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[Citizen Q]

Citizen Q wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Arppis wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

Vanguard playstyle isn't OP. It works as intented, it's "High risk, high reward"-playstyle. You are putting yourself in danger every time you charge, something can always go wrong and you can miscalculate your chances. And that's why Vanguard needs to kill fast as possible.

EDIT: Triple Post/Win.

There is almost no risk on lower difficulties if you do it right.

On
bronze, about the only thing that ever kills me is a insta-kill from an
Atlas because I am spam charging it due to all my teammates being
morons, dead, or both.

A do so love charging in and rescuing a helpless Quarian Engineer from Phantoms though.

Spec my Vanguard for minimal cooldown... Check.

Carry only a pistol.... Check.

Spam Charge, Nova and Heavy Melee.... Check.

Always win..... Check.

Save Quarian like a boss..... Check.

Tap That...... Double Check.

Modifié par Citizen Q, 19 février 2012 - 08:10 .

[kumquats]

Zkyire wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

Infiltrator: 1 shot: 1 kill.

Don't complain that classes are overpowered. They're not.

Vanguard: 1 charge: everything dies, even a rock.
Was I complaining? No. I just ignore the Infiltrator, like I ignored this class in ME2 and destroy everything.

[Thoragoros]

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

The reason you think Vanguards are OP is

1) Because you refuse to put down that Quarian Engineer on Silver and Gold matches.

2) Because you insist on trying to play an Adept like its a Sentinel.

3) Because you insist on charging into ever swarm of enemies you see with your Krogan Soldier.

4) Because you are an Infiltrator who doesn't like Sniper Rifles.

The truth is every class has strengths and weakness.  And if you can't play to your chosen class's strengths other player's will look OP because you keep needing to be rescued.  

[Arppis]

kumquats wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

Infiltrator: 1 shot: 1 kill.

Don't complain that classes are overpowered. They're not.

Vanguard: 1 charge: everything dies, even a rock.
Was I complaining? No. I just ignore the Infiltrator, like I ignored this class in ME2 and destroy everything.

Dunno, maybe it's just my specc, but I can't kill anyone by just doing a charge. It does drop enemy health quite a bit thou.

Citizen Q wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Citizen Q wrote...

Arppis wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

Vanguard playstyle isn't OP. It works as intented, it's "High risk, high reward"-playstyle.
You are putting yourself in danger every time you charge, something can
always go wrong and you can miscalculate your chances. And that's why
Vanguard needs to kill fast as possible.

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

EDIT: Triple Post/Win.

There is almost no risk on lower difficulties if you do it right.

On
bronze, about the only thing that ever kills me is a insta-kill from an
Atlas because I am spam charging it due to all my teammates being
morons, dead, or both.

A do so love charging in and rescuing a helpless Quarian Engineer from Phantoms though.

Spec my Vanguard for minimal cooldown... Check.

Carry only a pistol.... Check.

Spam Charge, Nova and Heavy Melee.... Check.

Always win..... Check.

Save Quarian like a boss..... Check.

Tap That...... Double Check.

Specc it right and you can carry shotgun and rifle with minimal cooldown!

Yep, bronze is pretty easy. I walk around with my soldier and shoot everyone down with concusion shots and avenger bullets, tossing grenades around. He's just as much death machine as my Vanguard is.

But agreed that when you got enough levels, the bronze isn't a challenge anymore.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 février 2012 - 08:19 .

[Zkyire]

kumquats wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I only understand that people flame vanguards, because they are ridiculously OP.
There is no other class, where I can so easily destroy enemies in a matter of seconds. It's INSANE!

Infiltrator: 1 shot: 1 kill.

Don't complain that classes are overpowered. They're not.

Vanguard: 1 charge: everything dies, even a rock.
Was I complaining? No. I just ignore the Infiltrator, like I ignored this class in ME2 and destroy everything.

I'm just annoyed is all.

I played WoW for years and every time a patch came out people who played other classes would whine about X class to the point where the devs caved in and the nerf bat came out.

Even when they weren't OP.

Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

[Thoragoros]

Zkyire wrote...
Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

I'm seeing this happen to most Vanguard players I encounter anyway, and I can't imagine what Matches will look like if Vanguards get nerfed on top of it.

[Arppis]

Thoragoros wrote...

Zkyire wrote...
Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

I'm seeing this happen to most Vanguard players I encounter anyway, and I can't imagine what Matches will look like if Vanguards get nerfed on top of it.

Haha, too true. I bet they are spamming that Nova in wrong spots and not realizing to charge more often.

[Citizen Q]

Arppis wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

Zkyire wrote...
Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

I'm seeing this happen to most Vanguard players I encounter anyway, and I can't imagine what Matches will look like if Vanguards get nerfed on top of it.

Haha, too true. I bet they are spamming that Nova in wrong spots and not realizing to charge more often.

