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#26
ncknck

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ed87 wrote...
Whereas having 2 different characters only seperated by gender seems very superficial, and redundant with the unlocking system

See, an unlocking system is made to unlock something. In which case it unlocks a different character, now you say its only a shape, so what? Its still something people want, so its locked to create a sense of progression and gaining. Why? Because people judge everything based on looks, and not skills. hah, good joke.

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Ok, indulge me for a moment:
Human Infiltrators: Tactical Cloak, Sticky Grenade, Cryo Blast.

Now imagine if either gender was given Incinerate (ex.) instead of Cryo Blast. A thread (likely multiple threads) would be created questioning the difference, and it wouldn't be pretty. Wheter arguing and/or complaining which gender should have what, or stating that they should have been equal in the first place. And oddly, they would kind of have a point. :)

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The point here people is that they dont want the male and female to be unlocked seperately because some people dont like playing one or the other. In my case i took a female character because i wanted (whatever the cross between tech and adept is called) and the only option available was female human. I've since unlocked the male human for it, but i dont really see the point of switching over after doing all that work.

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Damien Nightwind wrote...

The point here people is that they dont want the male and female to be unlocked seperately because some people dont like playing one or the other. In my case i took a female character because i wanted (whatever the cross between tech and adept is called) and the only option available was female human. I've since unlocked the male human for it, but i dont really see the point of switching over after doing all that work.


When you have a lvl 15 male Soldier and unlock the female version, she is lvl 15, too.
So I don't see the problem.
It's still like wearing thrilling hats in TF2. :police:

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Damien Nightwind wrote...

The point here people is that they dont want the male and female to be unlocked seperately because some people dont like playing one or the other. In my case i took a female character because i wanted (whatever the cross between tech and adept is called) and the only option available was female human. I've since unlocked the male human for it, but i dont really see the point of switching over after doing all that work.

Well, that does make sense, when they are simply that, a gender option with no skill differences, both should be available at start. But there's also this:

kumquats wrote...

When you have a lvl 15 male Soldier and unlock the female version, she is lvl 15, too.
So I don't see the problem.

But I agree that you shouldn't be "forced" to start playing as either gender, like you described. I get that, yes. :)

Modifié par BhelShep, 18 février 2012 - 07:41 .


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vladgd wrote...

my theory.

in the single player game, you can play a male or female version of sheppard. in the multiplayer, they give you male and female human options since people have preference to one or the other.

Exactly. There are gender options in multiplayer for the same reason there are gender options in the single player, even if it is binary. Duh.

It WOULD be great if you didn't have to unlock genders of species tho.

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I think they should add more races and simply make the sex part of customisation instead.

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In all seriousness, it's probably just a way to give you more build options.

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I want it to just be an option, it would allow a higher chance at unlocking the other classes, instead of something identical statistically.

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MacDuffin wrote...

I want it to just be an option, it would allow a higher chance at unlocking the other classes, instead of something identical statistically.


I think this is the biggest thing I dislike about it. Aesthetics be damned it's annoying that you statistically have a much higher chance of unlocking something you already have unlocked but with adifferent coat of paint insead of something actually new and differnt (not even taking into consideration the rarity disparity of such things). Gender really should be a customization option or something if they're going to be statistically identical.

Modifié par Riot Inducer, 18 février 2012 - 08:10 .


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Dasher1010 wrote...

I'd like to see male Quarians and female Turians.

Do want.

It'd be great to see playable male Quarians, especially after their introduction in ME2, and it'd be nice to see female Turians as well, even though it hasn't been confirmed if the females are fighters or not.

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Vaandrasl_Amuande wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

I'd like to see male Quarians and female Turians.

Do want.

It'd be great to see playable male Quarians, especially after their introduction in ME2, and it'd be nice to see female Turians as well, even though it hasn't been confirmed if the females are fighters or not.


Actually it has been confirmed. In ME2 Garrus talks about a female turian he knew in the millitary. She was the top scout on their ship and she sparred with Garrus (in more than one way;)). So yes female turians are very much fighters and don't have the lore reasons to prevent them from being playable soldiers like the Krogans and Salarians.

On that note there's also no good reason for not having female drell as well.

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i think that they should have just had a gender toggle personally- and given Turians and Quarians the toggle as well, rather than trying to pass off male and female humans with exactly the same abilities as different options. What a waste of an unlock.

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Has anyone even confirmed that both male and female aren't unlocked from the start in the full version? I have yet to see the opposite to the default sex in the demo, while I have seen all the other races. Has anyone confirmed that you could unlock the female/male counterpart to a class in the demo? If not, I have a feeling the current demo just has them locked, like the other guns, to trim the size of the demo, and that in the full version we will see the female and male versions of the humans unlocked from the start. (Oh and where are our male Quarians?, they have had models since ME2)

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I want to play a Salarian in every class.

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no, since you can't change your upgrades once you clicked "confimed", you can do different builds on male/female to be ready for different situations. For example I'd have my male vanguard to focus on heavy melee damage so i can charge/nova/heavy melee for him, and have my female vanguard to focus on weapon damage and health so i can charge/nova/shotgun in the face when I feel like to.

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I wouldn't mind the male/female types if it weren't for the fact that they both have the exact same power set.

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Maybe males get to carry more weight from the start and females have shorter cooldowns? Wait... that's leads to the same end. Wow, I guess there is no point to both genders other than allowing people to sort of roleplay their favorite class as themselves.

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They seem redundant due to cerberus. If the enemies greatly vary, I think of speccing entirely different for other enemies.

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I don't mind them removing female characters. But I for one want to play as male. So, that's the point of it.

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No thanks. Get rid of the guys and keep the ladies. I'm sick of all the cruddy games out there that stick you with a male character.

Modifié par Jestina, 26 février 2012 - 11:14 .


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Because if they just have males then some will complain about no females and if there are no males then people will complain about just females.

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EJ107 wrote...

i think that they should have just had a gender toggle personally- and given Turians and Quarians the toggle as well, rather than trying to pass off male and female humans with exactly the same abilities as different options. What a waste of an unlock.

This please.

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 I figured that you could take advantage of this and train each character in different skill trees, so if you have a team that needs this or that set of abilities, you can switch up if you need to.  To balance out your character list, you know?  But these are just my thoughts, I'm not sure what bioware's motives are.

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People aren't clear on what the OP is saying. He doesn't want to remove one gender as an option, but rather he's talking about the point of having to unlock another character whose only new feature is purely aesthetic.

If both male and female have the same class and abilities, why do you have to work to unlock both?