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[Rhonin_the_wizard]

Eradyn wrote...

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them. 

Yes, they tried to illegally established themselves on a council-controlled planet suitable only for, and given to, the elcor.  I understand the quarians can't just colonize any planet due to their biology...but they need to find a planet more suitable for their biology and seek to establish themselves legally.  Considering they didn't want to do this on the up-and-up on the first go-around, at this point it would probably be best to seek one beyond the council species' territory.  And no matter where they go, Rannoch or otherwise, they will have to adapt to their environment as their immune systems are in such dire shape (shouldn't be after only 300 years, but that's another discussion).

Look where Ekuna is on the galaxy map, it's on the other side of the Milky Way compared to the Citadel. There is no evidence that Citadel Space(they need a better name) had any rights to it. And it was a grand idea giving a planet to the Elcor that is right next to Geth teritory. Here are some fan made maps for reference.

[DnVill]

thoththeblack wrote...

Hmm. Does this story take place before or after Deception?

I hope its neither. Wasn't Deception made non canon? I just received my copy of the book a couple of days ago. I can't decide whether to read it, burn it, or throw it away.

[1337Floctender]

They have weapons of mass destruction!! Must invade! Must invade!! (Oh, wait, they don't have usefull resources?) Never mind! We we're wrong!!

[1337Floctender]

DnVill wrote...

thoththeblack wrote...

Hmm. Does this story take place before or after Deception?

I hope its neither. Wasn't Deception made non canon? I just received my copy of the book a couple of days ago. I can't decide whether to read it, burn it, or throw it away.

Read it (laugh) then burn it (Laugh more) then throw away what's left over and laugh triumphantly.

[Eradyn]

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them. 

Yes, they tried to illegally established themselves on a council-controlled planet suitable only for, and given to, the elcor.  I understand the quarians can't just colonize any planet due to their biology...but they need to find a planet more suitable for their biology and seek to establish themselves legally.  Considering they didn't want to do this on the up-and-up on the first go-around, at this point it would probably be best to seek one beyond the council species' territory.  And no matter where they go, Rannoch or otherwise, they will have to adapt to their environment as their immune systems are in such dire shape (shouldn't be after only 300 years, but that's another discussion).

Look where Ekuna is on the galaxy map, it's on the other side of the Milky Way compared to the Citadel. There is no evidence that Citadel Space(they need a better name) had any rights to it. And it was a grand idea giving a planet to the Elcor that is right next to Geth teritory. Here are some fan made maps for reference.

Then there'd be no reason to ask the council for permission. Hey, it wouldn't be the first time BW messed up their own lore.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

I should point out, first of all, that the Flotilla DOES act in Council Space. They pass through systems, strip resources, tie up the mass relay for days, and accept bribes to leave from the people there.

I should also remind everyone that traditional FTL in Mass Effect isn't good at getting you all the way across the galaxy, so drawing up those territorial maps is useless. Everything is based around each individual mass relay, and what type it is.

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

Eradyn wrote...

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

@Eradyn
Remember the Quarians can't colonize just any planet because of their immune systems. And they attempted to colonize one, Ekuna, but the Council wouldn't let them. 

Yes, they tried to illegally established themselves on a council-controlled planet suitable only for, and given to, the elcor.  I understand the quarians can't just colonize any planet due to their biology...but they need to find a planet more suitable for their biology and seek to establish themselves legally.  Considering they didn't want to do this on the up-and-up on the first go-around, at this point it would probably be best to seek one beyond the council species' territory.  And no matter where they go, Rannoch or otherwise, they will have to adapt to their environment as their immune systems are in such dire shape (shouldn't be after only 300 years, but that's another discussion).

Look where Ekuna is on the galaxy map, it's on the other side of the Milky Way compared to the Citadel. There is no evidence that Citadel Space(they need a better name) had any rights to it. And it was a grand idea giving a planet to the Elcor that is right next to Geth teritory. Here are some fan made maps for reference.

Then there'd be no reason to ask the council for permission. Hey, it wouldn't be the first time BW messed up their own lore.

