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[Indoctrinated Spectre]

Nashiktal wrote...

N7 Spectre525 wrote...

People getting pissed at Vanguards for playing the class the way its supposed to be played make me scratch my head. Vanguard...the tip of the spear, putting our asses on the line for the team and all we get is hate and jealously. Its not my fault a good Vanguard can destroy most enemies in seconds if played properly. Sounds like a lot of whiners need to step up there game and stop acting like ****ing babies.

Failed to address most of the problems presented and addressed the superficial ones. Fails to offer any actual advice to help promote synergy between the classes

Yup, nice reply.

Although to address the point you did make...

How great is the tip of the spear without the rest of the weapon to provide the force and thrust that makes the spear so effective in the first place? A good vanguard is ok, but a great vanguard works with his team. 

Here's how I  see it. A master Vanguard does not work directly with his team. He works with them indirecrly. From experience, I can tell you that a person who's mastered the class can go to a mob of enemies and dismantle ALL of them. If you can't snipe moving targets, then you're just not good enough and need to practice some more, add anticipation to your game, but don't blame the Vanguard for pulling agro on the enemies. That's actualy a great thing, and is how the Vanguard mainly works as a team player, indirectly. 

Here's how I can take down 4 enemies at a time: Let's say there's 2 troopers, 1 centurion, and a nemesis. 

Run up to them, Nova them[100% against armor, shields, barriers], charge the fastest target I can lock on to[ 100% barrier regen] and at the moment of impact, roll to the side, look for a new target within the mob. since Nova has a devastating AoE power, the enemies should not only be paying attention to me, but they're also low on health. Easy pickings for any sniper. That's the Vanguard I play and it seems to work for the people I play with quite well. While by default, the Vanguard is hgh risk high reward, you can tweak the high risk and tone it down to low risk by adding the 100% barrier regen to your charge. 

[IlluminaZer0]

I don't quite see why people keep saying Vanguard is high risk high reward.

Charge --> Nova --> Charge is amazingly safe. It's also very easy due to the lock-on system auto targetting for you.

(Human) Vanguard is the only class that can get away with not using cover. It's not as though picking Vanguard magically makes cover use impossible.

ME2 Vanguard was never about charging the enemy groups head on, but flanking and out-manuevering. ME1 Vanguards were never the toughest front line troopers -- That was easily Soldiers (and Infiltrators, oddly enough.)

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 22 février 2012 - 08:07 .

[Sinapus]

Hm. I tended to play Engineer over the weekend, didn't get a bunch of kills though I did get a lot of assists. One thing I found useful was if a vanguard or krogan was fighting a group of people, then fire a combat drone at the side opposite where the vanguard or krogan. Then use overload and incinerate on targets of opportunity, usually the ones that were behind the vanguard or krogan.

Actually tried vanguard with a default lvl 1 human female (didn't unlock any vanguard classes) and did okay. Just used lvl 1 charge and shockwave to pick off isolated enemies and kept moving. Oh and shockwave works very well for those annoying guardians.

I've tried infiltrator but I'm not that good with the sniper rifle. Did better with the salarian w/scoped mattock and spamming energy drain all over the place.

[Jestina]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I don't quite see why people keep saying Vanguard is high risk high reward.

It is if you play on anything above bronze.

[IlluminaZer0]

Jestina wrote...

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I don't quite see why people keep saying Vanguard is high risk high reward.

It is if you play on anything above bronze.

Charge-->Nova-->Charge spam works very well on Silver. I am not interested in maxxing out for gold on the demo, but I've heard of Vanguards that have soloed over half of gold as well.

Jestina wrote...

I rarely blow nova. Most of the vanguards
I see doing that are noob types that haven't even learned how to use
charge properly yet. I guess you could probably get away with nova more
often on bronze though.

I am not certain you really understand just how effective Nova is.

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 22 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Jestina]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I am not certain you really understand just how effective Nova is.

Not as well as my shotgun.

[IlluminaZer0]

Jestina wrote...

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I am not certain you really understand just how effective Nova is.

