté 18 février 2012 - 06:10
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Yakko77 wrote...
Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...
Alliance News Networkwrote...
“The Migrant Fleet has always lived on the edge of criminality,” popular
blogger Feyro Derlan said. “But adding an axial gun to a liveship
that’s who-knows-how-many kilometers long? That’s not a cause for worry,
that’s terror worth soiling your pants over.”
But, you can't add an axial gun to an already-complete starship and have it be sound; the ship has to be built around it.
Aren't there two trypes of dreadnought? One with the main gun running down its length and another that has guns lining its sides sort of akin to the old tall ships like HMS Victory or USS Constitution (presumably more powerful than cruiser cannons but less so than the long "rail gun" ships). Kilamenjaro and Everest class I believe.
yep they come in "artillery" and "tank" versions, the liveships would surely be used as artillery dreads in which case they could easily have some of the strongest weaponry fro the class.
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Posté 18 février 2012 - 06:12
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Or that the subject in question is even an AI.ddv.rsa wrote...
It's only genocide if you accept AIs as life.
#129
Posté 18 février 2012 - 06:19
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Abirn wrote...
Jog0907 wrote...
Eradyn wrote...
Randy1083 wrote...
I'm not the biggest quarian supporter (I think they play the victim card a bit too much), but good on them for sticking it to the Council. Booting a species off of the Citadel and then still expecting them to follow the Citadel's laws is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy.
Considering what the quarians did to get kicked off the council in the first place...
I find it understandable why they aren't popular with their galactic neighbors and why many species would find this turn of events worrisome.
Well the quarians are not part of council space, so they dont have to uphold their laws or subject themselves to any kind of control from them. Others can be worried but they cant pretend to have any right to inspect their ships or have any control of what they do.
They tried to commit genocide. The rest of civilization has every right to interject itself in extreme cases like that.
so did the krogans and the salarians; double standards anyone?
#130
Posté 18 février 2012 - 06:28
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Travie wrote...
McAllyster wrote...
Council is just a bunch of idiots (including Udina). They have no rights for asking anyone, anything.
You humans always were fools, you never should have been granted a seat on the council in the firstplace.
The Council should be disbanded soon - this is a highly incompetent group of tyrants. I'm not proud of human presence in the Council. We should create a more democratic galactic leadership with the participation of every species who would like to join.
The quarian issue is just one example of the arrogant behavior of the Council. The Council should HELP quarian people not punish them for their ancestors mistake.
#131
Posté 18 février 2012 - 06:37
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A quarian stole my friend’s credit chit while he was on the Citadel.
that is just plain mean!
#132
Posté 18 février 2012 - 07:39
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Eradyn wrote....
It's a self-imposed exile and a punishment of their own choosing.
They were forced out of their worlds by the Geths Sure they're guilty of the Morning war, but people can be guilty for their ancestor's errors
In the meantime, they've been inconveniencing and endangering other species since,
Endangering others species ? how ? the Geths didn't venture out of the Perseus veil until Sovereign made them his minions, besides the Geths have no interest to hunt organic life, they just want organics out of their way
all while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for why they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if only temporarily). No, they'd rather strip-mine whole star systems and dump their garbage and criminals on other species' worlds,
Quarians have looking for a new homeworld, but you can't find an homeworld just by saying it, and the thing is worse for the quarians who evolved in a very specic environnement, if t
all while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for
why they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if
only temporarily). hey don't find some intersting world, they're forced to be space homeless
make half-assed and suicidal attacks on beings they already grievously wronged
What attacks , Haestrom ? killing Geths weren't the objective of this mission
, than buck up and establish a colony to save their species (or at least try honest diplomacy). And it only gets worse in ME2, because you see just how ridiculous and blood-thirsty they are.
There're desperate, desesperate people attempt desesperate things, it's surely not a good idea but it's a belivable mindset
They would risk further endangering other organic species, and their own, in their quest for absolute war and enslavement of others than to do something smart for their own people (which would also benefit all other organic life on several fronts).
Nonsense
No, the quarians are an incredibly foolish, selfish, and short-sighted species with few notable exceptions.
