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[Butthead11]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

This high risk you keep mention is not as dangerous as you make it out to be. Nova Staggers enemies making it incredibly easy for you to get away and ready for another charge

Except enemies won't always be clustered together; there's always going to be enemies outside your Nova radius that poses a threat to you.

and thats when you roll away to cover for 2 secs then rinse and repeat.

[Arppis]

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Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

Depends on the gun, The Avenger is accurate but the damage and clip size is minimal forcing you to get head shots if you wanna get your potential. But the revenant is a total beast that has recoil up the ass and can be tough to aim at med-long range without heavy modding and what not.
And can your soldier spam charge to take down a mech?
How bout Phantoms? 
How bout Nemesis? 
Bet your soldier can't handle them like the vanguard can. 

Yep, I can. Against Phantoms I spam my concusion shots with Avenger fire as filler, they never stand a chance and against Nemesis, same thing works just fine (especialy as conusion shot can go around corners). Against Atlas, I'll just frag it and destable it with concusion shots, while using my enviroment to my advantage JUST LIKE WITH VANGUARD.

Piece of cake. Infact the soldier is really good vs every enemy type. Guardians can be bit tough with Vanguard (you need to make them push their shields aside to get headshot and it sometimes doesn't work), but with soldier I just roll grenade behind them and they die usualy killing everyone in the room.

I find you soloing phantoms only using concussion and the avenger hard to believe considering they have a ranged attack that can plummet your shields easily and would take a rather long while to get their barriers down.  Not to mention the flips and their superior speed. Even with an accurate gun your going to be doing little damage to them.
And don't you have limited frags? And mechs hardly stagger when they have their shields up? 

I find your tale highly doubtable 

Limited frags for sure. And the mechs do stagger when you concusion shot them. And yeah phantoms stagger too when you concusion shot them. Because I use avenger, I have a low cooldown on the abilities, so I can spam it. I also have +20% headshot damage, recoil damperer on the gun and I am a very good shot with Avenger. You don't also always have to aim, you can fire from hip too and move away.

There is nothing false about the way I play my soldier. It's a REALLY good class.

[Butthead11]

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Citizen Q wrote...

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.

Yep, considering you don't have full health regen. Even when people don't admit it, but Vanguard is thinking man's class. In a way. When I charge, I already have a plan where I am going to take cover if things go bad. I always have to think one step ahead.

So yes, it requires skill.

No it requires knowledge of the map, which you need to play all classes at their best. Playing a Krogan melee class requires skill. 

Putting your reticule on guy from cover doesn't require much skill either. I charge in, with my concusion shots banging enemies down (even behind cover) and my Avenger roaring at enemie's heads with my soldier, I rarely go down and I just sweep rooms clean with the class.

I don't think it's much harder than playing a Vanguard. It's easy if you know what you are doing.

Depends on the gun, The Avenger is accurate but the damage and clip size is minimal forcing you to get head shots if you wanna get your potential. But the revenant is a total beast that has recoil up the ass and can be tough to aim at med-long range without heavy modding and what not.
And can your soldier spam charge to take down a mech?
How bout Phantoms? 
How bout Nemesis? 
Bet your soldier can't handle them like the vanguard can. 

Yep, I can. Against Phantoms I spam my concusion shots with Avenger fire as filler, they never stand a chance and against Nemesis, same thing works just fine (especialy as conusion shot can go around corners). Against Atlas, I'll just frag it and destable it with concusion shots, while using my enviroment to my advantage JUST LIKE WITH VANGUARD.

Piece of cake. Infact the soldier is really good vs every enemy type. Guardians can be bit tough with Vanguard (you need to make them push their shields aside to get headshot and it sometimes doesn't work), but with soldier I just roll grenade behind them and they die usualy killing everyone in the room.

I find you soloing phantoms only using concussion and the avenger hard to believe considering they have a ranged attack that can plummet your shields easily and would take a rather long while to get their barriers down.  Not to mention the flips and their superior speed. Even with an accurate gun your going to be doing little damage to them.
And don't you have limited frags? And mechs hardly stagger when they have their shields up? 

I find your tale highly doubtable 

Limited frags for sure. And the mechs do stagger when you concusion shot them. And yeah phantoms stagger too when you concusion shot them. Because I use avenger, I have a low cooldown on the abilities, so I can spam it. I also have +20% headshot damage, recoil damperer on the gun and I am a very good shot with Avenger. You don't also always have to aim, you can fire from hip too and move away.

There is nothing false about the way I play my soldier. It's a REALLY good class.

I play a krogan soldier and am currently up to wave 8 on gold

Are you playing bronze? there's no way you can kite her long enough even with a stagger it still has about a 2 sec cd which is more than enough time for her to close in. and with a non special ammo weapon even with miracle  hipfire head shots you'll be doing next to nothing to her barrier. I imagine concussion shot dosen't do a lot to barriers eithier. 

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...


