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[E-Type XR]

Before this begins, I'd like to say that I am not a whiner. I have very high hopes for ME3. That being said, there is something in the back of my mind.

I'm ever so slightly worried that ME3 might be the biggest screw-up this side of Duke Nukem Forever. Now, while I'm not usually this far in the negative, it does occasionally glance across my mind.

The pressure really is on Bioware for this one. While ME1 had no pressure due to it being released in 2007 (the pre-COD era), there was no push for making money hard and fast. As such, they could experiment and create what was, at its time, a great game. It would be rose-tinted to deny that ME1 has aged. While the story holds up (possibly better than ME2's story), the game play has aged. ME2 was in the beginning of the COD-era. As such, while it wasn't that affected, it clearly was hit by the advances of the COD effect.

We could create a whole other thread covering that, however. ME3 is now in the mass-marketing era. Whether you call me conspiracy theorist or not, it would be impossible to deny EA has pushed for certain, more casual elements in the game. While this is clearly just good business and can't really be looked on as a point of blame, it does raise concerns. ME1 was great because it was a game with no expectations. ME3 is very, very heavily expected to be good.

Perhaps it's just a part of following the hype and believing what the devs say 100%. I'd also say that I have very high expectations of ME3. This push, and want for the "ultimate game" may just come out as being ME3's failing point.

Maybe some of it comes from here. It's hard to read a thread without seeing how someone thinks Bioware has ruined everything and how Shepard now only has one liners as his whole dialogue. While these are clearly hyperbole, it does somehow wriggle into my mind. The lack of dialogue choice in the demo (I do realise that the devs have explained this, but I can't be certain until I see it) does create a sense of fear for how the story of ME3 plays out.

I want Mass Effect 3 to succeed and live up to its hype. But there is something in the back of my mind telling me it may all go wrong. It all hangs in the balance till the game hits.

What do you think?

Modifié par E-Type XR, 18 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Sten.

[Cainne Chapel]

From everything i've seen from the Demo and the Leaked Demo....

I am FAR FAR FAR from worried. In fact I'm so excited I may do a backflip later

In any case its ALWAYS good to temper your extreme hype with realistic goals.  Do I think ME3 will be the greatest game ever? Well for me, until the next one, yeah.

but seriously ME3 I expect will be as good as ME2 and ME1 and thats all I want and expect and thus far i'm not dissapointed, Multiplayer is very fun, the gameplay was enjoyable and what i've seen of some of the leaked demo footage, they did very well with past characters and interactions so I'm very much happy

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 18 février 2012 - 09:16 .

[Dreadwing 67]

My advice is stay away from the forums and keep in mind ME3 does not even come anywhere close to CoD (I shudder when people compare them).

[Mazebook]

Nope, I really liked the demo. I even like the Multiplayer and i never play mp.

[Rickin10]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

My advice is stay away from the forums and keep in mind ME3 does not even come anywhere close to CoD (I shudder when people compare them).

What about Gears of War? 

[Takio]

Actually, if it fails I will eat my hat and run in the streets nakes lubed with butter to escape the pursuing police officers.

ME 3 has an even longer Dev time than ME 2 and look how that turned out. A resounding success (to most)

[What a Succulent Ass]

ME1 was released in 2007.

...Or perhaps...I AM LOSING MY MIND????

[KotorEffect3]

E-Type XR wrote...

Before this begins, I'd like to say that I am not a whiner. I have very high hopes for ME3. That being said, there is something in the back of my mind.

I'm ever so slightly worried that ME3 might be the biggest screw-up this side of Duke Nukem Forever. Now, while I'm not usually this far in the negative, it does occasionally glance across my mind.

there was no push for making money hard and fast. As such, they could experiment and create what was, at its time, a great game. It would be rose-tinted to deny that ME1 has aged. While the story holds up (possibly better than ME2's stThe pressure really is on Bioware for this one. While ME1 had no pressure due to it being released in 2001 (the pre-COD era), ory), the game play has aged. ME2 was in the beginning of the COD-era. As such, while it wasn't that affected, it clearly was hit by the advances of the COD effect.

We could create a whole other thread covering that, however. ME3 is now in the mass-marketing era. Whether you call me conspiracy theorist or not, it would be impossible to deny EA has pushed for certain, more casual elements in the game. While this is clearly just good business and can't really be looked on as a point of blame, it does raise concerns. ME1 was great because it was a game with no expectations. ME3 is very, very heavily expected to be good.

Perhaps it's just a part of following the hype and believing what the devs say 100%. I'd also say that I have very high expectations of ME3. This push, and want for the "ultimate game" may just come out as being ME3's failing point.

Maybe some of it comes from here. It's hard to read a thread without seeing how someone thinks Bioware has ruined everything and how Shepard now only has one liners as his whole dialogue. While these are clearly hyperbole, it does somehow wriggle into my mind. The lack of dialogue choice in the demo (I do realise that the devs have explained this, but I can't be certain until I see it) does create a sense of fear for how the story of ME3 plays out.

I want Mass Effect 3 to succeed and live up to its hype. But there is something in the back of my mind telling me it may all go wrong. It all hangs in the balance till the game hits.

What do you think?

Uh ME 1 came out  in fall of 2007 which was the same time CoD 4 was taking off, so I wouldn't call ME 1 that dated.

[LGTX]

If you hang around these forums, you end up feeling sceptical. The amount of expectations and hype I see floating around here, I'm surprised how the boards haven't blown up yet ) So while not sharing your point of view for one second, I do understand how you feel. Half the whiners here are just concerned fans, and I'm just at the point where I want to see the game end it all by coming out already =)

[Vez04]

E-Type XR wrote...

