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[corporal doody]

The Idea of a Quarian Liveship with Big guns? I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE!

[Wulfram]

Reiella wrote...

The Council still suffers from war fatigue from the Rachni wars is my suspicion, and are far more willing to hope that their super spies can solve their problems without the war having to get hot.

More likely the opposite, I think.  They're so used to peace that a serious war is almost unthinkable.

(There's also the issue that in a true total war, civilian casualties are likely to be massive.  It's really a hell of a lot easier to have a dreadnought pound a planet back into the stone age than it would be to fight a ground war.)

[Reiella]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Reiella wrote...

The Council still suffers from war fatigue from the Rachni wars is my suspicion, and are far more willing to hope that their super spies can solve their problems without the war having to get hot.

-As far as I recall the Rachni wars was several hundred (2000?) years ago. Even the Krogan Rebellions was loong ago in a region of space far far away.

The Asari are fairly long lived.  However, now thinking about it, I suspect the Asari culture is one that one would lend itself to being anti-[galactic] war intrinsically rather than specifically being exhausted from war.

Now, more so, I imagine it's a case that folks just don't want to rattle the nest and get involved in something they see isn't their business when they have their own problems to deal [what species doesn't have to deal with the Merc armies?].

[Mr Theropod]

So now the Quarians are space Iranians?

[SandTrout]

Mr Theropod wrote...

So now the Quarians are space Iranians?

The correlations are there, but the Citadel's possition with the quarrians is a fair bit more precarious because the only people the Quarians have a stated intent to destroy is the Geth, who are a definite enemy of the Citadel as far as the Council is concerned.

Remember that the distinction between Heretic Geth and 'True' Geth is not widely known, nor is it particularly important because the Geth have demonstrated hostile intent towards organics even before the Geth Scism.

If the Geth were openly allied with the Citadel, then the situation would be far closer to the current Iranian one. That, however, is not the case.

[General User]

Wait... the Blue Suns, ruthless killers and warlords, apparently had the materials to build "dreadnaught-scale weaponry" and the Council was cool with that?

[Farbautisonn]

General User wrote...

Wait... the Blue Suns, ruthless killers and warlords, apparently had the materials to build "dreadnaught-scale weaponry" and the Council was cool with that?

The world was OK with NK building nukes? 

[General User]

Farbautisonn wrote...

General User wrote...

Wait... the Blue Suns, ruthless killers and warlords, apparently had the materials to build "dreadnaught-scale weaponry" and the Council was cool with that?

The world was OK with NK building nukes? 

No they are not.  Please elaborate.

[General User]

I have a very low opinion of this "Feyro Derlan." I mean the guy is so busy denouncing the quarians and he can't even be bothered to look up exactly how long their liveships are?  He doesn't sound like much of an expert to me.

Is this what passes for "journalism" from Diana Allers?  Quoting some loudmouth jerk with no real perspective like his opinions matter?  She's gonna have to do better than that if she wants a place on MY Normandy!

Modifié par General User, 20 février 2012 - 09:36 .

[Farbautisonn]

General User wrote...No they are not.  Please elaborate.

Blue Suns: Fringe group.
NK: Fringe nation.

Council: No sanctions against Blue Suns, no preemtive strikes to ensure they didnt reach Dreadnaught capabiity. Likely bogged down in committees and "fact finding missions".
UN: No effective sanctions against NK, No preemptive strikes to ensure they didnt reach Nuclear capability. Effective sanctions bogged down in committees and "fact finding missions".

Quarians see oppertunity to fetch dreadnaught class materials and have nothing to loose from doing so as they have been kicked out of the Citadel.

[Kwest253]

General User wrote...

I have a very low opinion of this "Feyro Derlan." I mean the guy is so busy denouncing the quarians and he can't even be bothered to look up exactly how long their liveships are?  He doesn't sound like much of an expert to me.

Is this what passes for "journalism" from Diana Allers?  Quoting some loudmouth jerk with no real perspective like his opinions matter?  She's gonna have to do better than that if she wants a place on MY Normandy!

From what I hear its going to be Ashley/Kaiden's Normandy lol. Then again I also hear that your spectre status will matter in this game. That's probably why it matters because if you do not have it then you will play second fiddle to Ashley or Kaiden. I have several Shepards some who ignored the Spectre status and some who gladly took it back.

[Wise Men]

I'm still unsure about why the Quarians don't have an embassy. Their knowledge of the Geth would prove useful to the council.

[General User]

Kwest253 wrote...

General User wrote...

I have a very low opinion of this "Feyro Derlan." I mean the guy is so busy denouncing the quarians and he can't even be bothered to look up exactly how long their liveships are?  He doesn't sound like much of an expert to me.

Is this what passes for "journalism" from Diana Allers?  Quoting some loudmouth jerk with no real perspective like his opinions matter?  She's gonna have to do better than that if she wants a place on MY Normandy!

From what I hear its going to be Ashley/Kaiden's Normandy lol. Then again I also hear that your spectre status will matter in this game. That's probably why it matters because if you do not have it then you will play second fiddle to Ashley or Kaiden. I have several Shepards some who ignored the Spectre status and some who gladly took it back.

