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[Butthead11]

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

This high risk you keep mention is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Nova Staggers enemies making it incredibly easy for you to get away and ready for another charge

And you should not Balance based off noobs. Learning that charging into hordes of enemies at the wrong moment is supposed to be one of the milestones of playing the vanguard class. As it is you learn this at the low levels, then you forget once your each 15 or so and charge at anything that moves. 

[Arppis]

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

[Citizen Q]

Butthead11 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

the trade off for a fast CD is that most of us only use one weapon, 

Thats not a fair trade. Insta charge+AoE spam>Having a sniper or submachine gun you will never use.

"so rightfully they are insane in CQC "
Krogans have insane CQC, what you have is godmode that require little skill and racks up the points, stealing it from classes that actually require skill to play. 

I fail to see how this board can have it both ways.

One second everyone is complaining that all vanguards suck and get killed all the time, and the next its that they are all too awesome and steal everyones kills because it takes no skill to play them.

Those two options are both mutually exclusive and both incorrect.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Implying it takes an immense amount of skill to use a sniper rifle.  See enemy, pull trigger once or twice. done.     Yeah  vanguards are godmode classes and take no skill. 

i stand completely corrected dear sir.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 19 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[Butthead11]

Arppis wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

[Shadow of Terror]

Nova question

Level 4
Damage + Force or Impact radius

Level 5
Recharge 25% faster for 15 seconds or Two nova's

Level 6
Increase damage to Barriers etc or 25% chance of no shield loss

[john129pats]

KasumiH wrote...

Some really good Vangaurd player needs to make a video on how to play the class properly and not be suicidal

This.  I would love to see a proper tutorial, class by class.

[Butthead11]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Implying it takes an immense amount of skill to use a sniper rifle.  See enemy, pull trigger once or twice. done.     Yeah  vanguards are godmode classes and take no skill. 

i stand completely corrected dear sir.

>Implying you don't have to aim
>Implying you can kill all enemies this way
>Implying that this will rack up kills and you will not have to deal with long reloads, other people getting in the way, Cover, dealing with flanking enemies. 

[Citizen Q]

I'm afraid the last 3 letters of your Handle should be URT instead of EAD.

[Butthead11]

Citizen Q wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

the trade off for a fast CD is that most of us only use one weapon, 

Thats not a fair trade. Insta charge+AoE spam>Having a sniper or submachine gun you will never use.

"so rightfully they are insane in CQC "
Krogans have insane CQC, what you have is godmode that require little skill and racks up the points, stealing it from classes that actually require skill to play. 

I fail to see how this board can have it both ways.

One second everyone is complaining that all vanguards suck and get killed all the time, and the next its that they are all too awesome and steal everyones kills because it takes no skill to play them.

Those two options are both mutually exclusive and both incorrect.

I have never said high level Vanguards suck and get killed all the time. 

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

[Butthead11]

Citizen Q wrote...

I'm afraid the last 3 letters of your Handle should be URT instead of EAD.

>Discussing imbalances on a forum for a multiplayer game
>is butthurt

Clearly

[Niemack Saarinen]

Citizen Q wrote...

I'm afraid the last 3 letters of your Handle should be URT instead of EAD.

 .

[MexyK123]

me and one friend where vanguards on sliver and reached of wave 11 but he died and by luck i had medi gel and revied him and we survyve

[Butthead11]

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

Depends on the gun, The Avenger is accurate but the damage and clip size is minimal forcing you to get head shots if you wanna get your potential. But the revenant is a total beast that has recoil up the ass and can be tough to aim at med-long range without heavy modding and what not.
And can your soldier spam charge to take down a mech?
How bout Phantoms? 
How bout Nemesis? 
Bet your soldier can't handle them like the vanguard can. 

[kumquats]

Butthead11 wrote...

If you don't have to aim a gun(Which half of vanguards don't) it's not a tough class to play and is hard to claim to be skilled at. 

Bronze Solo, but I'm not doing Silver, my heart is pumping right now. I can upload the screenshot if you want.

[marshalleck]

Butthead11 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

I'm afraid the last 3 letters of your Handle should be URT instead of EAD.