I play a krogan soldier and am currently up to wave 8 on gold

Are you playing bronze? there's no way you can kite her long enough even with a stagger it still has about a 2 sec cd which is more than enough time for her to close in. and with a non special ammo weapon even with miracle  hipfire head shots you'll be doing next to nothing to her barrier. I imagine concussion shot dosen't do a lot to barriers eithier. 

Krogan warrior doesn't have concusion shot. Carnage isn't the same, doesn't have same impact. And yeah you can, she either tries to evade or staggers.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Butthead11]

I know carnage isn't the same. But it was to my knowledge that the only thing that stops a Phantom is stasis. I also have a turian sentinel and my overload and warp do nothing eithier even when she has her barrier down.

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

I know carnage isn't the same. But it was to my knowledge that the only thing that stops a Phantom is stasis. I also have a turian sentinel and my overload and warp do nothing eithier even when she has her barrier down.

Because they don't stagger like Vanguard rush and Concusion shot does. These abilities have "newtons" behind them.



Try it out sometimes.

[Butthead11]

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I know carnage isn't the same. But it was to my knowledge that the only thing that stops a Phantom is stasis. I also have a turian sentinel and my overload and warp do nothing eithier even when she has her barrier down.

Because they don't stagger like Vanguard rush and Concusion shot does. These abilities have "newtons" behind them.



Try it out sometimes.

Even so you shouldn't be able to kill them solo in a battlefield situation beyond bronze. A stagger is not enough to stop them because as i mentioned before they also have a very strong ranged attack. and concussion shot+Avenger is not enough damage vs their barrier even with miracle hipfire head shots.

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

I know carnage isn't the same. But it was to my knowledge that the only thing that stops a Phantom is stasis. I also have a turian sentinel and my overload and warp do nothing eithier even when she has her barrier down.

Because they don't stagger like Vanguard rush and Concusion shot does. These abilities have "newtons" behind them.



Try it out sometimes.

Even so you shouldn't be able to kill them solo in a battlefield situation beyond bronze. A stagger is not enough to stop them because as i mentioned before they also have a very strong ranged attack. and concussion shot+Avenger is not enough damage vs their barrier even with miracle hipfire head shots.

Don't stand in the open when they use them. I always use corners and such as cover (not talking about game's cover mechanic here, but using it as "manual" cover). And nope not every shot will be headshot in the hipfire, the point of that is moving away from her while firing your gun.

[Nizzemancer]

Phantoms used to scare the **** out of me on lower levels, now I think "yay phantom" and chase after them as soon as I see that something in a group had barriers. They normally can't even 2 shot me anymore unless I'm already hurt/shields are all the way down so they're not much trouble at all.

And concussive shot works wonders on them. Human Soldier ftw.

[Arppis]

Nizzemancer wrote...

Phantoms used to scare the **** out of me on lower levels, now I think "yay phantom" and chase after them as soon as I see that something in a group had barriers. They normally can't even 2 shot me anymore unless I'm already hurt/shields are all the way down so they're not much trouble at all.

And concussive shot works wonders on them. Human Soldier ftw.

HELL YEAH!

Propably my favourite class, with Vanguard. Human Soldier is just so damn good.

[Pedro Costa]

As I'm always trying to improve my "Vanguarding" skills, I humbly add my voice to those requesting players like thisisme8 to share videos in a tutorial-like style of their runs. =)

[Chaoswind]

I played silver and cleared it (with a good team)

as a vanguard you need to know with what you are dealing with before diving into the enemy lines, a the Phanax (pistol) with the scope is excellent for this as you will be able to weaken targets from afar while you wait the perfect moment to charge.

Spaming Charge+Nova seems OP, but if something goes wrong you die in a FLASH, i think our Turian friend is kind of butthurt or is trying to troll us.

Things that can go wrong:

A turret you didn't see is a Turret that the nova won't stagger, so good luck with that.
Enemies outside of your nova range
Phantom executes you mid nova (happened to a few people so far).

The Human soldier is more versatile than the vanguard and is just as strong in the right hands, Krogan Soldier look nice and can soak a lot of damage, but beyond that they are inferior to human soldiers.

besides there is NO reward for killing the most enemies, there is no extra bonus of cash, there is NOTHING, if nothing you should be thankful you have skilled players that know how to use the double edged swords known as the Human Soldier and the Human Vanguard because that impossible Gold run may be possible with them picking all the aggro while you spam your powers, or snipe without a care in the world.

Modifié par Chaoswind, 20 février 2012 - 01:31 .

[Butthead11]

Chaoswind wrote...

I played silver and cleared it (with a good team)

as a vanguard you need to know with what you are dealing with before diving into the enemy lines, a the Phanax (pistol) with the scope is excellent for this as you will be able to weaken targets from afar while you wait the perfect moment to charge.

Spaming Charge+Nova seems OP, but if something goes wrong you die in a FLASH, i think our Turian friend is kind of butthurt or is trying to troll us.