With the appropriate cooldown buffs and only carrying a pistol, my charge is already available before I've finished Nova facing some poor mook. Then charge again and shields back up. If you do it right, its pretty hard to die on lower difficulties.

[kumquats]

Zkyire wrote...

I'm just annoyed is all.

I played WoW for years and every time a patch came out people who played other classes would whine about X class to the point where the devs caved in and the nerf bat came out.

Even when they weren't OP.

Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

Look, I love meele. I always play meele at high risk. I have a Krogan Soldier, where I headbutt an Atlas on Bronze. A **** slap everything dead.
That's accaptable.
You have to aim your meele, which is a bit of a challange.

And then look at the Vanguard. I skilled him, that Nova makes a lot of AE damage and I can flank and charge into 3 enemies.

I did play Silver and I had to check if I really was playing on Silver. That never happened with any other class. So maybe I'm just made for the Vanguard. I don't know.
But as someone who played a lot of different classes on the MP, there was no other class were I felt so strong.

I just don't feel like someone with uber skill. I'm avarage in my opinion and there was just no class where I was cleaning the battlefield so easy, as with the human Vanguard.

So it's hard for me to believe, that people flame that class because they die a lot. But I understand that people flame them, because they kill everything so fast.

[Arppis]

Citizen Q wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

Zkyire wrote...
Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

I'm seeing this happen to most Vanguard players I encounter anyway, and I can't imagine what Matches will look like if Vanguards get nerfed on top of it.

Haha, too true. I bet they are spamming that Nova in wrong spots and not realizing to charge more often.

With the appropriate cooldown buffs and only carrying a pistol, my charge is already available before I've finished Nova facing some poor mook. Then charge again and shields back up. If you do it right, its pretty hard to die on lower difficulties.

Without the right skill choices the shotgun weights quite a bit, so they propably have that and some backup weapon, making their cooldowns longer. Not everyone knows that weight plays a huge factor in the skills.

I die now and then, but not often. I carry shotgun and Avenger. Pretty good combo imo.

kumquats wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I'm just annoyed is all.

I
played WoW for years and every time a patch came out people who played
other classes would whine about X class to the point where the devs
caved in and the nerf bat came out.

Even when they weren't OP.

Thing
with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones
literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands
back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then
what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

Look,
I love meele. I always play meele at high risk. I have a Krogan
Soldier, where I headbutt an Atlas on Bronze. A **** slap everything
dead.
That's accaptable.
You have to aim your meele, which is a bit of a challange.

And then look at the Vanguard. I skilled him, that Nova makes a lot of AE damage and I can flank and charge into 3 enemies.

I
did play Silver and I had to check if I really was playing on Silver.
That never happened with any other class. So maybe I'm just made for the
Vanguard. I don't know.
But as someone who played a lot of different classes on the MP, there was no other class were I felt so strong.

I
just don't feel like someone with uber skill. I'm avarage in my opinion
and there was just no class where I was cleaning the battlefield so
easy, as with the human Vanguard.

So it's hard for me to believe,
that people flame that class because they die a lot. But I understand
that people flame them, because they kill everything so fast.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sideways.png[/smilie]

As
I said, they are ment to kill fast, because they risk a lot by charging
in middle of enemies. If they would make it worse, Vanguards would be
dead meat.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 février 2012 - 08:38 .

[darkblade]

Bachi1230 wrote...

OP no just no. Vanguards are not essential to win a game. And from what I've read in your post I'm assuming you're one of those not so bright Vanguards who charge into a group of enemies at the start without support and dies often.

rft wrote...

I am a Vanguard and I always get shouted at by Infiltrators among other classes because i'm "stealing their kills". It's not my fault when I charge into a group of enemies and begin wrecking ****. I can't tell who you are shooting at.

Any good infiltrator should be killing enemies in one shot anyway.

Thats one heck of a generalization there. since i dont play my infiltrator anything like that.

[TheLeoMan]

My combat drone + a vanguard buddy=Best bros

[kumquats]

Arppis wrote...
As I said, they are ment to kill fast, because they risk a lot by charging
in middle of enemies. If they would make it worse, Vanguards would be
dead meat.

Yeah yeah, my meele Krogan Soldier doesn't risk anything. You humans are all racist.

[Thoragoros]

kumquats wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I'm just annoyed is all.

I played WoW for years and every time a patch came out people who played other classes would whine about X class to the point where the devs caved in and the nerf bat came out.

Even when they weren't OP.

Thing with Vanguards is that they're powerful yes. But they're the only ones literally throwing themselves at the enemy while everyone else stands back It wouldn't make sense for their abilities to be weak. Because then what? They charge the enemy and get massacred.

