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[Chriss0978]

wicked_being wrote...

Dear Vanguards,
I'm an asari adept who loves her supporting role. I will spam stasis bubble all over the place so please feel free to attack and watch my back. I don't mind you getting all the kills because I get more points with my assists

Anyway...you people should quit crying about getting your kills stolen. This is a co-op game. What's important is do your role, get the job done and survive.

I like you. <3<3<3<3<3<3

[Poquimo]

I'm pretty sure 90% of the time if I get killed it is right after I used a nova XD but this is back when I was lvl 1-5 and didn't realize "herpa derp if I nova first and charge second"

but I can't even begin to express how much I hate Phantoms. Always creeping around and stabbing you...but yeah on a more related note I've realized the more people stick together and don't just run off all whilly nilly (honestly, i have this prob more in groups with soldiers and infiltrators than any other class) to get kills for themselves, then you'll make it no matter how many times the vanguard dies.

When you are all close together the moment someone is down anyone can walk two steps and revive. I always always drop what ever I'm doing and try to go res fallen teammates, just because I feel it is a TEAM game. I wouldn't leave Tali or Garrus bleeding out waiting to get curb stomped! But too many people play it like a single player game, and not saying all vanguards are exempt from this either. People who go in with the mentality "I'll take care of myself so everyone else should take care of themselves too!" are gonna watch their teammates all die and it isn't because they suck (though some doooo lmao) it is because that's not how multiplayer works XD if it was it would be single player.

[Kaylord]

I have an asari adept too, but only very rarely I can lure a vanguard to home in on my statis or warp. Instead I have to use a crude pistol to finish the job. Sigh, life could be so satisfying.
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If a team member is running off, you follow them. A 2-2 setup is also very powerful as it usually splits up the enemy too and thus prevents all homing in on one position (which usually endy in team death cause to overwhelmance).

So, it is not only the fault of the member running off, but of a member not following. Always stick to another guy and you usually double your chance of survival (with the exception of some noobs).

Modifié par Kaylord, 22 février 2012 - 03:32 .

[Chriss0978]

SpottySpec wrote...

I'm pretty sure 90% of the time if I get killed it is right after I used a nova XD but this is back when I was lvl 1-5 and didn't realize "herpa derp if I nova first and charge second"

but I can't even begin to express how much I hate Phantoms. Always creeping around and stabbing you...but yeah on a more related note I've realized the more people stick together and don't just run off all whilly nilly (honestly, i have this prob more in groups with soldiers and infiltrators than any other class) to get kills for themselves, then you'll make it no matter how many times the vanguard dies.

When you are all close together the moment someone is down anyone can walk two steps and revive. I always always drop what ever I'm doing and try to go res fallen teammates, just because I feel it is a TEAM game. I wouldn't leave Tali or Garrus bleeding out waiting to get curb stomped! But too many people play it like a single player game, and not saying all vanguards are exempt from this either. People who go in with the mentality "I'll take care of myself so everyone else should take care of themselves too!" are gonna watch their teammates all die and it isn't because they suck (though some doooo lmao) it is because that's not how multiplayer works XD if it was it would be single player.

And that's why I understand all the hate on Vanguards, many think that Vanguards are meant to play alone, but a good one always plays with the team indirectly, sadly, the problem is that many don't realise that Vanguards should not got around following someone, they should disperse, disable and kill great numbers of enemies, and help his/her companions out of tight spots.

Kaylord wrote...

I have an asari adept too, but only very
rarely I can lure a vanguard to home in on my statis or warp. Instead I
have to use a crude pistol to finish the job. Sigh, life could be so
satisfying.
.
If a team member is running off, you follow them. A
2-2 setup is also very powerful as it usually splits up the enemy too
and thus prevents all homing in on one position (which usually endy in
team death cause to overwhelmance).

So, it is not only the fault
of the member running off, but of a member not following. Always stick
to another guy and you usually double your chance of survival (with the
exception of some noobs).

Many might not know that Charge can trigger a Biotic Explosion, however, most vanguards go around charging everything without scouting the are for opportunities like those you described or planning, and those are a pain to play with.

[Wulfram]

Kaylord wrote...

^^ Wulfram, the situation I described would kill you if you had used nova. In that situation I described (read it!), you have to use your shield as shield (doh!) for the time to sprint into cover instead of spamming that nova which makes said sniper kill you instead of just taking away your shield.

The situation you described wouldn't kill me because there'd be a absolutely tiny window when I'd be vulnerable.