Things that can go wrong:

A turret you didn't see is a Turret that the nova won't stagger, so good luck with that.
Enemies outside of your nova range
Phantom executes you mid nova (happened to a few people so far).

The Human soldier is more versatile than the vanguard and is just as strong in the right hand, Krogan Soldier look nice and can soak a lot of damage, but beyond that they are inferior to human soldiers.

besides there is NO price for killing the most enemies, there is no extra bonus of cash, there is NOTHING, if nothing you should be thankful you have skilled players that know how to use the double edged swords known as the Human Soldier and the Human Vanguard.

You seem to think i'm implying that Vanguards are invincible. I'm not.

You being able to die does not eliminate the possibility of being OP. Novas incredibly short CD for an incredibly powerful AOE move in combonation with insta charge spam makes the classes capabilties too strong when compared to most other classes. 

[TheMightyG00sh]

I have to say Im surprised at Vanguard hate... Sure they die first but that's what they are, I broke out a Vanguard 30 minutes ago and with a teamof Level 7- we dominated a Bronze Challenge. It was awesome! Charge + Nova is an awesome combo on the Landing Pad on Firebase White.
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[Djdeedzd]

I think vanguards should be wanted at least since they can easilly destroy guardians. In which thier shields are a **** to get past on your own without one unless you flank them extremely well.

[Chaoswind]

I didn't know other classes HAD to dive to the middle of the enemy to do any kind of damage.

You can spam grenades and blow several enemies, you can shot enemies from afar safely and cloak away if things get hairy.

you implying that the vanguard is superior to other classes is a ****ing JOKE, you can attack from afar without taking any kind of risk, so stfu

[Butthead11]

Chaoswind wrote...

I didn't know other classes HAD to dive to the middle of the enemy to do any kind of damage.

You can spam grenades and blow several enemies, you can shot enemies from afar safely and cloak away if things get hairy.

you implying that the vanguard is superior to other classes is a ****ing JOKE, you can attack from afar without taking any kind of risk, so stfu

"You can spam grendaes"

Actually no, you can't. 

"You can shot enemies from afar safely"
No you can not shoot from afar safely, the enemies also have guns and in order to shoot you need to be exposed, and you can get flanked or the enemy can just toss a grenade and force you to run like hell.

"and cloak away if things get hairy"

Difference is that cloak has an actual CD and you can not spend the whole match in using it. 

"You can attack from afar without any kind of risk"
Vanguards can equip snipers and assault rifles too...

Modifié par Butthead11, 20 février 2012 - 01:44 .

[Djdeedzd]

I'm not implying. They can just help out a lot. Every class has its advantages and disadvantages.
Like as a vanguard I see other vanguards get owned by turrets who rush in and have been taken down when I didn't notice them. Also phantoms can be devious to vanguards too. Most of the time our barriers get shot quickly so we have to be defensive. A lot of the time I see others trying to be hard-core and take things out and die. I help them as much as I can (if I don't die) even though I really don't want to.

Modifié par Djdeedzd, 20 février 2012 - 01:49 .

[Chaoswind]

You can spam 4 grenades, or more if you know what you are doing

Are you implying that you can't aim and shot at enemies that are at the other side of the map before they are in range to hit you? because if that is the case then don't talk about skill

If you know where to run cloak is awesome.

My Mass Effect 1Main class is an infiltrator
My Mass effect 2 Main class is an infiltrator
My demo Main class is again an infiltrator

My secondary class in ME has always been a vanguard

I have played all my shooters with max sensitivity since Golden Eye N64, i got used to the fast movement and surgeon like precision to be an awesome long range player with absurd reaction times, i have not played a video game in MP for YEARS (University/Work) and I am still capable of using a scoped assault rifle to kill guardians, if you can't even do that then don't **** about classes being OP and not needing skill, because that makes me think you are a bitter unskilled player than can't get better and wants to drag everyone else to their level.

[Andy379]

Vanguard makes me feel like a god

[Djdeedzd]

Simply, I'm tired of you.
Have your opinion, I don't care. I have mine, I don't care.
What's your deal anyway; trying to show people up? You seem extremely offensive too.

[Chaoswind]

?????

are you Butthead11 multi?

[KainrycKarr]

Honestly it's not hard to take down 4-5 enemies in one Charge + Nova cycle. I routinely take out entire waves by myself while the rest of the team takes out the objectives or mops up the survivors.

Though, a bad vanguard on the hand....

[Djdeedzd]

Nope. I'm a smart-assed chick. Very opinionated and just like to say random things to ****** people off. Don't know why; maybe because it's a computer and I use to get onto a different e-mail account to ****** a friend off. Maybe just because I can be a grade-a **** at times. Whatever it is I just get tired of redundant things and complaints. You remind me of someone I know who is very rude so if I came off that way I do apologize.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

On Gold, since shields drop in practically a shot or two...

When it happens to non-Van classes, they're all "Oh no!  //HIDE"
But Vanguards are "Oh no the heck you didn't!   //CHAAARRGE"

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 20 février 2012 - 02:12 .