>Discussing imbalances on a forum for a multiplayer game
>is butthurt

Clearly

>seemingly suggesting in earnest vanguards be balanced around bronze difficulty

good game

[Butthead11]

kumquats wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

If you don't have to aim a gun(Which half of vanguards don't) it's not a tough class to play and is hard to claim to be skilled at. 

Bronze Solo, but I'm not doing Silver, my heart is pumping right now. I can upload the screenshot if you want.

i'm not clear on what your saying?

Are you trying to solo silver? 

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

Depends on the gun, The Avenger is accurate but the damage and clip size is minimal forcing you to get head shots if you wanna get your potential. But the revenant is a total beast that has recoil up the ass and can be tough to aim at med-long range without heavy modding and what not.
And can your soldier spam charge to take down a mech?
How bout Phantoms? 
How bout Nemesis? 
Bet your soldier can't handle them like the vanguard can. 

Yep, I can. Against Phantoms I spam my concusion shots with Avenger fire as filler, they never stand a chance and against Nemesis, same thing works just fine (especialy as conusion shot can go around corners). Against Atlas, I'll just frag it and destable it with concusion shots, while using my enviroment to my advantage JUST LIKE WITH VANGUARD.

Piece of cake. Infact the soldier is really good vs every enemy type. Guardians can be bit tough with Vanguard (you need to make them push their shields aside to get headshot and it sometimes doesn't work), but with soldier I just roll grenade behind them and they die usualy killing everyone in the room.

[Butthead11]

marshalleck wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

I'm afraid the last 3 letters of your Handle should be URT instead of EAD.

>Discussing imbalances on a forum for a multiplayer game
>is butthurt

Clearly

>seemingly suggesting in earnest vanguards be balanced around bronze difficulty

good game

Actually i'm more often referring to the silver difficulty.

[RainyDayLover]

Butthead11 wrote...

This high risk you keep mention is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Nova Staggers enemies making it incredibly easy for you to get away and ready for another charge

Except enemies won't always be clustered together; there's always going to be enemies outside your Nova radius that poses a threat to you.

[Arppis]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

This high risk you keep mention is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Nova Staggers enemies making it incredibly easy for you to get away and ready for another charge

Except enemies won't always be clustered together; there's always going to be enemies outside your Nova radius that poses a threat to you.

Yep, this.

[PrinceLionheart]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Nova question

Level 4
Damage + Force or Impact radius

Level 5
Recharge 25% faster for 15 seconds or Two nova's

Level 6
Increase damage to Barriers etc or 25% chance of no shield loss

I'd for sure take the recharge bonus for level 5.

I'm playing as a drell!vanguard right now, and it's definitely a lot different than the human. Superior melee, but less health and weight capacity.

[Butthead11]

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

Depends on the gun, The Avenger is accurate but the damage and clip size is minimal forcing you to get head shots if you wanna get your potential. But the revenant is a total beast that has recoil up the ass and can be tough to aim at med-long range without heavy modding and what not.
And can your soldier spam charge to take down a mech?
How bout Phantoms? 
How bout Nemesis? 
Bet your soldier can't handle them like the vanguard can. 

Yep, I can. Against Phantoms I spam my concusion shots with Avenger fire as filler, they never stand a chance and against Nemesis, same thing works just fine (especialy as conusion shot can go around corners). Against Atlas, I'll just frag it and destable it with concusion shots, while using my enviroment to my advantage JUST LIKE WITH VANGUARD.

Piece of cake. Infact the soldier is really good vs every enemy type. Guardians can be bit tough with Vanguard (you need to make them push their shields aside to get headshot and it sometimes doesn't work), but with soldier I just roll grenade behind them and they die usualy killing everyone in the room.

I find you soloing phantoms only using concussion and the avenger hard to believe considering they have a ranged attack that can plummet your shields easily and would take a rather long while to get their barriers down.  Not to mention the flips and their superior speed. Even with an accurate gun your going to be doing little damage to them.
And don't you have limited frags? And mechs hardly stagger when they have their shields up? 

I find your tale highly doubtable 

[kumquats]

Butthead11 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

If you don't have to aim a gun(Which half of vanguards don't) it's not a tough class to play and is hard to claim to be skilled at. 

Bronze Solo, but I'm not doing Silver, my heart is pumping right now. I can upload the screenshot if you want.

i'm not clear on what your saying?

Are you trying to solo silver? 

Only a crazy person would do such a thing!

I will think about it.