Though it is probably fair to say that the second nova that leaves you shieldless shouldn't be fired off without some idea of who your next charge target is going to be.

edit: On the other hand, thanks to the team which got my Drell through Silver recently.  Without Nova I do tend to die far too much

Modifié par Wulfram, 22 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[Chriss0978]

Wulfram wrote...

Kaylord wrote...

^^ Wulfram, the situation I described would kill you if you had used nova. In that situation I described (read it!), you have to use your shield as shield (doh!) for the time to sprint into cover instead of spamming that nova which makes said sniper kill you instead of just taking away your shield.

The situation you described wouldn't kill me because there'd be a absolutely tiny window when I'd be vulnerable.

Though it is probably fair to say that the second nova that leaves you shieldless shouldn't be fired off without some idea of who your next charge target is going to be.

edit: On the other hand, thanks to the team which got my Drell through Silver recently.  Without Nova I do tend to die far too much

This tiny window can be exploited, rarely perhaps, but it can happen.

I don't see how you people can play a decently with the Drell Vanguard. I am absolutely useless without Nova.

[Kaylord]

wicked_being wrote...

Dear Vanguards,
I'm an asari adept who loves her supporting role. I will spam stasis bubble all over the place so please feel free to attack and watch my back. I don't mind you getting all the kills because I get more points with my assists

Anyway...you people should quit crying about getting your kills stolen. This is a co-op game. What's important is do your role, get the job done and survive.

Hmmm... that would explain why the asari I stuck to with my vanguard in the last games and I blasted every stasis of his with my charge always got more points than me... thing is, the asari also killed the bubbled enemies faster with headshots while he waited for cooldown than my charge was up and aimed again. So I concentrated back on non-statis enemies, because stasis makes good headshots and my vanguard doesn´t need headshots.

But still, it  is even more satisfying to pop a biotic explosion than do a nova.

[jbblue05]

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I hate it when my infiltrator lines up to take head shots when suddenly a vanguard comes charging into my scope and spams the hell out of nova ruining my plan. Usually when I play as a infiltrator and see a vanguard on the team I just quite, vanguards and infiltrators just don't go well with each other.

Depends how u play your infiltrator I had a teammate that was a CQC melee Infiltrator and i was a Vanguard we steanrolled Silver challenge and had about the same amount of points in the end.  I bailed him out with Charge/Nova and he bailed me out with Cloak reviving me

[HafniumMR]

I unlocked the Drell Vanguard with the pack you get at first, and I quite like it. I'm not as offensive as a nova-using Vanguard, but I have a lot of fun pulling everyone with the power maxed out, being aoe, with a good duration, some dps and making biotic detonations more powerful. I snag people out of their cover and rob guardians of their shields (several at once if they're close), and the cluster grenade is a good oh-**** power to use if you get swamped, but you have to use them sparingly.

Btw, area-pull + area charge is good fun, as is pull-shotgun at close range.

[Aurellia]

Jestina wrote...

I rarely blow nova. Most of the vanguards I see doing that are noob types that haven't even learned how to use charge properly yet. I guess you could probably get away with nova more often on bronze though.

Can you please elaborate?  As a vanguard who always wants to improve, I find that I can beat silver with few deaths as follows

my build is with a tempest.  I chose the 25% cooldown reduction for a short time after charge rather than double tap and I find that makes it much easier to stay up even in fairly crazy crowds.  

- choose to charge in an area where my team mates are sniping or moving towards
- choose two targets hopefully next to a corner or box that I can duck behind
- charge one/rotating to towards the other and hopefully identifying a third target while doing so. 
- pause a split second
- nova and hold your stick in the direction of either your next enemy or towards safe spot (door/box/ect).  This will cause you to jump towards that hopefuly damaging your next target too which sets up charge to be an instant kill.
- charge again  (with the 25% cooldown bonus my charge is almost always up by now)

The only time I get in trouble is if I can't locate my next target quickly enough.  Oddly it is most risky after I have cleared nearlly all the group and the one or two remaing are in hard to see places.  Then my having done nova leaves me naked and I can't find the target as quickly.

So for me the key skill is immediate next target acquisition, ideally you have it in mind before you charge.  Also making good use of Nova jump is key.

I have figured how to fairly reliably solo Atlas' even with a few friends around but this trick is best saved for when you have your team mates shooting at it too, ideally from the back:)  The main thing to do with Atlas is to make sure you nova jump back away from the mech so it minimizes the time that he can munch insta-kill you.

