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[ironhammer40]

These are my two favourite weapons, anything like them in the game?

[JMOR]

Not in those categories exactly, although I'm sure some swords will take on the physical appearance of them.

[Hockey Beard]

You could always use the toolset to mod them in...

[Saumy]

Isnt a bastard sword similar to a Two-handed sword? Doesnt the game have two handed weapons?

[Hockey Beard]

Technically the Bastard Sword is a "one and a half" sword...meaning that the hilt has room enough for one and a half hands.

[Saumy]

all i asked was isnt it similar .. lol

[back pain]

Hockey Beard wrote...



Technically the Bastard Sword is a "one and a half" sword...meaning that the hilt has room enough for one and a half hands.

Nope, it means that the hilt has room for two hands however the blade is short enough (and light enough) to still be wielded by one hand when necessary.

[Saumy]

English Medieval and Renaissance manuscripts refer to the longsword as the two hand sword. The terms "hand-and-a-half sword", "greatsword", and "bastard sword" are used colloquially to refer to longswords in general.

from wikipedia .. i know Colleges and Highschools wont letcha use it for papers but sometimes it does have good info *shrug*

[foolish_sagacity]

Yah, the bastard sword is literally between being a two hander and a one hander. Two hands gives you better ability to swing powerfully and accurately, whereas one hand allows ease of use.



The katana sword is a little like this. It's a two handed hilt, easily designed for fitting two hands and allowing for powerful swings that are controlled with both hands, but is light enough that you could wield it in just one hand if you desire. The flexibility is surprisingly effective.

[Cutter69]

I'm sure they're in there...per se.

[SchaerMann30]

Okay, not going to get into any great technical detail here, but the wiki is incorrect. Also, those who are referring to the bastard sword as a hand-and-a-half weapon are generally incorrect also, though exceptions have occurred.

Here's a bit of a breakdown on the exact difference between a bastard sword and, say, a broadsword or long sword. Not going to detail this in any great length, so I'll keep it simple. Speaking as both a swordsman myself, who has used many different varieties of blade, and as a bladesmith and student of swords, the difference is not the hilt of the blade, or even necessarily the weight, though it does play a part. The major difference in the bastard sword, and between any sword, really, is the shape of the blade. The bastard sword gained its' name from the English shortly after their first encounters with Germanic mercenaries and armies using them. They considered the shape of the blades captured from the fallen foes to be a bastard cross between the English long sword and the standard broadsword. The name happened to stick.

Now, any questions? I can give you details of the forging process, the differences between the three examples in weight, length and hilt (the bastard sword was, in fact, made in both one- and two-handed varieties, with length and weight to match), as well as the fact that the point was a hybrid between thrusting points and the standard slashing point. It was one of the few swords which happened to be equally adept at either; you could, if you were skilled and incredibly strong, turn a broadsword into a thrust, but you wouldn't have the desired penetration or chance of a mortal wound that would be preferred by swordsmen, and the use of the weapons was very specific to the type of blade used. There is a reason that systems like the old D&D 2e and others were adamant about their use of the weapon proficiency system; if you aren't trained in the rapier, you'll likely end up dying against someone who is trained if you use that weapon. However, if you are skilled in the broadsword and square off against the rapier-wielder, you're likely to knock the tar out of them, due to differences in technique and the weapons themselves.



On topic, however, I have no idea as to whether they have such things in this game or not, but it seems likely they've placed some variant of those weapons in the game. Certain screenshots have indicated that such is at least possible, if not probable.

[SchaerMann30]

Edit: Double post. Apologies.

Modifié par SchaerMann30, 02 novembre 2009 - 03:09 .

[LevitasVeneficus]

SchaerMann30 wrote...

Okay, not going to get into any great technical detail here, but the wiki is incorrect. Also, those who are referring to the bastard sword as a hand-and-a-half weapon are generally incorrect also, though exceptions have occurred.
Here's a bit of a breakdown on the exact difference between a bastard sword and, say, a broadsword or long sword. Not going to detail this in any great length, so I'll keep it simple. Speaking as both a swordsman myself, who has used many different varieties of blade, and as a bladesmith and student of swords, the difference is not the hilt of the blade, or even necessarily the weight, though it does play a part. The major difference in the bastard sword, and between any sword, really, is the shape of the blade. The bastard sword gained its' name from the English shortly after their first encounters with Germanic mercenaries and armies using them. They considered the shape of the blades captured from the fallen foes to be a bastard cross between the English long sword and the standard broadsword. The name happened to stick.
Now, any questions? I can give you details of the forging process, the differences between the three examples in weight, length and hilt (the bastard sword was, in fact, made in both one- and two-handed varieties, with length and weight to match), as well as the fact that the point was a hybrid between thrusting points and the standard slashing point. It was one of the few swords which happened to be equally adept at either; you could, if you were skilled and incredibly strong, turn a broadsword into a thrust, but you wouldn't have the desired penetration or chance of a mortal wound that would be preferred by swordsmen, and the use of the weapons was very specific to the type of blade used. There is a reason that systems like the old D&D 2e and others were adamant about their use of the weapon proficiency system; if you aren't trained in the rapier, you'll likely end up dying against someone who is trained if you use that weapon. However, if you are skilled in the broadsword and square off against the rapier-wielder, you're likely to knock the tar out of them, due to differences in technique and the weapons themselves.

On topic, however, I have no idea as to whether they have such things in this game or not, but it seems likely they've placed some variant of those weapons in the game. Certain screenshots have indicated that such is at least possible, if not probable.

*Pfft* Show off^_^

[Mummolus]

Not nearly enough games feature falcatas. I've yet to see a rhompheia or even a falx, for that matter - it'd be nice if some game maker would buck the trend towards the mundane and include some historically common but not commonly known weapons.

[foolish_sagacity]

Wow! Touche Schaermann, you've taught me something new! It's odd how many small inaccuracies are handled as given truths on a daily basis. Didn't Baldur's Gate's flavor text even have the description of the Bastard sword wrong?



On the actual topic, I'm not sure if there are, say, bastard swords by name. But with the way that there are "daggers" that are like regular swords, something in the game is bound to be a scimitar or a bastard sword if not by name.

[Maria Caliban]

There are longswords, greatswords, and daggers.

[ironhammer40]

Wow, thanks everyone for the input, I am looking forward to the game's variations of weaponry. Wow Shaermann30, that was a really interesting explanation of sword subleties.