ME universe is by not means some kind of sweet dreamland, there is no point of just dismissing a species about their mistakes, you'll achieve next to nothing just saying that X is foolish or Y selfish or whatever, because every single species is foolish or selfish: Asaris use aliens to increase their own genetic diversity, Salarians seek for technological superiority, Turians vassalized the Volus to increase their own strengh, Krogans expanded themselves over other civilisations, Humans have a aggressive ambition and expansive behavior, Batarians claim entire non-colonized areas as their propriety, and it goes on and on.......Everyone is selfish, the thing is to make all that "selfish-ness" work together
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Y'know, I'd have more sympathy for the moral angle on the Council's intervention if it looked like they gave even the slightest fraction of a gorram about the geth. I suspect that if they could get some way of ensuring that the quarians' weapons would only be used against synthetics, the Council races would be arming the Migrant Fleet. "The geth did it," remember? ("'Reapers!'" 
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EDIT: I give up on trying to edit this damned post. Sorry the formatting is all wonky, but at least it's marginally readable now. <_<
[quote]Vapaä wrote...
[quote]Eradyn wrote....
It's a self-imposed exile and a punishment of their own choosing. [/quote]
They
were forced out of their worlds by the Geths Sure they're guilty of the
Morning war, but people can be guilty for their ancestor's
errors[/quote]
I agree, no one should be guilty of the "sins of the father." But when you commit those same sins, or willingly show the same intent to commit them...
[quote]
[quote]In the meantime, they've been inconveniencing and endangering other species since, [/quote]
Endangering
others species ? how ? the Geths didn't venture out of the Perseus veil
until Sovereign made them his minions, besides the Geths have no
interest to hunt organic life, they just want organics out of their way[/quote]
I'm
talking about quarians. Creating the geth aside...they strip-mine star
systems and dump their crap and criminals all over other people's
worlds. They also take under-the-table jobs from citizens of those
systems but that's just something that pisses the locals off and isn't
really putting anyone in direct danger. All of that, at best,
inconveniences their victims and, at worst, endangers them (depending on
what specific affront is being spoken of).
[quote]
[quote]all
while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for why
they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if only
temporarily). No, they'd rather strip-mine whole star systems and dump
their garbage and criminals on other species' worlds, [/quote]
Quarians
have looking for a new homeworld, but you can't find an homeworld just
by saying it, and the thing is worse for the quarians who evolved in a
very specic environnement, if t
all while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for
why they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if
only temporarily). hey don't find some intersting world, they're forced to be space homeless[/quote]
Yeah,
no, they just didn't ever want to devote the resources to try. It isn't
until the books that they get serious and finally send out a group to
go searching for a home. They're technologically advanced enough to set
up base on a colony. Hell, they've been floating around for 300 years
in their rusty-ass space ships, they have the means to establish a
colony. Instead of doing that, though, they want to float around crying
"woe is us" and saber rattle at the geth they can't afford to keep
losing to.
And frankly, if Tali can screw a human and walk out with a minor
sniffle, her people could have easily established a colony and adapted
over time. Had they done that before, as any reasonable species would,
their immune systems would have been adapted and they wouldn't be stuck
in suits by the time ME1 rolled around. And if they didn't want to adapt
over time, they were still technologically advanced to have contained
colonies...only it would be on a planet and not floating through their
neighbors' space-lawns, leaving their crap everywhere and strip mining
these systems, and leaving their species vulnerable to swift
extinction. They could have had their own system, they could have
adapted, they wouldn't have been the roving bands of "marauders" the
galaxy sees them as, and they probably would be in better shape on the
galactic scale (and their species would have been stronger for it).
[quote]
[quote]make half-assed and suicidal attacks on beings they already grievously wronged[/quote]
What attacks , Haestrom ? killing Geths weren't the objective of this mission[/quote]
No,
not Haestrom.
Before
that. Like I said, "half-assed and suicidal."
