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[Fraust Dogger]

I don't feel like this is an issue between people that do or don't enjoy a random rewards system. It specifically deals with the way races are unlocked. There is no reason we couldn't have a way to unlock specific races and have the other rewards kept random as they are.

[Sceptrum]

Fraust Dogger wrote...

I don't feel like this is an issue between people that do or don't enjoy a random rewards system. It specifically deals with the way races are unlocked. There is no reason we couldn't have a way to unlock specific races and have the other rewards kept random as they are.

This ^

If the races were purchaseable, the rest could stay RNG. Heck, on my Engineer I prefer the M3 Predator pistol (starter one) over the few new weapons I've gotten.

I also think 20-25000 credits per race unlock would be an okay price.

[Fraust Dogger]

Another solution could be to simply have the starter pack let us choose at least 1 race/class combo to start with. There seems to be many ways to go about this that are better than what we have now. I know that personally I'll be playing until I unlock it, but many of my friends don't have the same level of patience. If they want to specifically play as a Drell vanguard but don't get it after 20 or so matches they may just give up and move on to another game.

[Sceptrum]

Someone else said that if people got to choose 2-3 races at beginning, it would suffice too, because everyone has one race they really wanna play. Turian Soldier and Salarian Infiltrator for me.

[Fennekin]

Level 19 and I still haven't unlocked any single race. Seemingly, luck is not on my side.

[m19z]

Fraust Dogger wrote...

I don't feel like this is an issue between people that do or don't enjoy a random rewards system. It specifically deals with the way races are unlocked. There is no reason we couldn't have a way to unlock specific races and have the other rewards kept random as they are.

I have yet to read a good argument against letting us choose our race. I say there isn't any.

[G3rman]

@Magnificent

It may take long for you but for many others they find new characters very quickly. Its totally random. And maybe force wasn't the proper turn, would encourage sit well for you?

[Terminus Echoes]

I have the worst luck with this. I've been playing for four days and have gotten nothing but garbage, and only one character unlock (Salarian Infiltrator). The way they pick out these unlocks is way too unfair and random. Whoever programmed it needs to have a mental evaluation.

[Reaver102]

I think it would be a fair compromise to give everyone a free race pick at the start but keep the random system.

[Darubian]

I do wonder how much data they have tested from all of us as tester, i think maybe a little more unlocks would be nice so we could test all of the other races.

[f1ndmenow]

Well I manage to gain a vanguard Drell but still no luck on the draw for a krogan or Salarian.

[TwwlX]

I like the randomness of the system but the unlock rate for the classes/races definitely has to be increased.

[AreleX]

I just hope that we don't get a fast one pulled on us with having guaranteed unlocks/packs being available for purchase with REAL money.

I generally frown upon EA doomsaying, but I really wouldn't put it past them at this point. Hope I'm wrong.

[headcr4b]

So much complaining and a sense of entitlement. Sheesh. I completely disagree with the claims made that unlocking the characters is too hard or rare. Guess what? Its supposed to be hard. I never understand this new generation of gamers who have no patience to actually put in a respectable number of hours in a game to get goodies. Nothing is guaranteed. You might of played the same amount of hours as me but havent unlocked any races? Tough luck. You're only complaining because you're unlucky. Based on how many players I run across online who have unlocked other races, i'd say the system is fine. IMO, if youre below N7 level 30, you havent spent enough time.

I say no shortcuts. No handouts. This sytem is the same for everyone. Its fair. Earn the unlocks.

[trackboy186]

headcr4b wrote...

So much complaining and a sense of entitlement. Sheesh. I completely disagree with the claims made that unlocking the characters is too hard or rare. Guess what? Its supposed to be hard. I never understand this new generation of gamers who have no patience to actually put in a respectable number of hours in a game to get goodies. Nothing is guaranteed. You might of played the same amount of hours as me but havent unlocked any races? Tough luck. You're only complaining because you're unlucky. Based on how many players I run across online who have unlocked other races, i'd say the system is fine. IMO, if youre below N7 level 30, you havent spent enough time.

I say no shortcuts. No handouts. This sytem is the same for everyone. Its fair. Earn the unlocks.

Funny story. You cannot in any way shape or form earn them. You can win them. Hence the discussion. I'd love a way to earn them, but telling me to go spin the wheel is not a goal to work for.

[heart again]

Maybe if you played more then an hour or two then you would see that these races aren't "rare" to unlock. I've already got a class for each species but krogan and gotten asari twice. My friends have had no problem unlocking races either. As far as I'm concerned the unlock system is what gives this game the replay-ability that other co-op games do not have.

[Fraust Dogger]

headcr4b wrote...

So much complaining and a sense of entitlement. Sheesh. I completely disagree with the claims made that unlocking the characters is too hard or rare. Guess what? Its supposed to be hard. I never understand this new generation of gamers who have no patience to actually put in a respectable number of hours in a game to get goodies. Nothing is guaranteed. You might of played the same amount of hours as me but havent unlocked any races? Tough luck. You're only complaining because you're unlucky. Based on how many players I run across online who have unlocked other races, i'd say the system is fine. IMO, if youre below N7 level 30, you havent spent enough time.

I say no shortcuts. No handouts. This sytem is the same for everyone. Its fair. Earn the unlocks.