Not as well as my shotgun.

You are invulnerable during both Charge and Nova -- And you are recharging Charge during the Nova animation, and it is very likely that everyone around you is staggered or knocked down.

The only way to get killed while spamming charge-->Nova-->charge is to get killed during the remaining cooldown after Nova -- Which is what, around a second? You can even build the Vanguard so that Nova does not consume all shields.

It's amazingly safe. Charge is pretty much auto-target, Nova is very wide AoE stunning damage.

Sorry but your shotgun has got nothing on Nova.

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 22 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Zer0flames]

Nova is great if you use it well, but if you charge into a wide area, or an elongated corridor, you don't have a chance of staggaring everybody who now (and this is a plus for the class) is wanting to kill you.

Don't spam Nova without thinking kids. It's better to spot a far off enemy and charge out.

[IlluminaZer0]

Just thought I would share:



This is SIlver btw.

[Arppis]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

Just thought I would share:



This is SIlver btw.

Infiltrator can solo the silver too.

[IlluminaZer0]

Arppis wrote...

Infiltrator can solo the silver too.

I don't see how that's relevant to my post at all.

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 22 février 2012 - 10:41 .

[magnuskn]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

Jestina wrote...

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I am not certain you really understand just how effective Nova is.

Not as well as my shotgun.

You are invulnerable during both Charge and Nova -- And you are recharging Charge during the Nova animation, and it is very likely that everyone around you is staggered or knocked down.

Almost invulnerable, Atlas and Phantoms can pick you off mid-animation with their special attacks.

[Wulfram]

Zer0flames wrote...

Nova is great if you use it well, but if you charge into a wide area, or an elongated corridor, you don't have a chance of staggaring everybody who now (and this is a plus for the class) is wanting to kill you.

Don't spam Nova without thinking kids. It's better to spot a far off enemy and charge out.

The point of Nova is to keep you safe while your charge is on cooldown - well, and to kill everything, but that's sort of incidental..  Charge-Nova-Nova-Charge means you're invulnerable as long as you make sure to have a charge target available after the two novas.

I hardly use my gun with the Vanguard.  It's for Data uploads, Guardian, Atlas, Turret (sometimes) and Extraction.  Everything else, I'm a lot safer to just keep on Novaing.

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[themaxzero]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

Jestina wrote...

IlluminaZer0 wrote...
I am not certain you really understand just how effective Nova is.

Not as well as my shotgun.

You are invulnerable during both Charge and Nova -- And you are recharging Charge during the Nova animation, and it is very likely that everyone around you is staggered or knocked down.

The only way to get killed while spamming charge-->Nova-->charge is to get killed during the remaining cooldown after Nova -- Which is what, around a second? You can even build the Vanguard so that Nova does not consume all shields.

It's amazingly safe. Charge is pretty much auto-target, Nova is very wide AoE stunning damage.

Sorry but your shotgun has got nothing on Nova.

You are most certainly not invulnerable. Seen plenty of Vanguards die mid Nova.

Modifié par themaxzero, 22 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[incinerator950]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Infiltrator can solo the silver too.

I don't see how that's relevant to my post at all.

Adept can solo Silver as well, its basically relevant in saying Here I am, I can do this, and so can everyone else.

Point taken, I've been lately getting my Charges and Nova's not having registered damage or impact on close-range targets.  It's great when you hear other people talk about something, and it never works for you.

[Arppis]

Still, I do just as fine as soldier, as I do as Vanguard. Dunno why this thread is still going. It's all about finding the ideal playstyle and going for it.

[IlluminaZer0]

The video is only 1:45 seconds long. It is not a solo video. =/

That's the only logical reason I can think that people are talking about soloing silver: No one watched it. If that is the case, don't bother replying to something you didn't even bother looking at.

Modifié par IlluminaZer0, 22 février 2012 - 11:18 .

[themaxzero]

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

The video is only 1:45 seconds long. It is not a solo video. =/

That's the only logical reason I can think that people are talking about soloing silver: No one watched it.

