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[Bravo0o]

Arppis wrote...

Tifa Strife wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Pffffh disgusting. Someone said you were "stealing their kills"? Whoever said that shouldn't be playing the game. This game isn't about "lawl my kills lawl" it's about teamwork and survival.

Agreed. Co-op is about TEAMWORK. Not elitest bums who complain about who kills first and who. They remind me of WoW... "Oh, this is your first Heroic Dungeon? Lawl, kick." Even though that's the only way to get EPIC GEAR!! GAHHH. >_<

So far I haven't encounted anyone who has been mean about any class. I suck at being an Adept, but I still play it (Simply because it's an Asari. I can't stand playing a human atm.), and no on has complained to me about it, thankfullly. It's still the only race I've unlocked thus far.

"WHAAAA-WHAAAA!

Mommy! They don't let me kill people! It's suposed to be my birthright! WHAAAAAA... "

Like that?

Nicely built answer.
A prime example of an award-winning argument, send this man to Harvard.

[Arppis]

Bravo0o wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Tifa Strife wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Pffffh disgusting. Someone said you were "stealing their kills"? Whoever said that shouldn't be playing the game. This game isn't about "lawl my kills lawl" it's about teamwork and survival.

Agreed. Co-op is about TEAMWORK. Not elitest bums who complain about who kills first and who. They remind me of WoW... "Oh, this is your first Heroic Dungeon? Lawl, kick." Even though that's the only way to get EPIC GEAR!! GAHHH. >_<

So far I haven't encounted anyone who has been mean about any class. I suck at being an Adept, but I still play it (Simply because it's an Asari. I can't stand playing a human atm.), and no on has complained to me about it, thankfullly. It's still the only race I've unlocked thus far.

"WHAAAA-WHAAAA!

Mommy! They don't let me kill people! It's suposed to be my birthright! WHAAAAAA... "

Like that?

Nicely built answer.
A prime example of an award-winning argument, send this man to Harvard.

Thank you, thank you... I'll be here all night. *plays piano*

[magnuskn]

wirelesstkd wrote...

el-jasho wrote...
All was fine and well til an atlas came out and they figured attacking it head on with melee was the best plan of attack. It wasn't.
Know we know!!! 

Sometimes it is, though, lol! All these being equal, I would never charge head on in to an Atlas. But a lot of the time I find myself in a situation where I can't get away from it because a squad of guardians are blocking my exit and there's no one on the other side of the map to charge to. So in those cases I do have to take it head on. I'd say I have about 50/50 odds of surviving, but having a good team back me up always helps (I almost never end up with the final kill in the case, but if I stay alive I'm happy :happy:)

One time, though, the Atlas picked my up by the neck and then threw me down, dead, with no ability to be revived or use medigel. Anyone else have that happen? It was so shocking I wasn't even upset, lol.

Charging into an Atlas and then Nova'ing is entirely possible, if it isn't surrounded by too many other enemies. You just have to roll away fast and find a corner to run around, then you can charge/nova again and so on. If I'd only taken the right evolution at the last rung, I could probably take down solitary Atlas' alone with this tactic... so the other people get to do the other half of the work.

[ApplesauceBandit]

Legion64 wrote...

Pffffh disgusting. Someone said you were "stealing their kills"? Whoever said that shouldn't be playing the game. This game isn't about "lawl my kills lawl" it's about teamwork and survival.

I know, but i have trouble ignoring this mindset, i've played a lot of pvp games so sometimes it's hard to think of the team first rather then your own personal score. I still get irriated when i'm at the bottom though. 

[magnuskn]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Nova question

Level 4
Damage + Force or Impact radius

Level 5
Recharge 25% faster for 15 seconds or Two nova's

Level 6
Increase damage to Barriers etc or 25% chance of no shield loss

I'd for sure take the recharge bonus for level 5.

I am actually very interested in this... I heard someone say that we are invulnerable during the Nova animation. If that were correct, chaining two Novas in sequence should be enough that Charge is on cooldown again, right? At the moment, I still got about a second or two after Nova before Charge is ready again and I've been rolling with only a Phalanx heavy pistol for the 200% recharge bonus ( a weapon which totally rocks, btw. With a scope it's like a miniature sniper rifle, good enough to shoot guardians through their little viewport ).