[quote]
[quote],
than buck up and establish a colony to save their species (or at least
try honest diplomacy). And it only gets worse in ME2, because you see
just how ridiculous and blood-thirsty they are.[/quote]
There're
desperate, desesperate people attempt desesperate things, it's surely
not a good idea but it's a belivable mindset[/quote]
I agree,
they are desperate, self-victimized...and it's believable. It happens
all the time amongst humans. Unfortunately for the quarians, their
governing bodies are filled with people with misguided and unwise
thoughts and goals, and that will only lead to the continued suffering
and eventual extinction of their species. Considering the state of their
species, they cannot afford this "luxury." They have at least one
individual in power with some sense in his head; it would benefit the
quarians greatly to stop dismissing him as merely a "geth sympathizer."
[quote]
[quote]They would risk further endangering other organic species, and their own, in their quest for absolute war and enslavement of others than to do something smart for their own people (which would also benefit all other organic life on several fronts).[/quote]
Nonsense[/quote]
It's
not nonsense. The quarians in general seek war and a violent
reclamation of their homeworld with the total destruction of the geth as
a goal. There are a few individuals who believe peace is possible. I
know one admiral wishes to destroy the geth utterly and another wishes
to enslave the geth. Only one seeks peace, mutual respect, and
co-existence. The latter is summarily dismissed as a "geth sympathiser."
Were the quarians willing to truly seek peace with the geth, it would
result in a better conclusion for both species. The geth would be free
to continue their quest for self-improvement, the quarians could have
their homeworld back, and bloodshed wouldn't be required. This would
also serve to show the geth that peace with organic life is possible and
that outright hostility is not always necessary. It would, in short,
be a paradigm shift that would benefit all organics, not just quarians
(who, admittedly, are direct beneficiaries of a peace treaty with the
geth).
[quote]
[quote]No, the quarians are an incredibly foolish, selfish, and short-sighted species with few notable exceptions. [/quote]
ME
universe is by not means some kind of sweet dreamland, there is no
point of just dismissing a species about their mistakes, you'll achieve
next to nothing just saying that X is foolish or Y selfish or whatever,
because every single species is foolish or selfish: Asaris use aliens to
increase their own genetic diversity, Salarians seek for technological
superiority, Turians vassalized the Volus to increase their own strengh,
Krogans expanded themselves over other civilisations, Humans have a
aggressive ambition and expansive behavior, Batarians claim entire
non-colonized areas as their propriety, and it goes on and
on.......Everyone is selfish, the thing is to make all that
"selfish-ness" work together
[/quote]
I agree with your
sentiment. The quarians, unfortunately, don't want to even work together
with other organics. They just take what they want, do what they want,
and if it inconveniences, harms, or frightens others...well, too bad. I
am under no illusions that this fictional universe is a "dream land."
Quite the contrary. My point is that the quarians, of all species,
cannot afford to continue down the bull-headed, misguided path they have
long been set on travelliing. It is ultimately self-defeating and will
result in their eventual extinction, unless they change.
[quote]Vapaä wrote...
[quote]Eradyn wrote....
It's a self-imposed exile and a punishment of their own choosing. [/quote]
They
were forced out of their worlds by the Geths Sure they're guilty of the
Morning war, but people can be guilty for their ancestor's
errors[/quote]
I agree, no one should be guilty of the "sins of the father." But when you commit those same sins, or willingly show the same intent to commit them...
[quote]
[quote]In the meantime, they've been inconveniencing and endangering other species since, [/quote]
Endangering
others species ? how ? the Geths didn't venture out of the Perseus veil
until Sovereign made them his minions, besides the Geths have no
interest to hunt organic life, they just want organics out of their way[/quote]
I'm
talking about quarians. Creating the geth aside...they strip-mine star
systems and dump their crap and criminals all over other people's
worlds. They also take under-the-table jobs from citizens of those
systems but that's just something that pisses the locals off and isn't
really putting anyone in direct danger. All of that, at best,
inconveniences their victims and, at worst, endangers them (depending on
what specific affront is being spoken of).