According to the Wiki, the Quarians are the ones that discovered it in the first place, and they already had settlements on the council told them to GTFO. They wouldnt risk war with Humanity or the Batarians over a single planet, but they knew the Quarians would never risk a full scale fleet engagement with dreadnaughts. The causialites would be horrendous.   This is clearly a might makes right powerplay.   Nations make moves like that all the time.  The morality of it is questionable, and can be argued back and forth all day.  But fairness usually doesnt factor much into politics.

Modifié par Butcher_of_Torfan, 19 février 2012 - 04:15 .

[Rhonin_the_wizard]

Eradyn wrote...

Rhonin_the_wizard wrote...

Look where Ekuna is on the galaxy map, it's on the other side of the Milky Way compared to the Citadel. There is no evidence that Citadel Space(they need a better name) had any rights to it. And it was a grand idea giving a planet to the Elcor that is right next to Geth teritory. Here are some fan made maps for reference.

Then there'd be no reason to ask the council for permission. Hey, it wouldn't be the first time BW messed up their own lore.

While it is possible the devs did not fully consider where Ekuna is located, remember the Council enforces laws as it sees fit. Medi-gel is illegal according to the law, but the Council doesn't do anything about it because it is useful. As for why the Flotilla asked permission, maybe they still considered themselves to be part of Citadel Space or they thought it was the right thing to do. 

Regardless, threatening them with orbital bombardment if they did not evacuate the planet in one galactic standard month seems like overkill, and a waste of resources.

Oh, found this on the Wiki: "First discovered by the quarians at the turn of the century," (about Ekuna). Picture with description.

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

I should point out, first of all, that the Flotilla DOES act in Council Space. They pass through systems, strip resources, tie up the mass relay for days, and accept bribes to leave from the people there.

The bribes are to change course and not visit the system. As for striping resources that is an exaggeration. The SR2 would probably do more damage to a system than the entire Flotilla.

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote. I should also remind everyone that traditional FTL in Mass Effect isn't good at getting you all the way across the galaxy, so drawing up those territorial maps is useless. Everything is based around each individual mass relay, and what type it is.

Phoenix Massing is close to the Far Rim, which is in Geth territory, that's where Tali's recruitment mission takes place. Its kind of funny considering the Council criticized the Alliance for colonizing worlds close to the Terminus, but lets the Elcor have one within spiting distance of the Geth.

And Ekuna was first discovered by the Quarians, according to its description.

Modifié par Rhonin_the_wizard, 19 février 2012 - 04:24 .

[MoltenRock]

[Adanu]

MoltenRock wrote...

I don't get the point of that one...

[MrnDvlDg161]

Headline in the other stories braket:

Migrant Fleet Adm busted for a Quarian Prostitution Ring, illegal suit coupling for credits scheme backfires on top management.

[Jog0907]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

I should point out, first of all, that the Flotilla DOES act in Council Space. They pass through systems, strip resources, tie up the mass relay for days, and accept bribes to leave from the people there.

I should also remind everyone that traditional FTL in Mass Effect isn't good at getting you all the way across the galaxy, so drawing up those territorial maps is useless. Everything is based around each individual mass relay, and what type it is.

No they dont, all the relays they use are in the terminus systems same with the planets they strip for resources, and the closest contact they have with council territory is with frontier colonies or places like Illium which are not treated as council territory.

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Feyro Derlan - still better than Fox News.

[Xerxes52]

MoltenRock wrote...

I doubt arming a Liveship would be the best idea. Giving them weapons would make it legal for Council ships to fire on them if the Flotilla ever met a Council fleet in battle (same reason why we don't arm hospital ships today). If the quarians lose one of those ships, millions of their people starve to death (from the codex).

[Jog0907]

Xerxes52 wrote...

MoltenRock wrote...

I doubt arming a Liveship would be the best idea. Giving them weapons would make it legal for Council ships to fire on them if the Flotilla ever met a Council fleet in battle (same reason why we don't arm hospital ships today). If the quarians lose one of those ships, millions of their people starve to death (from the codex).

well supposedly the arming of the ships follows an emergency procedure, will have to see what me3 says in regards to this. Also consider than the armament is most likely for long range encounter where the would be a bit safer, and because of the way these guns work they would also be extremely powerful.