Psshaww!

When Shepard talks to you, you feel like you're the only person in the room. When Shepard is in a room, that room feels like it's the only one in the building. When Shepard is on a ship that ship is Shepard's private yacht (and proud to be so!) no matter who is "in command"!

Modifié par General User, 20 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[Wulfram]

Possibly the Blue Suns didn't have the technical wizardry necessary. Or they lacked the oversized ships to mount the things on.

[SneakiestNeg]

The Alliance desperately needs specters.

[tobynator89]

General User wrote...

Wait... the Blue Suns, ruthless killers and warlords, apparently had the materials to build "dreadnaught-scale weaponry" and the Council was cool with that?

and they operate in the terminus system where council influence means jack S**t

[SandTrout]

The more practical reason that the Quarians are being more targeted than the blue suns is that the Quarians actually have ships of the scale necessary to support dreadnought-scale weaponry, while the Blue suns simply lack the logistical supplies necessary to construct such ships. It's doubtful that the Blue Suns use ships larger than Frigate class, let alone kilometer long dreadnoughts, simply because of the expense.

That said, the idea that a Liveship can be easily retrofitted with an axial mass accelerator cannon is questionable, at best, especially considering the risk to the Quarian population if something went wrong in the installation. Plainly put, the Liveships are too valuable to maintaining the Quarian population to risk conducting a major refit on.

[SandTrout]

tobynator89 wrote...

and they operate in the terminus system where council influence means jack S**t

The quarians are in the same boat here. Their embassy was expelled from the Citadel and they operate outside of Council authority.

[tobynator89]

SandTrout wrote...

tobynator89 wrote...

and they operate in the terminus system where council influence means jack S**t

The quarians are in the same boat here. Their embassy was expelled from the Citadel and they operate outside of Council authority.

but often in council space

[Ieldra]

SandTrout wrote...
That said, the idea that a Liveship can be easily retrofitted with an axial mass accelerator cannon is questionable, at best, especially considering the risk to the Quarian population if something went wrong in the installation. Plainly put, the Liveships are too valuable to maintaining the Quarian population to risk conducting a major refit on.

Indeed. That's what I thought when I read that stupid blogger's answer. A serious journalist should quote more reputable sources.

[General User]

Aye. That's the real story here. Diana Allers is a two-bit hack reporter.

Modifié par General User, 21 février 2012 - 02:12 .

[General User]

SandTrout wrote...

The more practical reason that the Quarians are being more targeted than the blue suns is that the Quarians actually have ships of the scale necessary to support dreadnought-scale weaponry, while the Blue suns simply lack the logistical supplies necessary to construct such ships. It's doubtful that the Blue Suns use ships larger than Frigate class, let alone kilometer long dreadnoughts, simply because of the expense.

The Blue Suns building and operating those weapons themselves are just one of the concerns.  They could always sell the components to someone who could.  The Terminus is full of factions and warlords of varying degrees of sophistication, not-to-mention sanity.  Crackpot dictators with their own WMD capable warships are never a good idea.

Modifié par General User, 21 février 2012 - 02:28 .

[General User]

tobynator89 wrote...

General User wrote...

Wait... the Blue Suns, ruthless killers and warlords, apparently had the materials to build "dreadnaught-scale weaponry" and the Council was cool with that?

and they operate in the terminus system where council influence means jack S**t

Not really.  Remember Ekuna?  Or the Spectres deployed to Garvug?  Or the Tai'Dani Raid? 

The Council routinely undertakes military and intelligence operations around and even within the Terminus Systems when they feel their interests are sufficently at stake.  Hell, the STG is constantly "balancing out" various Terminus warlords. 

The Terminus Systems are by no means a haven from the Council's reach.

[The_Real_Lee]

Jog0907 wrote...

The_Real_Lee wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

Xerxes52 wrote...

Well you see, since the quarians place themselves and their Flotilla outside the responsibilities of the Council's laws, wouldn't they inadvertently place themselves outside of its protections as well?

Anyone remember the Writ of Outlawry or Hostis Humani Generis? I doubt the quarians really want to open that can of worms.

Quarians have not been part of council space in any level whatsoever for the past 300 years, they already are outside the area where council laws applies, and such have no duty at all as an independent species to subject themselves to council controls, even more since those controls dont come with any advantage of being part of the council (protections as you said which they've been without for more than 3 centuries).

To think that the principles you talk about can be applied to the quarian fleet is completely idiotic. They would barely apply if the fleet acted inside council space but they dont.

Pretty sure the Quarians didn't view themselves within the Council's protection when the council refused to help them retake their homeworlds when they first lost it. Really, the Council doesn't seem to care at all about the Quarian's well being as a species.

Neither about most species really, the krogan werent a problem while they stayed away from asari colonies and only invaded other council species territories but only become a reason for total war when they took an asari colony.

Yeah, your right, before the Krogan Rebellions began the krogan invaded a few volus, elcor and hanar worlds, and that was just fine, but attack one that had an Asari on it?

WE MUST END THIS THREAT!