[quote]
[quote]all
while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for why
they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if only
temporarily). No, they'd rather strip-mine whole star systems and dump
their garbage and criminals on other species' worlds, [/quote]
Quarians
have looking for a new homeworld, but you can't find an homeworld just
by saying it, and the thing is worse for the quarians who evolved in a
very specic environnement, if t
all while waving the victim card and making "woe is me" excuses for
why they'd rather not make a serious effort to find a new homeworld (if
only temporarily). hey don't find some intersting world, they're forced to be space homeless[/quote]
Yeah,
no, they just didn't ever want to devote the resources to try. It isn't
until the books that they get serious and finally send out a group to
go searching for a home. They're technologically advanced enough to set
up base on a colony. Hell, they've been floating around for 300 years
in their rusty-ass space ships, they have the means to establish a
colony. Instead of doing that, though, they want to float around crying
"woe is us" and saber rattle at the geth they can't afford to keep
losing to.
And frankly, if Tali can screw a human and walk out with a minor
sniffle, her people could have easily established a colony and adapted
over time. Had they done that before, as any reasonable species would,
their immune systems would have been adapted and they wouldn't be stuck
in suits by the time ME1 rolled around. And if they didn't want to adapt
over time, they were still technologically advanced to have contained
colonies...only it would be on a planet and not floating through their
neighbors' space-lawns, leaving their crap everywhere and strip mining
these systems, and leaving their species vulnerable to swift
extinction. They could have had their own system, they could have
adapted, they wouldn't have been the roving bands of "marauders" the
galaxy sees them as, and they probably would be in better shape on the
galactic scale (and their species would have been stronger for it).
[quote]
[quote]make half-assed and suicidal attacks on beings they already grievously wronged[/quote]
What attacks , Haestrom ? killing Geths weren't the objective of this mission[/quote]
No,
not Haestrom.
Before
that. Like I said, "half-assed and suicidal."
[quote]
[quote],
than buck up and establish a colony to save their species (or at least
try honest diplomacy). And it only gets worse in ME2, because you see
just how ridiculous and blood-thirsty they are.[/quote]
There're
desperate, desesperate people attempt desesperate things, it's surely
not a good idea but it's a belivable mindset[/quote]
I agree,
they are desperate, self-victimized...and it's believable. It happens
all the time amongst humans. Unfortunately for the quarians, their
governing bodies are filled with people with misguided and unwise
thoughts and goals, and that will only lead to the continued suffering
and eventual extinction of their species. Considering the state of their
species, they cannot afford this "luxury." They have at least one
individual in power with some sense in his head; it would benefit the
quarians greatly to stop dismissing him as merely a "geth sympathizer."
[quote]
[quote]They would risk further endangering other organic species, and their own, in their quest for absolute war and enslavement of others than to do something smart for their own people (which would also benefit all other organic life on several fronts).[/quote]
Nonsense[/quote]
It's
not nonsense. The quarians in general seek war and a violent
reclamation of their homeworld with the total destruction of the geth as
a goal. There are a few individuals who believe peace is possible. I
know one admiral wishes to destroy the geth utterly and another wishes
to enslave the geth. Only one seeks peace, mutual respect, and
co-existence. The latter is summarily dismissed as a "geth sympathiser."
Were the quarians willing to truly seek peace with the geth, it would
result in a better conclusion for both species. The geth would be free
to continue their quest for self-improvement, the quarians could have
their homeworld back, and bloodshed wouldn't be required. This would
also serve to show the geth that peace with organic life is possible and
that outright hostility is not always necessary. It would, in short,
be a paradigm shift that would benefit all organics, not just quarians
(who, admittedly, are direct beneficiaries of a peace treaty with the
geth).
