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[themaxzero]

22nd MadJack wrote...

East4u wrote...

Wow, you just don't get it. The OP wasn't talking about when you see them approaching you from far off in the distance. What the OP is suggesting are situations were they get the drop on you. For example, those platforms above us that we don't have access to but they do! That's the major problem. Once they are up close it's all over. I've seen one take out a whole squad on more then one occasion. Again, not because they were somewhere far off in the distance and no one tried to stop them but because they up close got a jump on the squad and took them out.

Roll.  Roll allows you to dodge every telegraphed attack for the duration you are a'rollin.  If you first become aware of the phantom when it has just bummed you with it's sword, then it's your own damn fault for such wanton tunnel vision.  It isn't hard to spot them coming, particularly when they are the only enemy with the purple health bar.  The target system will clock them even when they are behind stuff.

The singles you fight on bronze aren't bad. It's when you fight 3-4 at  time in silver on 6+ at a time in gold that it becomes a real problem.

[Chomposaur]

I didn't get to read all 8 pages, but just wanted to say that any of the 4 guys I play with can kill a phantom 1 on 1 when we play online, there not that powerful unless they suprise you. Never felt they were overpowered at all, Sentry Guns are far more annoying imo ( though still not overpowered ).

[Cyphen]

No they are not.

[Simbacca]

Phantoms are not overpowered at all.  Certain Vanguard specs can handle them, Infiltrators, Asari Adepts... I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting (max Concussive Shot Soldiers perhaps?).  Phantoms just encourage diverse teams.

Jackumzz wrote...

I can solo multiple with my vanguard in silver.

charge > nova > shotgun to the face.

Was about to post the same thing, except I go Nova -> Charge -> Shotgun

Gave Nova the rank 6 barrier/shield/armor destroying upgraded.

[Tazzmission]

eeeeeeeeeeer i agree that they are over powered. also they can be a bit annoying

[Beatrix Tair]

Simbacca wrote...

Phantoms are not overpowered at all.  Certain Vanguard specs can handle them, Infiltrators, Asari Adepts... I'm sure there's others I'm forgetting (max Concussive Shot Soldiers perhaps?).  Phantoms just encourage diverse teams.

Jackumzz wrote...

I can solo multiple with my vanguard in silver.

charge > nova > shotgun to the face.

Was about to post the same thing, except I go Nova -> Charge -> Shotgun

Gave Nova the rank 6 barrier/shield/armor destroying upgraded.

Barrier Charge -> Heavy Melee

Done :3.

[Thoragoros]

Using the Human Vanguard, I have been able to take the Phantom on my own. Edit: As others have said, basically charge, nova, shotgun/melee.

Using the Soldier, I take a few shots, then either stunning the Phaonton with Concussive Shot or Carnage, and then rush in with my own melee attack. If the Phanton doesn't go down, it will still be close to death and another member of the team will be able t finish it off

In other words, definitly not overpowered.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 19 février 2012 - 02:59 .

[Eclipse merc]

I hate being caught alone with one. They always instakill me...

[Roros5e]

I find them to be fine once you get to know them a bit, but I wouldn't be opposed to adjusting (or outright removing them) for Bronze.
Some of my friends who have practically never played a multiplayer game before seem to find it a complete party pooper when we are having fun shooting basic guys and then suddenly someone gets skewered up the bum out of nowhere.

I like them on my Sentinel since they are one of the few guys that live long enough for me to do a warp+throw detonation on them, possibly killing others in the process.

[Drake-Shepard]

stasis, widow to the head..
while my team deal with other stuff

With randoms...i managed to take out a phantom with a level 1 sentinel with my pistol. was an epic one on one.

[Pinkflu]

Phantoms are fine as they are. They're the only enemy that offers any challenge. Unless I'm on my Asari Adept. In which case, they're cake.

[legion999]

They vary. At times they've wiped out my entire team at the end of a round and other times they've went down instantly.

[Ultermarto]

 Actually I really like phantoms and other tough-nuggets that I'd normally consider annoying. Phantoms are a particular threat, if you let them get close enough. They're one of the enemies that actually maks me panic a little, that forces me to really think about what I'm doing. No, it's not like I don't have a chance at all against them, it's not like I get extremely annoyed when they kill me. I'm fine with Phantoms.

That said, I play with a Shotgun, and they seem to be the most effective weapons against Phantoms. Is it something that needs to be considered for Snipers and Pistols and such?

[Arppis]

ForgottenWarrior wrote...

