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[Sloth Of Doom]

Yukon Jake wrote...

It seems like many of the younger generation gamers don't realize the amount of time and effort that goes into creating these games.  On that note...

http://andrewneely.p...-going-to-space

Awesome link.

[MartinJHolm]

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

[Sloth Of Doom]

MartinJHolm wrote...

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

ur postz is suk!

Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.

[I Valente I]

Gecon wrote...


I'm quite certain that a Baldurs Gate forum wouldnt have been more positive than this one.

It wasn't. I remember the Baldur's Gate II forums just after release, there was a lot of people furious about this or that..."this is nothing compared to BG!" little things. Generally, don't take forums right after release very seriously. Yes some issues are brought to attention, but also minor problems are severly magnified or call game-breaking etc.

For reference, Mass Effect, Kotor, Morrowind, Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate 2 all had the same negativity right after release, all of these games are considered, by me, to be some of the best rpg's of all time.

[xcorps]

[quote]Sloth Of Doom wrote...

[quote]MartinJHolm wrote...

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Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.
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How bout when the whining and name calling start in the subject line

[Ghandorian]

One of the funniest things about most of the negativity is how the game is too hard. You guys should take that as a compliment. Thanks for challenging us! All the mods so far are all about making characters stronger or carry more so it is easier to play. People are trying to dumb things down and speed up the play-through. You obviously exceeded a lot of peoples expectations and rocked a few boats as well.

[Ghandorian]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

ur postz is suk!

Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.

I think the dust will settle soon enough. I noticed some more active moderation and there have probably been a few people removed from the forums.

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

ur postz is suk!

Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.

I can only hope they will be distracted and wonder off by all the new shiny shiny things that are coming up this holiday season.

[Sloth Of Doom]

addiction21 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

ur postz is suk!

Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.

I can only hope they will be distracted and wonder off by all the new shiny shiny things that are coming up this holiday season.

Like you and waffles? 

[FlatCat]

Ghandorian wrote...

One of the funniest things about most of the negativity is how the game is too hard. You guys should take that as a compliment. Thanks for challenging us! All the mods so far are all about making characters stronger or carry more so it is easier to play. People are trying to dumb things down and speed up the play-through. You obviously exceeded a lot of peoples expectations and rocked a few boats as well.

There's a difference between good difficulty and fake difficulty.  The game is littered with trap choices that can seriously screw you over due to lack of balance. 

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

I miss the god old Bioware forum where debates could sometimes be heated but you never found a bunch of threads like "Stamina sucks" and such, back then people could actually express themselves in a sensible and coherent manner.

ur postz is suk!

Also, I happen to agree with you.  There is nothing wrong with differring opinons, but when things devolve into namecalling and pure whining withing the first three posts you know there is something seriously wrong.

I can only hope they will be distracted and wonder off by all the new shiny shiny things that are coming up this holiday season.

Like you and waffles? 

While they might distract me for a time, I do not sacrifice the other enjoyable things in life in pursuit of waffles.

[Bluesmith]

I hate to play devil's advocate so transparently, but...

I think some - maybe most - of the criticism in this thread is a little unfair. Just a cursory reading of it has led me to believe that many of those bemoaning the complainers haven't actually looked at the complaint threads they deride. Truth be told, many, many so-called "whiner" posts are lengthy analyses and bulleted lists, often complete with insightful information and suggestions by people who have spent a great deal of time with the game. Some of us - myself included - have combed through the ability scripts, made changes, and playtested them, to better judge DAO's current balance scheme. Indeed, it's only been about two weeks and balance mods designed around community opinion and feedback are already seeing release.

It's a little sad to see people up in arms over the fact that many of us realize that improvement is always an option. If anything, I think of myself as an optimist. Bioware is a big boy, it can defend itself.

Ghandorian wrote...

One of the funniest things about most of the negativity is how the game is too hard. You guys should take that as a compliment. Thanks for challenging us! All the mods so far are all about making characters stronger or carry more so it is easier to play. People are trying to dumb things down and speed up the play-through. You obviously exceeded a lot of peoples expectations and rocked a few boats as well.