[quote]
[quote]No, the quarians are an incredibly foolish, selfish, and short-sighted species with few notable exceptions. [/quote]
ME
universe is by not means some kind of sweet dreamland, there is no
point of just dismissing a species about their mistakes, you'll achieve
next to nothing just saying that X is foolish or Y selfish or whatever,
because every single species is foolish or selfish: Asaris use aliens to
increase their own genetic diversity, Salarians seek for technological
superiority, Turians vassalized the Volus to increase their own strengh,
Krogans expanded themselves over other civilisations, Humans have a
aggressive ambition and expansive behavior, Batarians claim entire
non-colonized areas as their propriety, and it goes on and
on.......Everyone is selfish, the thing is to make all that
"selfish-ness" work together
[/quote]
I agree with your
sentiment. The quarians, unfortunately, don't want to even work together
with other organics. They just take what they want, do what they want,
and if it inconveniences, harms, or frightens others...well, too bad. I
am under no illusions that this fictional universe is a "dream land."
Quite the contrary. My point is that the quarians, of all species,
cannot afford to continue down the bull-headed, misguided path they have
long been set on travelliing. It is ultimately self-defeating and will
result in their eventual extinction, unless they change.
Modifié par Eradyn, 18 février 2012 - 08:55 .
#135
Posté 18 février 2012 - 08:58
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This is far more interesting than the Reaper - threat.
Please Bioware - destroy this Reaper non-sense - take the opportunity to alter the ME universe how you desire... and then release stories that don't involve Messianic main characters and All Powerful Evil opponents.
Bigger in scope - doesn't always make a better story.
Please Bioware - destroy this Reaper non-sense - take the opportunity to alter the ME universe how you desire... and then release stories that don't involve Messianic main characters and All Powerful Evil opponents.
Bigger in scope - doesn't always make a better story.
#137
Posté 18 février 2012 - 10:36
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Blackout62 wrote...
Damn it you don't quote a clearly subjective statement of a blogger in a piece of legitimate news report. It diminishes the reputation of both the reporter and the publisher of their work. Bioware I better have the option to punch Diana Allers, Not for her offensive purview like that other reporter, but for her offensive disregard for the proper standards of journalism.
She's not worth it. Save the punching for that reporter ****** Kalisah for her disingenuous assertions.
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lol @ super long posts with intricate details
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My shep will definitely teach the galaxy a thing or two about giving the quarians and the geth the respect they deserve. I really and absolutely HATED how quarians were mistreated in ME2, the Volus and the Csec officer deserved to just be shot dead on the spot....with spectre reinstatement I should have been able to put them down right then and there. I really wish spectres were more like justicars....answer to nobody and put criminals down wherever they found them.
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 12:00
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Quarian have right arm their ships anyway want because their ships are their homeworld. Citadel Council has no right because the Citadel Council closes the quarian embassy on the Citadel.
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 12:14
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Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them.
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they tried to genocide the geth.
#143
Posté 19 février 2012 - 12:21
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Abirn wrote...
Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them.
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they tried to genocide the geth.
The Geth vs. Quarians is a non issue, it WILL be resolved peacefully if you try.....ME2 made this perfectly clear. The very fact that the player is involved in the matter of Quarian politics involving how to act on the Geth and even deals with the conflict between two of the best representatives of both groups is a signal clear as day that when the reapers come there will be a peaceful solution to this problem.
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 12:57
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Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them.
Yes, they tried to illegally established themselves on a council-controlled planet suitable only for, and given to, the elcor. I understand the quarians can't just colonize any planet due to their biology...but they need to find a planet more suitable for their biology and seek to establish themselves legally. Considering they didn't want to do this on the up-and-up on the first go-around, at this point it would probably be best to seek one beyond the council species' territory. And no matter where they go, Rannoch or otherwise, they will have to adapt to their environment as their immune systems are in such dire shape (shouldn't be after only 300 years, but that's another discussion).
Darth_Trethon wrote...
The Geth vs. Quarians is a non
issue, it WILL be resolved peacefully if you try.....ME2 made this
perfectly clear. The very fact that the player is involved in the matter
of Quarian politics involving how to act on the Geth and even deals
with the conflict between two of the best representatives of both groups
is a signal clear as day that when the reapers come there will be a
peaceful solution to this problem.
And ultimately, this is all that matters so far as the game goes. Shepard's magical powers of persuasion will save the day, barring players having screwed up their chances beyond repair beforehand.
Modifié par Eradyn, 19 février 2012 - 12:58 .