[magnuskn]

"You can attack from afar without any kind of risk"
Vanguards can equip snipers and assault rifles too...

Oh, please, just... just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

[xcrunr1647]

Most Vanguards don't understand the class mechanics, and thereby fail at being Vanguards.

I'm usually the top score when I play my Vanguard or my Soldier (the two classes I see flamed the most)...and you don't get a high score by dying =)

[VII.Belfast]

magnuskn wrote...

"You can attack from afar without any kind of risk"
Vanguards can equip snipers and assault rifles too...

Oh, please, just... just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

Sniper rifles and assault rifles are primarily what I use with the Vanguard. It's a more straightforward approach to combat, and I notice that I tend to "out-soldier" Soldier players, but I have a good time with it and use the Biotic Charge mostly to get around the map or rescue teammates. I don't particularly care for shotguns, pistols, or SMGs, and the way I play Vanguard seems to be pretty successful.

There are obvious benefits for characters that use certain weapons, but thankfully BioWare was able to make any weapon viable in the skilled hands, regardless of class.

[magnuskn]

VII.Belfast wrote...
Sniper rifles and assault rifles are primarily what I use with the Vanguard. It's a more straightforward approach to combat, and I notice that I tend to "out-soldier" Soldier players, but I have a good time with it and use the Biotic Charge mostly to get around the map or rescue teammates. I don't particularly care for shotguns, pistols, or SMGs, and the way I play Vanguard seems to be pretty successful.

There are obvious benefits for characters that use certain weapons, but thankfully BioWare was able to make any weapon viable in the skilled hands, regardless of class.

Nobody is saying that you are having badwrongfun!, but I think you do realize that you are playing against type.

That other guys argument all falls on "Vanguards are overpowered, because their Charge/Nova combo is too powerful!"... so him saying that Vanguards can equip AR's and SR's is just a contradiction of the main premise his complaint rests on.

Modifié par magnuskn, 20 février 2012 - 11:13 .

[magnuskn]

Xaijin wrote...

Legion64 wrote...

Pffffh disgusting. Someone said you were "stealing their kills"? Whoever said that shouldn't be playing the game. This game isn't about "lawl my kills lawl" it's about teamwork and survival.

Then why don't you play as another class if it isn't about kills?

hrmm.

Because I dislike the playstyle of the other classes, compared to the Vanguard. After Biotic Charge was introduced in ME2, I've never been able to go back to other classes.

[hangmans tree]

Hehe, am playing Inf most of the time and I take joy to deep freezee group of dorks in one blast and watch Vans atomize 'em in one beutiful charge. Pure fun.

At times the vans are too slow compared to my bullets... Yes, headshots are crazy fast, Vanguards cant keep up with that ;P

[xcrunr1647]

My Krogan Soldier's name is Tiny.

He makes Atlases his b!tch. And the Phantoms his mistress.

[Chaoswind]

Human vanguard charge+nova combo is good, but is going to kill you if you spam it without thinking, yeah you can handle bronze stuff just spaming it, but you got to be much smarter in gold.

Going charge + nova on a small group of enemies or a single one is a mistake, having no shields when enemies can kill you in 3 shoots is the worse you can do, and honesly you can shoot the last enemy to dead and not risk a nova... The vanguards that rarely die are the ones that think.

Also vanguards aren't completely invincible, a phantom can kill you midnova and midcharge, same with ATLAS insta kill move.

[Arppis]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Most Vanguards don't understand the class mechanics, and thereby fail at being Vanguards.

I'm usually the top score when I play my Vanguard or my Soldier (the two classes I see flamed the most)...and you don't get a high score by dying =)

They are the best classes, imo. Well atleast the ones *I* get best results as.

[Arppis]

Chaoswind wrote...

Human vanguard charge+nova combo is good, but is going to kill you if you spam it without thinking, yeah you can handle bronze stuff just spaming it, but you got to be much smarter in gold.

Going charge + nova on a small group of enemies or a single one is a mistake, having no shields when enemies can kill you in 3 shoots is the worse you can do, and honesly you can shoot the last enemy to dead and not risk a nova... The vanguards that rarely die are the ones that think.