This is demonstrably false. Several mods exist to make the game harder; indeed, I daresay the majority (if not entirety) of balance-based and gameplay effect mods are about increasing difficulty via the implementation of potion cooldowns, nerfs to spells, adjustment upwards of enemy resists, and more. You're likely referring to armor and weapon additions, which naturally lend themselves to overpoweredness.

[montana_boy]

Gabochido wrote...

Its ok to post negative feedback. Sometimes we can explain why something works the way it works and we can always listen and consider ideas for our future products. It would be nice if people weren't so aggressive though, but is seems there will always be people like that in anonymous forums.

Hey this jumped out of your post...  ... always be people like that in anonymous forums.

Anonymous?  Hells Bells.  I feel like everybody is behind my back and looking over my shoulder anytime I am on your forums.  This why I never liked football.

Everytime the players huddle up on the field I know they are talking about me.  

[HorkaThane]

Some people who see something the majority likes through themselves into the antagonist role to become the center of attention. They need people to recognize their opinions and are probably lonely.

[kevinblue360]

You know, there is posting negative feedback, and down right disrespect. That is what ticks me off.

[71Zarathustra71]

To be fair, virtually every new game forum is exactly the same. Fanboys invest an enormous amount of expectation into a game, be it because of the company making it, or because it is a sequel and when it fails to deliver in the exact way that they expect it sends them over the edge into a hissy fit.



There are still people to this day sat on GTA 4 boards whining about how San Andreas was better. It was released 18 months ago for God's sake.



Only a true fanboy will be so hurt by a game's 'betrayal' that he will never accept it. In a bizarre twist of logic, they will attack defenders of the game as fanboys for not hating the game with a passion because of some slight variation on a previous game.

[AshedMan]

I don't get all the negativity either. This is a an RPG player's dream come true.

[addiction21]

Bluesmith wrote...

I hate to play devil's advocate so transparently, but...

I think some - maybe most - of the criticism in this thread is a little unfair. Just a cursory reading of it has led me to believe that many of those bemoaning the complainers haven't actually looked at the complaint threads they deride. Truth be told, many, many so-called "whiner" posts are lengthy analyses and bulleted lists, often complete with insightful information and suggestions by people who have spent a great deal of time with the game. Some of us - myself included - have combed through the ability scripts, made changes, and playtested them, to better judge DAO's current balance scheme. Indeed, it's only been about two weeks and balance mods designed around community opinion and feedback are already seeing release.

It's a little sad to see people up in arms over the fact that many of us realize that improvement is always an option. If anything, I think of myself as an optimist. Bioware is a big boy, it can defend itself.

No those well thought out and written threads filled with "constructive critically thought out criticisms" are welcomed and usually enjoyed.  Especialy when you can not find a statement like "before the fanboy come and rage" or "if you disagree with my opnions you are a moron/fanboy".  They are enjoyed and well debated.

To bad those threads and the posts contained with said threads are the minority.

Then there are those that just get angry because someone dares to disagree or "play devils advocate (a role I do enjoy)"  If you do not want to hear (or see in the case of online forums) opposing arguements and thoughts then you need to keep your damned mouth shut.

[-Warped-]

Criticism leads to improvement.

[Xarne]

Hey I been playing games since Ultima IV and BioWare games since Baldur's Gate and I have to say, there is something about this one that is a cut above the others and not just in technology.

There are things in this game that *really* pull you in.

A big part of it is definitely in the story/voice acting. Characters seem very very fleshed out.

The situations are, as promised, very grey. They got rid of this whole black/white ethical crap and the only real penalty is the acceptance of your companions and they dont have to be there (most times) if you dont want them to see it unfold.

From the Landsmeet to the end, things start feeling really climactic:

Everyone pulling to your side against Loghain

Hordes of 1-shot mobs make you feel like you're at your peak of power.

The final battle speech, Ferelden's armies cheering you on into the final battle.

The final good byes before the last battle

and the chance to see everyone one last time before 'meeting your fans'

Really nice touches. Shows a lot of polish.



Anyway, none of that has anything to do with this thread. I did find it funny that after 10yrs of forum browsing, this exact type of thread is always asked, in every forum, about every single game ever made.

[Sloth Of Doom]

-Warped- wrote...

Criticism leads to improvement.

No, CONSTRUCTIVE criticism leads to improvement.  Being a bish just leads to being a bish and helps nobody, which is rather the point of this thread.