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[Arppis]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I've seen a few good vanguards, people who know what they're doing.

Me? It's my favourite class in SP, but in MP. I think it's because I just can't narrow down the reaction speeds yet, that and the few times I have played it, powers were really bugged. Charge can be just awful sometimes. I try to charge a Nemesis, end up in a Guardians' face or just not charging at all. >_<

Haha, just make sure you got cover next to you where you can roll, that's what I do.

[WoolyJoe]

I hate Vanguards, but only because it's the only class I play as and I can't stand the rivalry! And, not to put too fine a point on it, they're normally not very good and get in moi way....

I can only play Vanguard. And I'm very good at doing so. Which means it's justified.

But they're not all bad. Just a few. Same with every class. And everybody, come to think of it...

[PrinceLionheart]

Kaylord wrote...

Whereas infiltrators get one "bam" with a headshot, the vanguard gets two "bam" by charge and nova. Haven´t played other races yet, but I think this combo is the best.

After many tries, I think I figured out how to play the vanguard and I usually only die when I overlook a Phantom or did not expect that turret around the corner...

Not playing gold yet, as most random groups seem not up to it and have no patience for multiple tries in order to establish a team routine.

Sometimes, a guy with a widow makes more kills than my vanguard, depending on tactical situation (charge or nogood?) and yesterday night, amazingly there was an asari adept who was constant top of the list, and I don´t know how he did it.

I really started to learn playing vanguard by hanging back and only engaging when a teammate gets challenged at close range. After a while you figure out your staggering routine and you can take on multiple enemies all alone. But it is risky; get a nemesis or phantom shoot at you from a distance from where you engage the enemies, at the right moment, and you are down. No skill saves you from that, apart from really knowing the battlefield at every instance.

If you kill an enemy already affected by something like stasis the "kill points" goes to Asari/Adept.

[wirelesstkd]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

If you kill an enemy already affected by something like stasis the "kill points" goes to Asari/Adept.

This is really good to know. I guess that Adepts should LOVE playing with Vanguards, then  "What's that? Three people in a singularity bubble? CHARGE! :O"

[Red Son Rising]

when the team is more concerned with winning than sharing points vanguards really shine. if everyone is focused on scoring he most pts yer better off just stickin to bronze

support the vanguard well and they can take out almost most groups without putting anyone else at risk. vanguards keep everyone else safe, assuming thats what everyone wants

strip shields, provide distractions and use powers [like] stasis and freeze to control the battlefield so vanguards dont get overwhelmed: dont hate, participate

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 20 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[10K]

Anyone play with a vanguard with the gamertag Moses A Rose?

[Arppis]

mosesarose wrote...

Anyone play with a vanguard with the gamertag Moses A Rose?

Thats yours right?

[10K]

yeah

[SpiritBraker]

www.youtube.com/watch

So, uh, I tried to go alone since most of the people were screaming at me for kill stealing.

Modifié par SpiritBraker, 20 février 2012 - 05:29 .

[Pedro Costa]

Red Son Rising wrote...

when the team is more concerned with winning than sharing points vanguards really shine. if everyone is focused on scoring he most pts yer better off just stickin to bronze

support the vanguard well and they can take out almost most groups without putting anyone else at risk. vanguards keep everyone else safe, assuming thats what everyone wants

strip shields, provide distractions and use powers [like] stasis and freeze to control the battlefield so vanguards dont get overwhelmed: dont hate, participate

I like this player, he understands!

[10K]

SpiritBraker wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

So, uh, I tried to go alone since most of the people were screaming at me for kill stealing.

This was soooo... sick. you give vanguards a good name.

[Phaelducan]

I would imagine that, just as with the other classes, the races a player has unlocked will largely determine their approach with a Vanguard.

[Arppis]

SpiritBraker wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

So, uh, I tried to go alone since most of the people were screaming at me for kill stealing.

Pretty cool.

[hawat333]

I love vanguards. When I'm on my krogan, it's a perfect pair, the vanguard gets them off their feet and I headbutt them to death.
Well, I'm not the most talented krogan around there, but hell it's fun!

[Hatem]

Vanguards are not only fun, their charge is the best way of transportation.

[Lynata]

I'm sticking to my Asari Adept now, but I have played the Human Vanguard until L16 or so and it has worked out quite nicely. The "problem" I think is that even Vanguards need to work with and stay close to the team - in essence, think of it as some kind of distance threshold within which you can charge. If you move too far away from the team, however, they are unable to support or even revive you, should you die.

And don't give me this "then just don't revive me" excuse. Even a Vanguard not charging at all but simply sticking back shooting his rifle is better than a Vanguard that managed to get himself killed by a swarm of enemies 30 meters away from his team. For a good squad, it goes without question that anyone who goes down can expect a revive, both because the 4th guy may actually be needed to survive the wave as well as because this is what teamplay is about.

Tl;dr: There's two kinds of Vanguards around. Those who work with their team, support it (crowd dispersion/AoE) and get supported (backup and revives) ... and those notorious lone wolves who charge headlong into some enemy group on the other side of the map, resulting in the map essentially being played by 3 players instead of 4. Needless to say, you can forget about playing on Silver with the latter and even on Bronze I've seen teams getting wiped due to the urge to revive one anyways even when he's surrounded by enemies. Which is where I think the "hate" seems to come from.