EDIT - hehe didn't realize there were 3 more pages after this post.  Good comments.  If you guys have any further ideas please feel free:)

Even though charge first works really well for me, I am going to have to experiment with Nova first.  The thing is I'm usually with my group when we come across a group of enemies so I kind of have to charge to get in the middle of whatever they are shooting at.  Otherwise, assuming they are good at what they do, they will have sniped half the mobs by the time I run up to them.

Modifié par Aurellia, 22 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[Nashiktal]

jbblue05 wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I hate it when my infiltrator lines up to take head shots when suddenly a vanguard comes charging into my scope and spams the hell out of nova ruining my plan. Usually when I play as a infiltrator and see a vanguard on the team I just quite, vanguards and infiltrators just don't go well with each other.

Depends how u play your infiltrator I had a teammate that was a CQC melee Infiltrator and i was a Vanguard we steanrolled Silver challenge and had about the same amount of points in the end.  I bailed him out with Charge/Nova and he bailed me out with Cloak reviving me

I think the point is, if the vanguard goes against your playstyle, and if you are not having any fun playing with them, 
why should you keep playing?

I think that's the issue here. A good vanguard player just isn't that fun to play with. If they take all the kills, disrupt all the players... 

Its not so much the points, everyone get them equally after all. However the whole point of the game is to have fun right? That's my theory as to why so many people are dropping out when a vanguard joins.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 22 février 2012 - 06:01 .

[Aurellia]

Nashiktal wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Razorsedge820 wrote...

I hate it when my infiltrator lines up to take head shots when suddenly a vanguard comes charging into my scope and spams the hell out of nova ruining my plan. Usually when I play as a infiltrator and see a vanguard on the team I just quite, vanguards and infiltrators just don't go well with each other.

Depends how u play your infiltrator I had a teammate that was a CQC melee Infiltrator and i was a Vanguard we steanrolled Silver challenge and had about the same amount of points in the end.  I bailed him out with Charge/Nova and he bailed me out with Cloak reviving me

I think the point is, if the vanguard goes against your playstyle, and if you are not having any fun playing with them, 
why should you keep playing?

I think that's the issue here. A good vanguard player just isn't that fun to play with. If they take all the kills, disrupt all the players... 

Its not so much the points, everyone get them equally after all. However the whole point of the game is to have fun right? That's my theory as to why so many people are dropping out when a vanguard joins.

One thing the vanguard can do is in the early stages assuming it is fairly safe is to charge to the back of the enemy spawn point and fight your way back to the party.  Most non-vanguards seem to appreciate you leaving the nearby stuff to them while you take out the stuff that is trying to snipe them out of their reach.   This also has the nice advantage that if someone drops you have targets nearby that you can charge and kill and you're right there for a quick res.

On Firebase White for example charge off the ladder to the back of the lower platform and roll right.  Now you can clear all the mobs that are not in light of sight of your team while they pick off the ones approaching them.  Move into the hall and make sure you've destroyed all the ones that would be flanking them.  Once you are done with this start finishing the ones they are attacking on the lower platform and then move to the middle platform which is where they are likely to be focusing their efforts.  This doesn't eliminate the kill imbalance but it at least gives the team a nice meaty part of the job. 

Of course in later stages I move closer to the team.  However it is still a good idea to go into the corridor and start clearing.  In this case, if the other players are skilled, one of them will follow me and help with this.  This usually results in killing mechs with no missiles and they help me kill the pesky guardians by me charging and exposing their backs to my partner.  My favarite mech kill is Assist - 800

Playing this way seems to get me friend requests and people welcoming me back into their groups.  I'm also happy to load up my Asari Adept or Krogan Soldier if there are 1 or 2 Vanguards in the group already.

To the person who said only Vanguard can ignore cover.  I find I can ignore cover most of the time with Human Sent/Krogan Soldier/Human Adept/Asari Adept.

In all cases it just takes good positioning and using powers to crowd control.  Sentinal for example with 3 chain overload lets me walk almost anywhere:)  Same goes with a warp bombing singularity Adept.  Stasis bubble adept is even easier.  Just have to avoid crowds.

Modifié par Aurellia, 23 février 2012 - 01:04 .

