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[Tripedius]

Some people will always be negative esp in the way they remember it. They could have played for 60 hours but in their experience it was short, so it was probably more like 30 hours (esp since finding your way, doing pointless things and reading lore and stuff apparently doesn't count. But I think you could spend 30 hours with actually reading and listening to everything and doing silly stuff like watching all the dog interactions in camp or listen to all the rumors from the innkeepers).

On the other hand, old things always seemed better. BGII was awesome but had it's own difficulties. There were unfinished storylines, pointless catch and carry quests, lots of spelling errors, balancing etc. But people now find it the absolute standard and a game this new game can not hold up to.

This doesnt say there isnt critism on doa (current DLC, balance, etc) but its a great game and I definitely hope that DOA2 will be the absolute classic. Constructive feedback will do that, purely negative meaningless comments won't. If devellopers think people are being unrealistic they won't change a thing, but if the loving comunnity sincerly thinks things could be better, they will probably work on it (ofc with costs/profits in mind). On that matter: it could be just a bit longer (although this is good but not best) and their could be more free roaming. Also I liked in BGII that you could walk into some place, get kicked and think 'well maybe in a level or 4'.

Modifié par Tripedius, 24 novembre 2009 - 05:49 .

[Pinnatus]

See John Gabriel's "Greater Internet ******* Theory".



On a serious note, I've been enjoying the game too much to really note the complaints; I've had a couple of irksome moments with bugs or going from a series of well-balanced encounters to zomgthedoomoftheworldisuponyouihopeyousaved, but by and large I've been truly enjoying myself.



I think I can sum up how fun the game is by pointing out that for at least 2 days running, I went to get a glass of water while playing and was shocked that it was after 3 AM. >.>

[thisisme8]

Darht Jayder wrote...

If people hate this game so much and go out of their way to post a billion comments about their dislikes.......why not just trade it in, get another game, and stop wasting everyone's time and their own energy.  If it was a truly crap game...I could understand it, but it is a great game and play it in the spirit for which it is intended......story driven RPG with an incredibly immersive world.

Kudos to the guys who make fabulous games like this and take so much crap from whiners!

p.s....If you don't like DLC don't buy it and shut up.

I think most of the negative blithering is coming from people who actually think DA:O is a singleplayer MMO.  It's why you see words like "balance" and "broken."  It's also why you see 99% of all class comparisons based off of DPS.

For my own amusement, here is what I like to call the continuous forum cycle.

"Mages are OP, the game's too easy!"
So play another class, how about a 2H warrior?
"2H is terrible DPS and the talents don't add DPS, it's broken!  DPS!"
So play something else.
"I don't want to play something else, I want to play a mage!"
So play a mage.
"Mages are OP, the game's too easy!"
With well over 20 spells to choose from, why don't you make a different kind of mage?
"Why would I do that? I have to pick the best spells! Mages are OP, the game's too easy!"


Edit:  Truth be told, a lot of the mage spells are the best spells...

Modifié par thisisme8, 24 novembre 2009 - 06:05 .

[Avispex]

I think there are a couple of things driving this.



First, many people come here as fans of Bioware and of Dragon Age, but have experienced something frustrating or disappointing or confusing in game and want to bring it up in the hopes of either getting it fixed, explained, acknowledged, etc. I have seen many, many people do this thoughtfully, respectfully, and constructively only to hav etheir threads instantly swarmed by mindless fanbois screaming "The game is perfect. How dare you come here not to lick its feet! Why don't you just leave. Your comments aren't welcome in this fanboi forum." At that point, the initial respect and consideration goes out the window and people need to become more aggressive simply to articulate an opinion amid the mindless throng.



Secondly, some people have such high expectations and such emotional investment that they do not approach this from an even keel and get unhinged pretty quickly about targeting problems or vague spell descriptions, etc. There are aspects of this game that just seem "off" when compared to the expectations fans of Bioware have and that creates some strange reactions.



Thirdly, some people are just whiny idiots.

[aidron]

I have to admit that I have never seen such open hostility over a game on its very own forums than with DA: O. Perhaps it is because people had such high expectations? Perhaps it is because they had been looking forward to it for so long? In some cases they seem to be passionately concerned about the welfare of the game in regards to their own enjoyment, but most often it just comes across as needlessly hostile and tragically self-entitled.

