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[ItsFreakinJesus]

http://io9.com/58861...-our-generation

It's a really good read, IMO.

[Han Shot First]

The OP's link

I'm not sure I agree with all of his points, but it is an interesting read.

[Gabey5]

"why it's the most important scifi franchise of our generation"

what is "our generation"?

Because it has much competition in that regard and mass effect while good does not come close to say star trek and is a rips of or is "inspired by" other series.

It also does not help that the protaginist is a generic space marine


It is a good series but that article overstates its case and reeks of someone who does not know sci fi or has not experienced much of it

Modifié par Gabey5, 18 février 2012 - 08:43 .

[Herewegoagain]

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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 18 février 2012 - 08:37 .

[ItsFreakinJesus]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm preeeeeetty sure there was already a thread on this a couple hours ago.

I assumed so after the fact.  I did just get home from work, after all.  And everything is old on the internet.

Gabey5 wrote...

"why it's the most important scifi franchise of our generation"

what is "our generation"?

Because
it has much competition in that regard and mass effect while good does
not come close to say star trek and is a rips of or is "inspired by"
other series.

It is a good series but that article overstates its
case and reeks of someone who does not know sci fi or has not
experienced much of it

Star Trek was made in the 60's.  It's not our generation.  Unless you're 40 or something.

Modifié par ItsFreakinJesus, 18 février 2012 - 08:43 .

[Gabey5]

the latest trek was in the 2000s

the brand is long running. Many grew up on 90s trek tng/voy/ds9

[wijse]

Apparently people aren't reading any sci fi books, if they claim that the mass effect universe is the best thing ever that has happened to sci fi. Its so full of cliches and mediocre writing.

[Hydralisk]

Good read.

Mass Effect really does make you think...

[bboynexus]

What is 'mediocre writing'?

As the article correctly points out, Mass Effect posits some of the most intriguing ideas circulating contemporary Science Fiction. Whatever you might think of 'dialogue' or 'characterizations' is largely irrelevant.

[double02]

Well, I just hopped online, so thank you for the link.

[Dr. rotinaj]

What a pretentious load of crap.

" Then there is Cerberus, the seemingly omniscient conspiratorial agency responsible for Shepard's resurrection, that is, at its core, driven by the Illusive Man's inability to accept that human beings are a middling species in the galaxy. Mass Effect portrays our species from the perspective of the established species in the universe: we are fumbling neophytes with FTL drives."

Inability to accept that human beings are a middling species? Judging by humanity's accomplishments in the past 30 years, I think they are more than just a middling species. They get on the Council after ME1 for goodness' sake!

Honestly, where the hell is he getting this "human's are insignificant" stuff? The "humans are special" thing has been rammed down our throats since ME1.

[Inquisitor Recon]

In my usual eloquence, this seems like a load of pretentious nonsense to me.

What made Star Wars A New Hope great? It wasn't diversity, or philosophy, or etc. What made Alien/Aliens great? It wasn't the fact that the hero was female.

It's always about the story, the hero's struggle, the motives in the background, all of that. That is what makes a franchise great or otherwise. You watched Star Trek for the stories and adventures of the crew, not for a philosophical lesson/opinion by whoever that episode's writer was.

You do have things like the Genesis Project in Star Trek or Project Overlord in Mass Effect. These explore raise questions in very "grey" areas of morality and are interesting concepts. Yet one doesn't change their life because of such ideas like the author of this article suggests.

In the end the philosophical ideas and questions of morality are something in the background, something that liberal arts majors can write TL;DR articles about, and somehow making a living from. But that's not what you remember and take away from the experience.

You can go ahead and think there is some great message in whatever conclusions this writer made from Mass Effect, but whatever lasting impressions the franchise has will not be determined by such things.

Added: Pretentious, yes that is the word I was looking for Dr.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 18 février 2012 - 09:24 .

[StarcloudSWG]

It's the first to bring a truly not-human-or-humanwithfunnybitsontheforehead galaxy to life, in popular culture. There's value to that. And it's the first to not present humans as being innately the most important or popular.

Sure there's many science fiction novels where that's true. Most people will never have read those novels, though. Far more will have heard of Mass Effect.