I'm regularly playing in a group consisting of 1 Vanguard, 1 Adept and 2 Infiltrators and it works like a charm if everybody sticks with the team.

Modifié par Lynata, 20 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[themaxzero]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Kaylord wrote...

Whereas infiltrators get one "bam" with a headshot, the vanguard gets two "bam" by charge and nova. Haven´t played other races yet, but I think this combo is the best.

After many tries, I think I figured out how to play the vanguard and I usually only die when I overlook a Phantom or did not expect that turret around the corner...

Not playing gold yet, as most random groups seem not up to it and have no patience for multiple tries in order to establish a team routine.

Sometimes, a guy with a widow makes more kills than my vanguard, depending on tactical situation (charge or nogood?) and yesterday night, amazingly there was an asari adept who was constant top of the list, and I don´t know how he did it.

I really started to learn playing vanguard by hanging back and only engaging when a teammate gets challenged at close range. After a while you figure out your staggering routine and you can take on multiple enemies all alone. But it is risky; get a nemesis or phantom shoot at you from a distance from where you engage the enemies, at the right moment, and you are down. No skill saves you from that, apart from really knowing the battlefield at every instance.

If you kill an enemy already affected by something like stasis the "kill points" goes to Asari/Adept.

Because your Charge triggers a Biotic Combo and the Adept gets the credit for setting it up. The Stasis combo is very good, not only does it do damage to a decent sized area but all hits them with Stasis too.

[siarheicka]

rft wrote...




I am a Vanguard and I always get shouted at by Infiltrators among other classes because i'm "stealing their kills".

People should realize there's no such thing as kill stealing in this game! You get ALL the experience earned in a match regardless!




Just today i did a random match, we survived all waves, i got the highest score among 4 people and got kicked right after, lol

[PrinceLionheart]

wirelesstkd wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

If you kill an enemy already affected by something like stasis the "kill points" goes to Asari/Adept.

This is really good to know. I guess that Adepts should LOVE playing with Vanguards, then  "What's that? Three people in a singularity bubble? CHARGE! :O"

Yeah it's either that, or you get majority of the points due to Assists.

[magnuskn]

Lynata wrote...

I'm sticking to my Asari Adept now, but I have played the Human Vanguard until L16 or so and it has worked out quite nicely. The "problem" I think is that even Vanguards need to work with and stay close to the team - in essence, think of it as some kind of distance threshold within which you can charge. If you move too far away from the team, however, they are unable to support or even revive you, should you die.

And don't give me this "then just don't revive me" excuse. Even a Vanguard not charging at all but simply sticking back shooting his rifle is better than a Vanguard that managed to get himself killed by a swarm of enemies 30 meters away from his team. For a good squad, it goes without question that anyone who goes down can expect a revive, both because the 4th guy may actually be needed to survive the wave as well as because this is what teamplay is about.

Tl;dr: There's two kinds of Vanguards around. Those who work with their team, support it (crowd dispersion/AoE) and get supported (backup and revives) ... and those notorious lone wolves who charge headlong into some enemy group on the other side of the map, resulting in the map essentially being played by 3 players instead of 4. Needless to say, you can forget about playing on Silver with the latter and even on Bronze I've seen teams getting wiped due to the urge to revive one anyways even when he's surrounded by enemies. Which is where I think the "hate" seems to come from.

There is little problem on Bronze doing your own thing for the first five waves ( minus the third, of course ), when you are playing a high-level Vanguard. As soon as wave six hits, you better be back supporting your team full-time.

Silver? I've played so far one game there which lasted longer than to the third wave ( we held out until wave nine... at wave eight a game glitch resulted in me only being able to move at a super slow crawl and I was wildly wobbling about. If that hadn't been the case, I could have held down the flank and we would have survived ), but you better be there to support your team from wave one on forwards.

[Shadow of Terror]

Can someone tell me the best Nova evolutions to take please?

[Kaylord]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Reminds me of one match I had (me playing Vanguard of course). There was this one Salarian Infiltrator that managed to consecutively headshot/kill my targets I was just charging at five times. So just after I activated Charge, my target's head popped and I whooshed onto a corpse ... five times in a row, have to admit my Vanguard pride was a little bit miffed at that (not that I care much for kills, but I am still playing competitively).

I swear I could feel that other played smirking. And my word, that must have been a mighty funny sight to behold, that one Vanguard zipping criss-cross around the battlefield into ... nothing (edit:// I might add I was running with my fast cooldown set-up, Scimitar only, which meant I was charging in a four seconds rythm. So it really must have been looking like *woosh* *beat* *woosh* *beat* *woosh* -etc. That also means that Infiltrator got a head shot about every four seconds, kudos for that!).

I bet the other guy thought he shoots Vanguards with his rifle, as everytime he shot someone, a Vanguard charged right into his scope

This made me spill my drink laughing.

[Wulfram]

Vanguards are great, but I do wish nova was a bit quieter

[Thunderfurby]

Just wait until Asari Vanguards hit the field, all the stasis bubble spam, with instantly rechargable shields, unbeatable mobility all rolled into one neat package.

B e a u t i f u l.