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 02:01
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It's obvious the Reapers are in place in order to save organics from themselves, despite what many think they do infact preserve organic life by doing their best to make each new species "eternal" to the best of their abilities...
#146
Posté 19 février 2012 - 02:23
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Eradyn wrote...
Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them.
Yes, they tried to illegally established themselves on a council-controlled planet suitable only for, and given to, the elcor. I understand the quarians can't just colonize any planet due to their biology...but they need to find a planet more suitable for their biology and seek to establish themselves legally. Considering they didn't want to do this on the up-and-up on the first go-around, at this point it would probably be best to seek one beyond the council species' territory. And no matter where they go, Rannoch or otherwise, they will have to adapt to their environment as their immune systems are in such dire shape (shouldn't be after only 300 years, but that's another discussion).Darth_Trethon wrote...
The Geth vs. Quarians is a non
issue, it WILL be resolved peacefully if you try.....ME2 made this
perfectly clear. The very fact that the player is involved in the matter
of Quarian politics involving how to act on the Geth and even deals
with the conflict between two of the best representatives of both groups
is a signal clear as day that when the reapers come there will be a
peaceful solution to this problem.
And ultimately, this is all that matters so far as the game goes. Shepard's magical powers of persuasion will save the day, barring players having screwed up their chances beyond repair beforehand.
The problem is that dextro worlds are few and far between in the ME 'verse. Almost all of which, the turians control. Ekuna is an elcor world, given to them by the council after they told the quarians to gtfo...a world that the elcor Do. Not. Want. Not to mention that the quarians weren't the only ones on the planet at the time, even though it wasn't "offically" claimed by any race it was only "illegal" for the quarians to be there after they petetioned the council.
#147
Posté 19 février 2012 - 02:38
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Jog0907 wrote...
Yakko77 wrote...
Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...
Alliance News Networkwrote...
“The Migrant Fleet has always lived on the edge of criminality,” popular
blogger Feyro Derlan said. “But adding an axial gun to a liveship
that’s who-knows-how-many kilometers long? That’s not a cause for worry,
that’s terror worth soiling your pants over.”
But, you can't add an axial gun to an already-complete starship and have it be sound; the ship has to be built around it.
Aren't there two trypes of dreadnought? One with the main gun running down its length and another that has guns lining its sides sort of akin to the old tall ships like HMS Victory or USS Constitution (presumably more powerful than cruiser cannons but less so than the long "rail gun" ships). Kilamenjaro and Everest class I believe.
yep they come in "artillery" and "tank" versions, the liveships would surely be used as artillery dreads in which case they could easily have some of the strongest weaponry fro the class.
The point is, they wouldn't be axial guns, then. :-P
#148
Posté 19 février 2012 - 03:43
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I'm puzzled at why people feel this was directly inspired by the Iranian crisis. It's not even loosely similar. Not only are Iranian vessels not the only suspicious ones out there which get legally boarded and searched (one might as well say it was directly inspired by North Korea or anywhere else), but from what I remember, warships are hands-off and cannot be boarded/searched.
Here, we don't really know what the legalities are. Were the Quarians in transit through Council-controlled territory? If so, then they'd have a right to search them. Do commonly upheld laws or at least Council-regulated ones, classify the ship in question as a military or civilian one? And do they treat both classes equally?
Not sure if there's any equivelant to maritime law...
[quote]Darth_Trethon wrote...
I really wish spectres were
more like justicars....answer to nobody and put criminals down wherever
they found them.[/quote]
Doing so and getting caught at it would put the Council in very tricky legal territory... Technically, because they're sanctioned, certain things they do could be considered acts of war.
[quote]Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them. [/quote]
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they tried to genocide the geth.[/quote]
I find this talk of 'genocide' against machines interesting... I genuinely don't mean this in a sarcastic fashion, but for those of you who hold this opinion, when you watch the first two 'Terminator' films, do you regard the reported panic to shut down Skynet qualifies as genocide, too? If you feel genuine resentment agains the Quarians for having acted how they did during that, do you feel yourself championing Skynet in those films, too?