[Alikain]

Excellent now i can't wait for the game now.

[slimgrin]

And the point of this is?

[DJBare]

slimgrin wrote...

And the point of this is?

To bring the story of Mass Effect into the real world, or seemingly, it's also why I like the datapad idea, the game is no longer limited to my monitor but reaching beyond it.

[Wulfram]

slimgrin wrote...

And the point of this is?

So we don't cry bull that the Quarian fleet is counted as a major force.

[JeffZero]

slimgrin wrote...

And the point of this is?

Same as all the CDN updates. Cool little pseudo news stories. Nothing more, nothing less.

[lurker541]

@wolfram

Good point

[The_Real_Lee]

Jog0907 wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Well you see, since the quarians place themselves and their Flotilla outside the responsibilities of the Council's laws, wouldn't they inadvertently place themselves outside of its protections as well?

Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.

Quarians have not been part of council space in any level whatsoever for the past 300 years, they already are outside the area where council laws applies, and such have no duty at all as an independent species to subject themselves to council controls, even more since those controls dont come with any advantage of being part of the council (protections as you said which they've been without for more than 3 centuries).

To think that the principles you talk about can be applied to the quarian fleet is completely idiotic. They would barely apply if the fleet acted inside council space but they dont.

Pretty sure the Quarians didn't view themselves within the Council's protection when the council refused to help them retake their homeworlds when they first lost it. Really, the Council doesn't seem to care at all about the Quarian's well being as a species.

[Jog0907]

The_Real_Lee wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Well you see, since the quarians place themselves and their Flotilla outside the responsibilities of the Council's laws, wouldn't they inadvertently place themselves outside of its protections as well?

Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.

Quarians have not been part of council space in any level whatsoever for the past 300 years, they already are outside the area where council laws applies, and such have no duty at all as an independent species to subject themselves to council controls, even more since those controls dont come with any advantage of being part of the council (protections as you said which they've been without for more than 3 centuries).

To think that the principles you talk about can be applied to the quarian fleet is completely idiotic. They would barely apply if the fleet acted inside council space but they dont.

Pretty sure the Quarians didn't view themselves within the Council's protection when the council refused to help them retake their homeworlds when they first lost it. Really, the Council doesn't seem to care at all about the Quarian's well being as a species.

Neither about most species really, the krogan werent a problem while they stayed away from asari colonies and only invaded other council species territories but only become a reason for total war when they took an asari colony.

[Reiella]

Jog0907 wrote...

Neither about most species really, the krogan werent a problem while they stayed away from asari colonies and only invaded other council species territories but only become a reason for total war when they took an asari colony.

The Council still suffers from war fatigue from the Rachni wars is my suspicion, and are far more willing to hope that their super spies can solve their problems without the war having to get hot.

[Farbautisonn]

Reiella wrote...

The Council still suffers from war fatigue from the Rachni wars is my suspicion, and are far more willing to hope that their super spies can solve their problems without the war having to get hot.

-As far as I recall the Rachni wars was several hundred (2000?) years ago. Even the Krogan Rebellions was loong ago in a region of space far far away.

But fitting guns to liveships? Thats inane. That would be like fitting artillery to a luxuriliner akin to Titanic and then sending it off to fight a war with a crapload of civillians on board. I get why the quarians want their homeworld but throwing people away doesnt quite seem logical. Sure people go to war over stupid things and make stupid tactical descitions but this one would rather take the cake.

Kal Reigar says it himself. "Have to fight smart. Ideally from orbit".

There is nothing "smart" about fitting guns to liveships. Even if you make weapons that have the longest possible effective range, its still not clever because any weaponized ship is a target.

In all fairness this might be just the typical hyperbole of a "blogger". I mean... today the triumvirate of logical fallacies are Youtube prophecy, blogs and scripture. Doubt much will have changed on the extranet. .