I too had great expectations about DA: O. I have not finished my first playthrough yet, so I cannot say if it has lived up to those or not. Overall, I'm enjoying the game immensely. There are some things, naturally, that I find less than desireable. The length being one of them, because no matter if I clock 300 hours on my first playthrough, I want more because I'm having such a great time!

There are other design choices I disagree with, I suppose. I wish there were more quickslots (I have the quickbar extended as far as it will go) and that the side quests did not involve so many job boards.

Regardless, such hostilities as I have seen here are off-putting and counter-productive. I refuse to read posts concerning DLC (unless it's to announce a new one to see if I might be interested), balance issues, and other such topics as I have yet to read one that did not leave a bad taste in my mouth entirely brought about by the sheer immaturity and sadistic attitudes of the consumers. Call me weird, but those who act in such a manner should be ashamed of themselves - anonyminity of the internet or not you still know you acted like complete douche bag.

And with that, I return to enjoying DA: O and my usual docile nature.

[metatrans]

internet forums are easily trolled. thats basically all the explanation given.



i try to mostly post helpful things in threads where people ask for help. i completely agree with much of what has been brought up as various balance issues and flaws but i just have no desire to nerd-rage about it.



the game as a whole is excellent. one of the best of all time for its genre. the high quality of the game makes its comparatively minor flaws stand out that much more. when we see something so close to perfection it bothers us that much more that it isn't quite perfect.

[-Warped-]

I don't understand all the apologists. If no one complained there would be no improvement.

[addiction21]

-Warped- wrote...

I don't understand all the apologists. If no one complained there would be no improvement.

Theres a difference between complaining and constructive criticism's.

One is akin to a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum in the toy store because they did not get what they wanted.

The other involves criticle thought and a objective eye.

[Andat]

Flaming is why I tend not to visit internet forums, and don't think it's exclusive to Dragon Age, either.  When Kohan 2 was in beta, there were a load of old Kohan fans posting that the new game, ahem, wasn't very good - if you asked them what was wrong with it, they retreated behind the NDA.  The bile didn't let up, with the forum being spammed with everything from personal attacks to attempts to get players to give up Kohan 2 in favour of the older game.  When dual weapons was requested by someone on the Mount & Blade forum, the vitriol was actually kind of scary.

And mix in that most annoying of internet creature: the bragger with its natural call of  "I finished the entire game with every side quest in 3 and a half minutes with one character and I did the whole thing with one arm tied behind my back, whilst eating a banana sandwich and having a small Tibetan monkey constantly hitting me on the head with a small rock hammer.  So there. (Sorry, no evidence or anything to back up my outrageous claims and blatant lies)".

The game isn't perfect, to be sure, but it's pretty damn good.  (BTW, one piece of constructive feedback - I know at least one person who doesn't like the DLC, though rather than flame on the forums, he probably just won't buy the game).

[Sloozebury]

The game itself is great... it's all the techincal issues that are killing it for me.

[Walina]

Darht Jayder wrote...

If people hate this game so much and go out of their way to post a billion comments about their dislikes.......why not just trade it in, get another game, and stop wasting everyone's time and their own energy.  If it was a truly crap game...I could understand it, but it is a great game and play it in the spirit for which it is intended......story driven RPG with an incredibly immersive world.

Kudos to the guys who make fabulous games like this and take so much crap from whiners!

p.s....If you don't like DLC don't buy it and shut up.

Well probably because thy liked the game in general but really hate many points in it or they're annoyed how newspaper overrated the game in their opinion

[Taltherion]

I finished the game yesterday for the first time, took me about 80 hours.



And I must say: Over the last couple of years, I have seldom been entertained so well for 80 hours ... of course there are things that I wish would be different. Of course, I think there should have been more of that or less of that. I still don't like all the blood. Sometimes I would have liked other dialogue choices and so on ...



But if I look at the big picture: a great, great game ... absolutely a deserved "90%+" in my book.



Maybe I like it so much because I more or less knew what to expect: a story-driven, linear RPG (you still have choices that influence parts of the game, but all in all, it's linear, which is not so bad - if you want a great story, it more or less must be linear) with micro-management combat.



And I absolutely agree that it's the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. Not in the area of graphics, ruleset/character classes or level design, but in the area of story, memorable companions, party and party interaction and combat (and those things made Baldur's Gate in my opionion).

[Sloth Of Doom]

addiction21 wrote...

-Warped- wrote...

I don't understand all the apologists. If no one complained there would be no improvement.

Theres a difference between complaining and constructive criticism's.

One is akin to a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum in the toy store because they did not get what they wanted.