[Jenova65]

Meh.... I think I must be a terrible vanguard, I just play to have fun. I charge recklessly, sometimes it pays off, sometimes I lie there calling ''I'm dying, I'm dying......... I'm dead... just leave me here''
BUT.... I am glad I don't play with some of you, you seem to forget it is supposed to be fun and luckily for me, I shouldn't need to because the people I play with are f**.... flipping epic and revive me if they can knowing that my nova might just clear the enemies that crowd them when they are in trouble and because (I think) they like me... And because we play as much to be with each other and have a laugh as we do for MP itself.
It's the reason I play TOR... for being able to *spend time* with my friends who I might not otherwise be able to spend time with because they live in a different country....
I'm not trying to be the best, I am trying to have fun in a game................ *shrugs* And anyway, everyone knows soldiers are the real ***holes........... ;') JK....

[RogueState]

@ Jenova,

We love playing we you too hun! We be rocking the MP! And I think you're not giving yourself enough credit on the Vanguard, you play it really well.

And playing should definately be about the fun first, the challenge second, what's the point in playing if you don't enjoy it and just get stressed?

[Jenova65]

Lordy12 wrote...

@ Jenova,

We love playing we you too hun! We be rocking the MP! And I think you're not giving yourself enough credit on the Vanguard, you play it really well.

And playing should definately be about the fun first, the challenge second, what's the point in playing if you don't enjoy it and just get stressed?

Fankoo  But I am reckless, right...?  

[GarethJShep]

i rather the soldier class

[Eire Icon]

We don't need to think about strategy or tactics, this is about survival,

We charge or we die !

[ttt333]

i played a 3 vanguard (high level) + 1 adept match on silver last night, and it was the easiest one I've ever played (bronze included). It was incredibly simple. Just stick together, and turrets, phantoms, and even atlases go down incredibly quick.

At one point we had an Atlas surrounded with 3 guys charge/nova-ing, and 1 adept warp bombing. Fastest I've ever seen one go down without a missle.

[RogueState]

Jenova65 wrote...

Lordy12 wrote...

@ Jenova,

We love playing we you too hun! We be rocking the MP! And I think you're not giving yourself enough credit on the Vanguard, you play it really well.

And playing should definately be about the fun first, the challenge second, what's the point in playing if you don't enjoy it and just get stressed?

Fankoo  But I am reckless, right...?  

Totally reckless, no one can charge and Nova a turrett like you

[Jenova65]

Lordy12 wrote...

Jenova65 wrote...

Lordy12 wrote...

@ Jenova,

We love playing we you too hun! We be rocking the MP! And I think you're not giving yourself enough credit on the Vanguard, you play it really well.

And playing should definately be about the fun first, the challenge second, what's the point in playing if you don't enjoy it and just get stressed?

Fankoo  But I am reckless, right...?  

Totally reckless, no one can charge and Nova a turrett like you

Along with the line 'Argh, I'm charging a turret.... why am I charging a turret, I'm gonna die.... *pause* Oooooooh, I killed it''   

[Aurellia]

Jenova65 wrote...

Meh.... I think I must be a terrible vanguard, I just play to have fun. I charge recklessly, sometimes it pays off, sometimes I lie there calling ''I'm dying, I'm dying......... I'm dead... just leave me here''
BUT.... I am glad I don't play with some of you, you seem to forget it is supposed to be fun and luckily for me, I shouldn't need to because the people I play with are f**.... flipping epic and revive me if they can knowing that my nova might just clear the enemies that crowd them when they are in trouble and because (I think) they like me... And because we play as much to be with each other and have a laugh as we do for MP itself.
It's the reason I play TOR... for being able to *spend time* with my friends who I might not otherwise be able to spend time with because they live in a different country....
I'm not trying to be the best, I am trying to have fun in a game................ *shrugs* And anyway, everyone knows soldiers are the real ***holes........... ;') JK....

I'm not sure why you don't think we're playing to have fun.  I have been having more fun than I've had in years in a multiplayer game.  Last night Elite Vanguard Shock Corps took on gold with 4 vanguards for the first time and we made it to round 5 on our first attempt.  Now that is fun:)  Also the company was great.  Thanks Jav for starting the group.

Modifié par Aurellia, 23 février 2012 - 05:50 .

[Warazn]

The most annoying thing about them is their selfish gameplay style, their abilities to engage every single fight first and split up ennemies.It's bad synergy with most of the other classes and it can put your whole team in danger.
Charge is OP and should have a longer CD, at least 4 sec with one equiped weapon.

1,2, left click.. 1,2, left click.. 1,2, left click.. 1,2, left click.. 1,2, left click.. I just soloed bronze! (even silver)

[Dachau Joseph]

Garethj17 wrote...

i rather the soldier class

in b4 ME3 !=Halo