I realise the Quarians escaped off-world, but if they didn't have access to spaceships, it seems the Geth would have systematically treated them as a problem in need of extermination. From their perspective, the Quarians would be a threat which needs to be neutralised.
And while they might later have possibly come to regret that decision, it doesn't change the fact that this was attempted genocide.
Genocide: The deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.
Not sure this can really be applied to large numbers of computer programmes which can be shut down and reactivated (without any more harm than a temporary interruption in processing). It can, however, be applied to what the Geth attempted with the Quarians. Doesn't matter if they 100% succeeded or not, any more than the fact the Jews weren't 100% eradicated in World War Two doesn't mean the Holocaust wasn't attempted genocide.
By the same token, I'm not sure the Quarians would want to go hunting down Geth if they suddenly found their old world was vacated and open to be repopulated. Defend against them, yes. Actively going around to seek every last one of them out? Probably not.
And yes, I realise it's all fictional, but it's also interesting.
Here, we don't really know what the legalities are. Were the Quarians in transit through Council-controlled territory? If so, then they'd have a right to search them. Do commonly upheld laws or at least Council-regulated ones, classify the ship in question as a military or civilian one? And do they treat both classes equally?
Not sure if there's any equivelant to maritime law...
[quote]Darth_Trethon wrote...
I really wish spectres were
more like justicars....answer to nobody and put criminals down wherever
they found them.[/quote]
Doing so and getting caught at it would put the Council in very tricky legal territory... Technically, because they're sanctioned, certain things they do could be considered acts of war.
[quote]Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...
@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them. [/quote]
Perhaps they should have thought about that before they tried to genocide the geth.[/quote]
I find this talk of 'genocide' against machines interesting... I genuinely don't mean this in a sarcastic fashion, but for those of you who hold this opinion, when you watch the first two 'Terminator' films, do you regard the reported panic to shut down Skynet qualifies as genocide, too? If you feel genuine resentment agains the Quarians for having acted how they did during that, do you feel yourself championing Skynet in those films, too?
I realise the Quarians escaped off-world, but if they didn't have access to spaceships, it seems the Geth would have systematically treated them as a problem in need of extermination. From their perspective, the Quarians would be a threat which needs to be neutralised.
And while they might later have possibly come to regret that decision, it doesn't change the fact that this was attempted genocide.
Genocide: The deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious or national group.
Not sure this can really be applied to large numbers of computer programmes which can be shut down and reactivated (without any more harm than a temporary interruption in processing). It can, however, be applied to what the Geth attempted with the Quarians. Doesn't matter if they 100% succeeded or not, any more than the fact the Jews weren't 100% eradicated in World War Two doesn't mean the Holocaust wasn't attempted genocide.
By the same token, I'm not sure the Quarians would want to go hunting down Geth if they suddenly found their old world was vacated and open to be repopulated. Defend against them, yes. Actively going around to seek every last one of them out? Probably not.
And yes, I realise it's all fictional, but it's also interesting.
Modifié par Xenomorphine, 19 février 2012 - 03:46 .
#149
Posté 19 février 2012 - 05:10
Xerxes52
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Well you see, since the quarians place themselves and their Flotilla outside the responsibilities of the Council's laws, wouldn't they inadvertently place themselves outside of its protections as well?
Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.
Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.
Modifié par Xerxes52, 19 février 2012 - 05:11 .
#150
Posté 19 février 2012 - 05:33
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Xerxes52 wrote...
Well you see, since the quarians place themselves and their Flotilla outside the responsibilities of the Council's laws, wouldn't they inadvertently place themselves outside of its protections as well?
Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.
Quarians have not been part of council space in any level whatsoever for the past 300 years, they already are outside the area where council laws applies, and such have no duty at all as an independent species to subject themselves to council controls, even more since those controls dont come with any advantage of being part of the council (protections as you said which they've been without for more than 3 centuries).
To think that the principles you talk about can be applied to the quarian fleet is completely idiotic. They would barely apply if the fleet acted inside council space but they dont.
Modifié par Jog0907, 19 février 2012 - 05:40 .