The other involves criticle thought and a objective eye.

+1, have a waffle.

[BucktheElder]

Well, I too am getting the 3AM shock. Its been awhile since I have had that type of immersion and I'm enjoying it. My biggest complaint is on the loot itemization. Specifically, not enough variety, I am drowning in health potions. I would like to see more coin loot so you can stock yourself the way you want to. The over abundance of jewel stones is really not necessary if they would just put more coin on the bodies. Also, make the loot logical for the kill and for the difficulty of the kill. Enough for now, time to resume the game.

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

-Warped- wrote...

I don't understand all the apologists. If no one complained there would be no improvement.

Theres a difference between complaining and constructive criticism's.

One is akin to a spoiled brat throwing a temper tantrum in the toy store because they did not get what they wanted.

The other involves criticle thought and a objective eye.

+1, have a waffle.

Only one? Well, I will try...

[Aprudena Gist]

because people want to like the game but then they go and do stupid things that make you want to wish you had not bought the game and get a refund but its impossible in this day and age of computer software after you purchased it you will never get a refund

[addiction21]

Aprudena Gist wrote...

because people want to like the game but then they go and do stupid things that make you want to wish you had not bought the game and get a refund but its impossible in this day and age of computer software after you purchased it you will never get a refund

When has it ever been possible to get a refund for computer software that you have allready opened and installed?

[Aprudena Gist]

addiction21 wrote...

Aprudena Gist wrote...

because people want to like the game but then they go and do stupid things that make you want to wish you had not bought the game and get a refund but its impossible in this day and age of computer software after you purchased it you will never get a refund

When has it ever been possible to get a refund for computer software that you have allready opened and installed?

Back when you were allowed to return software if it didn't work not just exchanged it for another copy of the same software or instore credit that used to happen before people abused the system.

But now with these companies tying things to cd-key's and online systems you can't even resell it if you dont like it your stuck with it and its totally useless after you register it once.

[StuartMarshall]

I imagine the devs would welcome constructive criticism. How else will they get fan feedback to implement into future games? DA:O is one of the best RPGs of the decade but isn't without it's faults. The people who come here to troll-complain are different but are usually shut up quick enough.

[Yukon Jake]

It seems like many of the younger generation gamers don't realize the amount of time and effort that goes into creating these games.  On that note...

http://andrewneely.p...-going-to-space

[ArcanistLibram]

Darht Jayder wrote...
p.s....If you don't like DLC don't buy it and shut up.

I like DLC that's not crap. If people buy DLC that is crap, it gives Bioware less incentive to produce quality DLC. So yeah, I'll keep complaining until I no longer have a reason to.

[SheffSteel]

The problem is that the game is both original and good.

WoW fans have noticed a lot of jarring dissimilarities to what they're used to - no respec, no grinding, all sorts of zOMG OP DPS balance issues... but old school RPGers are in a similar situation - no D&D ruleset with accompanying standard "1d6 + 1d6 per three levels" spell descriptions, no big expansion pack... and fans of other modern RPGs have a quite steep learning curve ahead of them too - this game doesn't have the immersion or free play characteristics of Oblivion and it doesn't have the folk-tale atmosphere and characters of The Witcher either. Essentially pretty much everyone will find in this game something unusual, surprising, upsetting, or a combination thereof.

Why do people care so much?
Because the game is good.

It 's good enough that players want it to be better, want it to match their hopes and expectations... want it, in short, to be perfect. If it were a character model, it would be slap bang in the middle of the Uncanny Valley. People compare it not with mediocrity but with their ideals... and that's why every disappointment means so much.

Modifié par SheffSteel, 24 novembre 2009 - 07:43 .

[FrankE62]

Darht Jayder wrote...

If people hate this game so much and go out of their way to post a billion comments about their dislikes.......why not just trade it in, get another game, and stop wasting everyone's time and their own energy.  If it was a truly crap game...I could understand it, but it is a great game and play it in the spirit for which it is intended......story driven RPG with an incredibly immersive world.

Kudos to the guys who make fabulous games like this and take so much crap from whiners!

p.s....If you don't like DLC don't buy it and shut up.

The alternative is usually much worse. If you stop by a game forum and nobody's complaining it usually means one of two things. Either the game is dead and everyone's moved on other than the hardcore fanboys or the game is in such bad shape that they have to delete all negative threads to hide the fact that things are seriously screwed up. So be happy that people are ****ing!