You assume too much. I have been playing video games for over 23 years, including those that predate my "generation of gamers." This has absolutely nothing to do with difficulty. A system is not hard when one person gets their reward instantly and others have to spend weeks or months. That's called luck.

There is also no "sense of entitlement." This isn't one individual's complaint, anyone can look at these forums or this thread to see the majority is not happy with this system as it pertains to race/class unlocks. I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, the problem is that time and effort may yield absolutely nothing.

So far I have played the demo for somewhere around 20+ hours. I have 4/6 of the aliens unlocked but still no Krogan. Even when I have my Krogan the system will still be unfair. N7 raiting means jack squat since a single Lv:20 is the fastest way to play silver/gold to open the maximum amount of veteran packs. Going for a high N7 raiting means opening recruit packs for maximum exp and also leveling each class equally as to not waste exp. If you understood the system you would know this.

[MythicLegands]

headcr4b wrote...

So much complaining and a sense of entitlement. Sheesh. I completely disagree with the claims made that unlocking the characters is too hard or rare. Guess what? Its supposed to be hard. I never understand this new generation of gamers who have no patience to actually put in a respectable number of hours in a game to get goodies. Nothing is guaranteed. You might of played the same amount of hours as me but havent unlocked any races? Tough luck. You're only complaining because you're unlucky. Based on how many players I run across online who have unlocked other races, i'd say the system is fine. IMO, if youre below N7 level 30, you havent spent enough time.

I say no shortcuts. No handouts. This sytem is the same for everyone. Its fair. Earn the unlocks.

You must like Bad multiplayer games, the RANDOM unlocks are not okay or fun( especially when you unlock the same human male soilder 8 times absaloutly killing the replayablity of the game, along with the useless weapons/mods) bioware has to change this if they want people to still play the game.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

I kinda like the having to earn 5000- 20000 credits just to unlock new weapons, characters and items. Makes me feel like I've earned it.

[Hasse0]

I don't mind so much sure it can be a pain when a friend as a race you want but look at it this way it gives you goal to aim for.

[NeroSparda]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

I kinda like the having to earn 5000- 20000 credits just to unlock new weapons, characters and items. Makes me feel like I've earned it.

I kinda like it too, but I hate how the rewards are so random. Granted I finally got two new races (Turian Sentinel and Drell Vanguard, who is awesome by the way), but I have been gunning for Quarian for the last three days. If each type of weapon, ammo, equipment, race/class have their own pack. I wouldn't hate the system as much as I do now.

[MythicLegands]

Hasse0 wrote...

I don't mind so much sure it can be a pain when a friend as a race you want but look at it this way it gives you goal to aim for.

No it doesn't It's completely random,it would be much better if they did it where people actually progress to what the want instead of hoping for what the want(or have it better organized)

Modifié par MythicLegands, 19 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Vaandrasl_Amuande]

I'm highly against the horrendously random chance of getting an alien race Bioware has implimented into the multiplayer. It just takes the fun out of it when you go in hoping to play as a certain race, only to find out your forced to play as a human and have a terribly slim chance of getting what you actually want from the current packs. After a while, it just gets frustrating, and I have complete understanding for those who no longer wish to play do to this.

As for those who think everyone's just "complaining because they can't get what they want", they need to realize that people want what they want so they can actually have fun. When they can't and have something they don't want forced upon them, it makes the experience far less enjoyable. Throw in very rare pack drop with a high chance of getting the same thing multiple times (most often humans and/or weapons people don't use from what I've been seeing), and you get what's a terrible experience in their eyes. Also, on the topic of those who actually like this random lygenerated unlocks, I've mostly seen people who have already unlocked what they wanted as those who like it and deem those who constantly get something they don't want as "just unlucky" or "impatient".

[WizenSlinky0]

Fraust Dogger wrote...

You assume too much. I have been playing video games for over 23 years, including those that predate my "generation of gamers." This has absolutely nothing to do with difficulty. A system is not hard when one person gets their reward instantly and others have to spend weeks or months. That's called luck.

There is also no "sense of entitlement." This isn't one individual's complaint, anyone can look at these forums or this thread to see the majority is not happy with this system as it pertains to race/class unlocks. I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, the problem is that time and effort may yield absolutely nothing.

So far I have played the demo for somewhere around 20+ hours. I have 4/6 of the aliens unlocked but still no Krogan. Even when I have my Krogan the system will still be unfair. N7 raiting means jack squat since a single Lv:20 is the fastest way to play silver/gold to open the maximum amount of veteran packs. Going for a high N7 raiting means opening recruit packs for maximum exp and also leveling each class equally as to not waste exp. If you understood the system you would know this.

Now who is assuming too much?

I've heard more good about the system than I have bad, just not on these boards. Because people happy with the system generally don't make threads on it. I can't say which side is in the majority but the amount of people who actually appreciate the RNG being there to determine things is actually quite high. I can say personally I probably would give ME multiplayer all of 5-7 days of playing in the retail release and then grow bored and go back to single-player, if I could get the optimal race/equipment build in any marginal amount of time.

It adds to replayability as it stands. Makes things interesting for me. And this is from someone who has literally gotten not one damn thing I want to unlock over the course of my matches. Yet, here I am, having fun while waiting for lady luck to swing my way. Quite fun!

[KroganWarlord555]

Well atleast you guy are unlocking different human classes I haven't gotten a single class card other that the default Salarian infiltraitor