Look, I love meele. I always play meele at high risk. I have a Krogan Soldier, where I headbutt an Atlas on Bronze. A **** slap everything dead.
That's accaptable.
You have to aim your meele, which is a bit of a challange.

And then look at the Vanguard. I skilled him, that Nova makes a lot of AE damage and I can flank and charge into 3 enemies.

I did play Silver and I had to check if I really was playing on Silver. That never happened with any other class. So maybe I'm just made for the Vanguard. I don't know.
But as someone who played a lot of different classes on the MP, there was no other class were I felt so strong.

I just don't feel like someone with uber skill. I'm avarage in my opinion and there was just no class where I was cleaning the battlefield so easy, as with the human Vanguard.

So it's hard for me to believe, that people flame that class because they die a lot. But I understand that people flame them, because they kill everything so fast.

So maybe without realizing you are just more comfortable with the Vanguard playstyle than anything else?  And because you're actually playing well with a class you didn't expect to stick with, you believe its overpowered?

Take me, for instance.  I came to this expecting to play as an Adept.  Most of my characters, in fact my best characters, in ME2 were Adept.  Yet in ME3 Co-Op I've ended up playing as Soldier and now as Krogan Soldier,  I don't know what's different from ME2 to ME3 that would make me change my style so drastically, but hey, I don't care, I'm having fun.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 19 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Its easy to get yourself killed as a low level vanguard. I didn't realise having an assault rifle and shotgun was gimping my cooldowns when I was first playing so charging into a group would get me killed. I played it safe for a few matches until I got my level up and now I don't have much trouble. I do sometimes get killed if I can't get a lock on someone to charge but don't expect someone to come save me if I've messed up. I don't really get killed more than anyone else though.

[Arppis]

kumquats wrote...

Arppis wrote...
As I said, they are ment to kill fast, because they risk a lot by charging
in middle of enemies. If they would make it worse, Vanguards would be
dead meat.

Yeah yeah, my meele Krogan Soldier doesn't risk anything. You humans are all racist.

Haha, atleast it doesn't use shields when Krogan uses melee!

[kumquats]

Thoragoros wrote...

So maybe without realizing you are just more comfortable with the Vanguard playstyle than anything else?  And because you're actually playing well with a class you didn't expect to stick with, you believe its overpowered?

Vanguard is my favourite class in ME2 and I always planed on using it for my first Insanity run in ME3.
*smiles and wave*

So I think, I'm flattered that you think I'm that awesome with the Vanguard and everyone else just sucks.

[Butthead11]

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

[Butthead11]

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

[Butthead11]

kumquats wrote...

Thoragoros wrote...

So maybe without realizing you are just more comfortable with the Vanguard playstyle than anything else?  And because you're actually playing well with a class you didn't expect to stick with, you believe its overpowered?

Vanguard is my favourite class in ME2 and I always planed on using it for my first Insanity run in ME3.
*smiles and wave*

So I think, I'm flattered that you think I'm that awesome with the Vanguard and everyone else just sucks.

If you don't have to aim a gun(Which half of vanguards don't) it's not a tough class to play and is hard to claim to be skilled at. 

[Arppis]

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

Just enjoy it. It's a team effort. Support the Vanguard in his rushes and make sure he doesn't die. The ranged classes are useful. Assists are no shame.

Plus, Vanguards totaly have to aim their guns, you see shotguns usualy require headshots to do their jobs. And after a charge you need to be fast to shoot it.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 février 2012 - 09:27 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

the trade off for a fast CD is that most of us only use one weapon, 2 max, so we're handicapping ourselves with weaponry.  we excel at close combat. so rightfully they are insane in CQC.   And kills doesnt mean squat. you get points for assists so quit qq'ing.

[Butthead11]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Nova needs to be nerfed significantly(insta killing 12 enemies even if it is bronze isn't cool).
Charge CD needs to be increased by 1 sec
Then they will be balanced.

My Nova just tickles them.

I've seen Vanguards able to do half their Health bar down on the silver difficulty and have seen them literally kill6-7 at a time with it on bronze. Makes playing a long range character useless since vanguards just steal all the kills, and at best i get a few assist. 

the trade off for a fast CD is that most of us only use one weapon, 

Thats not a fair trade. Insta charge+AoE spam>Having a sniper or submachine gun you will never use.

"so rightfully they are insane in CQC "
Krogans have insane CQC, what you have is godmode that require little skill and racks up the points, stealing it from classes that actually require skill to play. 

Modifié par Butthead11, 19 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Citizen Q]

Many Vanguard players, myself not included, suck anyway. So if you go nerfing Nova, which most vanguards rely on for CQA (otherwise known as close-quarters-awesome) the problem of having noob vanguards charging into hordes of enemies and getting annihilated is only going to be worse.

Nova is fine as it is. It completely drops shields, that is a HUGE risk, and plays very well with the whole high risk high reward persona of a Vanguard.