They are easy to kill for adepts. Stasis them>few shots with Carnifex. Every other classes shouldn't fight tjem alone. Run from them, make them follow you. Bring them to other squadmembers - chances to defeat them would be higher.

Easy to kill as any other class, you don't have to be adept to be able to pull it off. You just need to find a way.

eye basher wrote...

With the soldier
1.distance
2.frag
3.shoot
4.profit.

Naw, no need to frag them, just spam concusion shot and they can't do anything while you shoot at them. Easy

Zkyire wrote...

I Biotic Charged a Phantom yesterday
thinking I'd just do what I always to do them: Biotic Charge -> Heavy
Melee -> Shoot -> Biotic Charge = win.


..soon as she recovered from the charge she stabbed me in the gut.

Definitely made me a bit more wary of them for future fights.

Trick is to move back right after and keep shooting. Never give them a chance to stab you and they shouldn't if you got shields. Did you do Nova or got your shield insta shoted down?

Modifié par Arppis, 19 février 2012 - 04:30 .

[Haventh]

Ultermarto wrote...

 Actually I really like phantoms and other tough-nuggets that I'd normally consider annoying. Phantoms are a particular threat, if you let them get close enough. They're one of the enemies that actually maks me panic a little, that forces me to really think about what I'm doing. No, it's not like I don't have a chance at all against them, it's not like I get extremely annoyed when they kill me. I'm fine with Phantoms.

That said, I play with a Shotgun, and they seem to be the most effective weapons against Phantoms. Is it something that needs to be considered for Snipers and Pistols and such?

I have killed them fine with my Soldier, Adept, Engineer and Vanguard (I haven't met any on my Infiltrator yet, nor my Sentinel).

[Cossack72]

My tried and true Infiltrator strategy:

1. Cloak

2. Headshot

Repeat until you have a headless Phantom

Alternative strategy:

Stasis + Widow = Easy mode

Modifié par Cossack72, 19 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[Arppis]

Cossack72 wrote...

My tried and true Infiltrator strategy:

1. Cloak

2. Headshot

Repeat until you have a headless Phantom

Alternative strategy:

Stasis + Widow = Easy mode

Dang, I've been thinking of creating infiltrator, but I've always found my Vanguard or Soldier to be too much fun to fully try other classes (plus they ALWAYS get me the no.1 score and get me trough tough spots).

[Crackseed]

Rule 1 of Phantom Club - Never take your eyes off the Phantom!

[Beatrix Tair]

crackseed wrote...

Rule 1 of Phantom Club - Never take your eyes off the Phantom!

What if it pops cloak?

...

:3

[sayersybrfc]

Asari Adept, Stasis, Warp, Shoot.

[Crackseed]

Beatrix Tair wrote...

crackseed wrote...

Rule 1 of Phantom Club - Never take your eyes off the Phantom!

What if it pops cloak?

...

:3

You can actually see it even when cloaked. There is a ripple outline and you can pull it out of cloak by AOEing the area or shooting it directly. I've killed alot of Phantoms this way - she'll panic, cloak and she keeps moving in the same direction + the hazy outline and wham, kill her off still. Especially if I'm F-charging with my Krogan xD

Modifié par crackseed, 19 février 2012 - 04:55 .

[East4u]

22nd MadJack wrote...

East4u wrote...

Wow, you just don't get it. The OP wasn't talking about when you see them approaching you from far off in the distance. What the OP is suggesting are situations were they get the drop on you. For example, those platforms above us that we don't have access to but they do! That's the major problem. Once they are up close it's all over. I've seen one take out a whole squad on more then one occasion. Again, not because they were somewhere far off in the distance and no one tried to stop them but because they up close got a jump on the squad and took them out.

Roll.  Roll allows you to dodge every telegraphed attack for the duration you are a'rollin.  If you first become aware of the phantom when it has just bummed you with it's sword, then it's your own damn fault for such wanton tunnel vision.  It isn't hard to spot them coming, particularly when they are the only enemy with the purple health bar.  The target system will clock them even when they are behind stuff.

A true example here folks of not understanding the situation or example I've provided.  It has nothing to do with roll because currently roll is broken/bound with cover so that don't help .   Again, let me make it clear to you, when you see them there is no problem.  It's when you don't see them and they spawn close to you is when the problem occurs.  So what does roll have to do with it? Nothing at all.  In most/all cases once it starts it's melee it's done in combos which is all it takes. 

Modifié par East4u, 19 février 2012 - 05:02 .