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[Aurellia]

Citizen Q wrote...

Dr. Cheezburg wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Dr. Cheezburg wrote...

Seems like I'm the only Vanguard that doesn't use Nova. Why no love for Shockwave?

Because shockwave sucks.

Next Question.

How does it suck? Explain?

What I mean is that compared to a maxed Nova + Charge build, Shockwave sucks. Nova is AOE, Shockwave is linear. Nova does more damage than Shockwave. Nova does not affect your Charge cooldown, Shockwave does. The list goes on.

Putting points into Shockwave takes points from one of the other four skills, all of which are better.

1 Point of shockwave absoutely does not suck.  It lets me strip the shields of mechs through a wall which is faster/safer than chain charge/nova.  I go to that once it is in armor mode.  This makes for fast safe solo/agro lock of mechs while my party can shoot it from behind.

Shockwave has the added bonus that I can partially control the Mech's position because if I aim it right it will stagger to one side.  This lets me park him or at least slow him coming around a corner so I can eat him while he can't shoot me.

Shockwave also works a bit better than charge for guardians.  If I aim slightly to the side it staggers him longer when he turns sideways and I can somtimes even 1 round him.

PS: Look me up as Aurellia on XBL if you're LFG

Modifié par Aurellia, 21 février 2012 - 08:13 .

[BBattleshield]

KasumiH wrote...

Tbh I play a vangaurd atm in the demo and I kinda can see where people are coming from, some people who play them rush into a big group that's far away from the team and get downed crazy fast because they don't know what to do or just took to many on at once, also in the last wave when we need to go to the LZ some vangaurds refuse to and continue to charge people and risk dying. There are a ton of **** vangaurd players out there who do actually wipe groups, I did it a few times when i started the demo

Yes I semi-necroed this - Vanguard is currently my highest class and i do quite well with her (Human Female).

New Vanguards need to learn what their 'effective' range is. Just because you CAN fly clear across the map doesnt mean you SHOULD...

Your job is to act as area of effect crowd control for bunched enemies or take out high value targets that (hopefully) have been locked down with Stasis.

Vanguard haters have, in all likelihood never worked with a skilled Vanguard. If they have and are still moaning about the class then there is a problem with the person crying about it...

Bottom line is that ANY race/class combo can be highly effective when the "Me" attitude is set aside and each team member plays to their class strengths and supports the team...

[john129pats]

I don't see why people think Shockwave is so bad. It is on lower levels, but once you level it up, it can be really useful. I'm not a fan of Nova because it drains your shields, which can be a real pain on Gold.

[Syntarsis]

john129pats wrote...

I don't see why people think Shockwave is so bad. It is on lower levels, but once you level it up, it can be really useful. I'm not a fan of Nova because it drains your shields, which can be a real pain on Gold.

It's because it incurs CD. Most gold runners tend to run with Nova as CC along with the adept's SB. Those precious seconds waiting for shockwave's CD to run out? You'd be dead.

On Gold I don't rush out as aggressively as I do in silver. I pick my targets, call for a stasis and BC-nova bomb them. Some times I tank turrets as well but I usually just stay back and shoot that lil' sucker.

[AdmiralCheez]

They're just jealous.



Shameless self-promotion.

[Hedera]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

They're just jealous.

Shameless self-promotion.

If there was a like button...

Modifié par cgrimm54, 21 février 2012 - 11:18 .

[shepskisaac]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

They're just jealous.



Shameless self-promotion.

Cheez you need to get on the Drellguard train! That's a hardcore Vanguard experience

[AdmiralCheez]

IsaacShep wrote...

Cheez you need to get on the Drellguard train! That's a hardcore Vanguard experience

Problems:

1. Can't unlock the cheeky little bastard.
2. Drell Vanguard can't Nova.

But all the classes will probably get their own stupid memes eventually!

[ObserverStatus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

They're just jealous.

Shameless self-promotion.

lmao, I liked the one about charge spamming.

[Arcadian Legend]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

They're just jealous.

Snipped

Shameless self-promotion.

Yeah, I play Infiltrator, and have no problem with Vanguard players. In fact.  I have great synergy with them. Besides, the score tallies mean nothing really, so long as all enemies are down that's what matters.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 21 février 2012 - 11:29 .

[Thunderfurby]

Drell is pretty pimp, been playing defensive vanguard with it (keeping the snipers/adepts safe) and cluster grenades do a ton of damage in inclosed spaces, feels fragile as **** tho and staying alive is ****ing hard work.

Modifié par Thunderfurby, 21 février 2012 - 11:29 .

[Syntarsis]

Someone needs to make a vanguard flow chart for me3!

Here's the ol' ME2 one.

[AdmiralCheez]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Yeah, I play Infiltrator, and have no problem with Vanguard players. In fact.  I have great synergy with them. Besides, the score tallies mean nothing really, so long as all enemies are down that's what matters.