[Han Shot First]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Star Trek was made in the 60's.  It's not our generation.  Unless you're 40 or something.

Which Star Trek?

The Next Generation and DS9 were both on TV in the '90s, which isn't exactly ancient history. Star Trek: Voyager kicked off in the mid 90s and ended in 2001 or so, and Star Trek: Enterpise ended in 2005.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 février 2012 - 09:17 .

[Dr. rotinaj]

ReconTeam wrote...

In my usual eloquence, this seems like a load of nonsense to me.

What made Star Wars A New Hope great? It wasn't diversity, or philosophy, or . What made Alien/Aliens great? It wasn't the fact that the hero was female.

It's always about the story, the hero's struggle, the motives in the background, all of that. That is what makes a franchise great or otherwise. You watched Star Trek for the stories and adventures of the crew, not for a philosophical lesson/opinion by whoever that episode's writer was.

You do have things like the Genesis Project in Star Trek or Project Overlord in Mass Effect. These explore raise questions in very "grey" areas of morality and are interesting concepts. Yet one doesn't change their life because of such ideas like the author of this article suggests.

In the end the philosophical ideas and questions of morality are something in the background, something that liberal arts majors can write TL;DR articles about, and somehow making a living from. But that's not what you remember and take away from the experience.

You can go ahead and think there is some great message in whatever conclusions this writer made from Mass Effect, but whatever lasting impressions the franchise has will not be determined by such things.

Added: Pretentious, yes that is the word I was looking for Dr.

This x1000. Couldn't of said it better.

[bboynexus]

ReconTeam wrote...

You can go ahead and think there is some great message in whatever conclusions this writer made from Mass Effect, but whatever lasting impressions the franchise has will not be determined by such things.

Added: Pretentious, yes that is the word I was looking for Dr.

Who are you speaking for?

[Adrenaline Junkie]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

It's the first to bring a truly not-human-or-humanwithfunnybitsontheforehead galaxy to life, in popular culture. There's value to that. And it's the first to not present humans as being innately the most important or popular.

Wait, what?

[RVallant]

Han Shot First wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Star Trek was made in the 60's.  It's not our generation.  Unless you're 40 or something.

Which Star Trek?

The Next Generation and DS9 were both on TV in the '90s, which isn't exactly ancient history. Star Trek: Voyager kicked off in the mid 90s and ended in 2001 or so, and Star Trek: Enterpise ended in 2005.

This. My "generation" (I'm in my 20's hoo-yah!) grew up around TNG, DSN and Babylon Five. Or I did anyway.

It's a good article though. If I had one point of contention it's that cosmicology is all fun and games but when you realise every species in the ME galaxy is some 'element' of humanity taken to an extreme then, for all intents and purposes there are no real 'species' out there except humans and its offshoots. In short, there will never be a true story of that effect because it would require an 'alien' species made by an alien species, or beyond the realms of human imagination for now.

But, I'm probably thinking too deeply on that issue so, lets just say its a good article.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Good read. Regardless of the facts, I believe Mass Effect has the overall better vision/premise than both Star Trek and Star Wars.

[Clearly Balkan]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

http://io9.com/58861...-our-generation

It's a really good read, IMO.

Awesome read. Thank you very much for this link.

[Chapity]

It's a pretty good read, if a bit heavy handed. I wouldn't put it at "greatest" by any stretch (I've read dune and Enders game to the end and this universe isn't nearly as fleshed out), but most compelling I would agree with. I think the author did go into it's origins quite well (cthulu is so missed though) and did point out something I've screamed for a while about a lot of different franchises, don't just show us the evil and then not explain it's depth, stare the devil in the eye and show us the consequences, and this franchise does that remarkably well. Unfortunatly, the author only uses lovecrafts "cosmolosism" as the only philosophy. Dude, this game runs the gammit of philosophies and isms (Nietche's superman, fuco's deontology, hiedegerian inventory, Kant's categorical imperative, Hobbs nilism, even a little John Stuart Mill and John Loche) and using a horror writer as your analysis is silliness and misses so many things.

[tetrisblock4x1]

It didn't even make it to ME2 before Bioware sold out, so no.