I watched. You basically jump back and forth killing Assault troopers and Nemesis. Bleh.

[Arppis]

themaxzero wrote...

IlluminaZer0 wrote...

The video is only 1:45 seconds long. It is not a solo video. =/

That's the only logical reason I can think that people are talking about soloing silver: No one watched it.

I watched. You basically jump back and forth killing Assault troopers and Nemesis. Bleh.

Yep, and to think people have actualy soloed Silver as Vanguard and Infiltrator.

[Kaylord]

Wulfram wrote...

Zer0flames wrote...

Nova is great if you use it well, but if you charge into a wide area, or an elongated corridor, you don't have a chance of staggaring everybody who now (and this is a plus for the class) is wanting to kill you.

Don't spam Nova without thinking kids. It's better to spot a far off enemy and charge out.

The point of Nova is to keep you safe while your charge is on cooldown - well, and to kill everything, but that's sort of incidental..  Charge-Nova-Nova-Charge means you're invulnerable as long as you make sure to have a charge target available after the two novas.

I hardly use my gun with the Vanguard.  It's for Data uploads, Guardian, Atlas, Turret (sometimes) and Extraction.  Everything else, I'm a lot safer to just keep on Novaing.

Nova is a risk. Have just one Nemesis outside Nova range and she snipes you right the momennt you novaed your own shield down. Same goes with turrets, who are not really impressed by any attempt to nova-stagger.

So, yes. Nova is playing save when all, really all enemies are close enough and no turrets around. But there are plenty of occasions where you did not see that Nemesis or those two turrets some steps away who are zooming in on you right in that precious vulnerable moment. Believe me, I tried several times to roll directly after charge or directly after nova for those fractures of seconds of vulnerability, but still, sometimes the snipe gets through and you are down and very embarrased because you again helped prejudice against vanguard players by typically charging off into the thickest pile of enemies and consequently died there without hope for timely team resurection.

On silver and gold, you thus better stay back and only charge in when you know the battlefield and preferably have Nemesis or towers locked onto your teammates. In those critical situations, it is better to not use nova and let you shield soak the eventual snipe while you recover for the next charge and do a roll for cover.

Modifié par Kaylord, 22 février 2012 - 12:12 .

[Jestina]

Most of the vanguards i've seen spamming nova...ended up dead repeatedly. Noob vanguards definitely. They charge into a group, nova, die, then expect someone to come rescue them. And then there are the vanguards running around with dinky handguns and assault rifles...who rarely use charge, except against turrets and then they promptly die. No wonder people don't like vanguards in their groups. Very few people can play them on hard difficulties.

[Arppis]

Jestina wrote...

Most of the vanguards i've seen spamming nova...ended up dead repeatedly. Noob vanguards definitely. They charge into a group, nova, die, then expect someone to come rescue them. And then there are the vanguards running around with dinky handguns and assault rifles...who rarely use charge, except against turrets and then they promptly die. No wonder people don't like vanguards in their groups. Very few people can play them on hard difficulties.

You don't approve people using handguns and assault rifles? Thats what I use with my Vanguard. Shotgun is a nice thing, but my pistol shoots faster and it can deal quite the damage. Shotgun misses pretty often if you aren't careful about it and it takes pretty long to shoot again, even with Scimitar. Not to mention it slows my character down, with AR and pistol I have +200% recharge speed all the time. They are deadly guns in my hands.

But anyhows, I agree otherwise.

[Kaylord]

Actually, thinking about it, my most successful moments were when the enemies already had locked onto a teammate who is in cover and then I charge in and bust them either one by one or close groups with nova. Fast in, fast out was the most successful way to not die in an unlucky moment.

[Arppis]

Kaylord wrote...

Actually, thinking about it, my most successful moments were when the enemies already had locked onto a teammate who is in cover and then I charge in and bust them either one by one or close groups with nova. Fast in, fast out was the most successful way to not die in an unlucky moment.

Charge in and run into cover works too.

[Eclipse_9990]

Vanguards are pretty cool.