My bestest bro rolls Infiltrator, and we totally wreck everything together.  Vans and Infies were meant to be best frienemies.

And yeah, everyone gets the same amount of credits/XP at the end, so who cares about the scores?

[Nashiktal]

On the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other too much?

[AdmiralCheez]

Nashiktal wrote...

On the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other too much?

You need somebody who can handle ranged combat and armored targets, preferably someone who is good at getting in and out of ugly situations relatively quickly to constantly revive your stupid ass.

Because Vanguards are very, very good at dying.  If I had a nickel for every time I accidetally charged myself into a bad situation...

[Syntarsis]

Nashiktal wrote...

On the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other too much?

If there's no communication between the vanguards they tend to conflict with each other but if they're communicating then... well it's faaaaabulouusssss.

Vanguards work well with adepts/engineers/ w/e

[Arcadian Legend]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Yeah, I play Infiltrator, and have no problem with Vanguard players. In fact.  I have great synergy with them. Besides, the score tallies mean nothing really, so long as all enemies are down that's what matters.

My bestest bro rolls Infiltrator, and we totally wreck everything together.  Vans and Infies were meant to be best frienemies.

And yeah, everyone gets the same amount of credits/XP at the end, so who cares about the scores?

Also, thy must make at least 5 memes for every class. What's your GT?

>implying you play ecksbawks

[filetemo]

loool so true

[Arcadian Legend]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Yeah, I play Infiltrator, and have no problem with Vanguard players. In fact.  I have great synergy with them. Besides, the score tallies mean nothing really, so long as all enemies are down that's what matters.

My bestest bro rolls Infiltrator, and we totally wreck everything together.  Vans and Infies were meant to be best frienemies.

And yeah, everyone gets the same amount of credits/XP at the end, so who cares about the scores?

Know what I love abusing? Rezzing vanguards while cloaked in the middle of a death trap. Because the moment the Vanguard is back the death trap exists no more.

When you think about it Infs make perfect combat medics.

[AdmiralCheez]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Also, thy must make at least 5 memes for every class. What's your GT?

>implying you play ecksbawks

I am without sexbox, unfortunately.

(Oh god all the classes what have I gotten myself into...)

[ZzOoRrGg]

I would love to play with a good vanguard. The ones I've seen do the following:
-Melee a guardian's shield. This tends to happen when I have finally locked into that little window for the pretty red splatter.
-Pack that beginner assault rifle instead of a shotgun. Nothing wrong with it, unless you...
-Biotic charge into a massive group of enemies. My Mantis can only shoot so fast, you know. Which is important to note when you...
-Do the above to a massive group of enemies that is further away than our other teammates can reach. You're pretty much alone at this point.

Modifié par ZzOoRrGg, 21 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[ObserverStatus]

Nashiktal wrote...

On the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other too much?

Vangaurds work great together, sometimes when a vanguard charges into a fight to tough for them to handle and gets KO'd, it takes another vanguard to rescue her.

[Nashiktal]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

On the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other too much?

You need somebody who can handle ranged combat and armored targets, preferably someone who is good at getting in and out of ugly situations relatively quickly to constantly revive your stupid ass.

Because Vanguards are very, very good at dying.  If I had a nickel for every time I accidetally charged myself into a bad situation...

So they mesh best with ranged oriented characters that can strip defenses down on the tougher enemies?

Would a vanguard clash with other melee oriented characters? If so how would it be best to mesh them together? I like playing as a melee oriented krogan for example, relying on blood rage to disrupt and tear down enemies.

How could I best mesh with vanguard players?

[ZzOoRrGg]

I find that flanking an enemy group engaging your teammates, biotic charging them followed by a nova works very well. Note that after you do this, you are pretty much zig-zagging to avoid enemy fire, back to your teammates to recharge and do it again.

I call it the Vanguard Bomber Runs. Doesn't work well when turrets are present.

Nashiktal wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

On
the subject of vanguards, who are they best paired with? Does a
vanguard do great with another vanguard? Or do they disrupt each other
too much?

You need somebody who can handle ranged combat and
armored targets, preferably someone who is good at getting in and out of
ugly situations relatively quickly to constantly revive your stupid
ass.

Because Vanguards are very, very good at dying.  If I had a
nickel for every time I accidetally charged myself into a bad
situation...

So they mesh best with ranged oriented characters that can strip defenses down on the tougher enemies?

Would
a vanguard clash with other melee oriented characters? If so how would
it be best to mesh them together? I like playing as a melee oriented
krogan for example, relying on blood rage to disrupt and tear down
enemies.

How could I best mesh with vanguard players?

 
Anyone can follow up on a Vanguard's nova, as it knocks down anything caught in its radius, unless a Guardian is facing the vanguard with his shield at the time. Your charge/nova combo will pretty much take out any assault troopers, while the rest of the team focus fires on the higher value targets.

Modifié par ZzOoRrGg, 22 février 2012 - 12:21 .

[Alexcito]

i iz teh vanguardzz