Also vanguards aren't completely invincible, a phantom can kill you midnova and midcharge, same with ATLAS insta kill move.

I've only experienced the instakill in mid-nova, but never mid charge.

[wirelesstkd]

hangmans tree wrote...
At times the vans are too slow compared to my bullets... Yes, headshots are crazy fast, Vanguards cant keep up with that ;P

That's right. People tend to forget this. I played a round with two guys who just took up residence in one of the rooms overlooking both courtyards in the red base. Most of the time they sniped people before I could charge them. Some times I'd charge in to where their body used to be. Other times I almost died because an enemies head exploded before I could charge in and replenish my shields... lol

I think the point is that every class has its strengths and weaknesses

[Kakaw]

Arppis wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Human vanguard charge+nova combo is good, but is going to kill you if you spam it without thinking, yeah you can handle bronze stuff just spaming it, but you got to be much smarter in gold.

Going charge + nova on a small group of enemies or a single one is a mistake, having no shields when enemies can kill you in 3 shoots is the worse you can do, and honesly you can shoot the last enemy to dead and not risk a nova... The vanguards that rarely die are the ones that think.

Also vanguards aren't completely invincible, a phantom can kill you midnova and midcharge, same with ATLAS insta kill move.

I've only experienced the instakill in mid-nova, but never mid charge.

Today I've died like 5 times, mid charge, on my drell vanguard ^^. My corpse ends up at the charged enemy.

Modifié par Kakaw, 20 février 2012 - 02:19 .

[Kaylord]

Whereas infiltrators get one "bam" with a headshot, the vanguard gets two "bam" by charge and nova. Haven´t played other races yet, but I think this combo is the best.

After many tries, I think I figured out how to play the vanguard and I usually only die when I overlook a Phantom or did not expect that turret around the corner...

Not playing gold yet, as most random groups seem not up to it and have no patience for multiple tries in order to establish a team routine.

Sometimes, a guy with a widow makes more kills than my vanguard, depending on tactical situation (charge or nogood?) and yesterday night, amazingly there was an asari adept who was constant top of the list, and I don´t know how he did it.

I really started to learn playing vanguard by hanging back and only engaging when a teammate gets challenged at close range. After a while you figure out your staggering routine and you can take on multiple enemies all alone. But it is risky; get a nemesis or phantom shoot at you from a distance from where you engage the enemies, at the right moment, and you are down. No skill saves you from that, apart from really knowing the battlefield at every instance.

Modifié par Kaylord, 20 février 2012 - 03:01 .

[tee_bird]

I'm not a good Vanguard, but I play it because I find it enjoyable. The demo jus came out, give us time to learn from our mistakes.

[Drake-Shepard]

put down some cover fire for the vanguard...set up a potential biotic bomb for him.

As a vanguard player ...i get annoyed when there's a vanguard in my team not charging

I mean I changed my class from a vanguard to an asari adept /infiltrator to help you and the team in various ways...and your charge shy???!!! If your not going to charge you picked the wrong class (unless your under level 5)

If you haven't tried to charge an atlas at least once, you have picked the wrong class.

[Hunter_Wolf]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Yeah, but there are people who suck in every class. I am routinely lasting most of my matches to the end (Bronze and some Silver). But you need revived once and a while as the play style is risk/reward.

This is true. It's just that most people who suck in general happen to be mostly Vanguards. class is fine, it's how about 90% of the players approach a battle. Don't Charge an Atlas and Guardans when they're looking right at you.

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 20 février 2012 - 03:35 .

[LilyasAvalon]

I've seen a few good vanguards, people who know what they're doing.

Me? It's my favourite class in SP, but in MP. I think it's because I just can't narrow down the reaction speeds yet, that and the few times I have played it, powers were really bugged. Charge can be just awful sometimes. I try to charge a Nemesis, end up in a Guardians' face or just not charging at all. >_<

[Pedro Costa]

magnuskn wrote...
Because I dislike the playstyle of the other classes, compared to the Vanguard. After Biotic Charge was introduced in ME2, I've never been able to go back to other classes.

I'm not the only one?! =D
Though, to be fair, in MP I can roll with Salarian Infiltrator and Asari Adept too if the team needs more support & cc.