Before this begins, I'd like to say that I am not a whiner. I have very high hopes for ME3. That being said, there is something in the back of my mind.

I'm ever so slightly worried that ME3 might be the biggest screw-up this side of Duke Nukem Forever. Now, while I'm not usually this far in the negative, it does occasionally glance across my mind.

The pressure really is on Bioware for this one. While ME1 had no pressure due to it being released in 2001 (the pre-COD era), there was no push for making money hard and fast. As such, they could experiment and create what was, at its time, a great game. It would be rose-tinted to deny that ME1 has aged. While the story holds up (possibly better than ME2's story), the game play has aged. ME2 was in the beginning of the COD-era. As such, while it wasn't that affected, it clearly was hit by the advances of the COD effect.

We could create a whole other thread covering that, however. ME3 is now in the mass-marketing era. Whether you call me conspiracy theorist or not, it would be impossible to deny EA has pushed for certain, more casual elements in the game. While this is clearly just good business and can't really be looked on as a point of blame, it does raise concerns. ME1 was great because it was a game with no expectations. ME3 is very, very heavily expected to be good.

Perhaps it's just a part of following the hype and believing what the devs say 100%. I'd also say that I have very high expectations of ME3. This push, and want for the "ultimate game" may just come out as being ME3's failing point.

Maybe some of it comes from here. It's hard to read a thread without seeing how someone thinks Bioware has ruined everything and how Shepard now only has one liners as his whole dialogue. While these are clearly hyperbole, it does somehow wriggle into my mind. The lack of dialogue choice in the demo (I do realise that the devs have explained this, but I can't be certain until I see it) does create a sense of fear for how the story of ME3 plays out.

I want Mass Effect 3 to succeed and live up to its hype. But there is something in the back of my mind telling me it may all go wrong. It all hangs in the balance till the game hits.

What do you think?

Wow you must not have kept up with times.

ME1 released in 2007. Not 2001

Modifié par Vez04, 18 février 2012 - 09:19 .

[Dreadwing 67]

Rickin10 wrote...

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

My advice is stay away from the forums and keep in mind ME3 does not even come anywhere close to CoD (I shudder when people compare them).

What about Gears of War? 

I don't see the problem with it being like gears in terms of presenation (think more cinematical and not story, not too many people liked it) and gameplay because GoW really nailed third person shooter I think. ME can only benefit from it considering ME also has powers.

[Medhia Nox]

The problem is not with Mass Effect 3 - the problem is with your expectations.

This is the answer for nearly all human woes

[Dreadwing 67]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The problem is not with Mass Effect 3 - the problem is with your expectations.

This is the answer for nearly all human woes

Alot of people invent their own expectations here and are mad when they are not fulfiled (granted we are sometimes promised one thing many months back and then find it scrapped near the end of developement).

[Rickin10]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

My advice is stay away from the forums and keep in mind ME3 does not even come anywhere close to CoD (I shudder when people compare them).

What about Gears of War? 

I don't see the problem with it being like gears in terms of presenation (think more cinematical and not story, not too many people liked it) and gameplay because GoW really nailed third person shooter I think. ME can only benefit from it considering ME also has powers.

I largely agree, I just hope it doesn't go too far down that road at the expense of what makes Mass Effect great.

[Atakuma]

Bioware is trying too hard to make games that appeal to as many people as possible, without putting much thought into the actual quality of the product. This type of mentality is what gave us DA2, which severely damaged bioware's reputation.

This is just what it feels like to me. I hope I'm wrong.

[eye basher]

But i liked DA2 hell i liked awekenings more than origins.

[Dreadwing 67]

Atakuma wrote...

Bioware is trying too hard to make games that appeal to as many people as possible, without putting much thought into the actual quality of the product. This type of mentality is what gave us DA2, which severely damaged bioware's reputation.

This is just what it feels like to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Nothing wrong with making it more appealing to the greater masses, that is never the problem. It is taking out TOO much from the core and ruining it that becomes the problem. As much as I want to defend ME3, I don't have it yet to say:crying:

[E-Type XR]

Vez04 wrote...

E-Type XR wrote...

Before this begins, I'd like to say that I am not a whiner. I have very high hopes for ME3. That being said, there is something in the back of my mind.

I'm ever so slightly worried that ME3 might be the biggest screw-up this side of Duke Nukem Forever. Now, while I'm not usually this far in the negative, it does occasionally glance across my mind.

The pressure really is on Bioware for this one. While ME1 had no pressure due to it being released in 2001 (the pre-COD era), there was no push for making money hard and fast. As such, they could experiment and create what was, at its time, a great game. It would be rose-tinted to deny that ME1 has aged. While the story holds up (possibly better than ME2's story), the game play has aged. ME2 was in the beginning of the COD-era. As such, while it wasn't that affected, it clearly was hit by the advances of the COD effect.

We could create a whole other thread covering that, however. ME3 is now in the mass-marketing era. Whether you call me conspiracy theorist or not, it would be impossible to deny EA has pushed for certain, more casual elements in the game. While this is clearly just good business and can't really be looked on as a point of blame, it does raise concerns. ME1 was great because it was a game with no expectations. ME3 is very, very heavily expected to be good.

Perhaps it's just a part of following the hype and believing what the devs say 100%. I'd also say that I have very high expectations of ME3. This push, and want for the "ultimate game" may just come out as being ME3's failing point.

Maybe some of it comes from here. It's hard to read a thread without seeing how someone thinks Bioware has ruined everything and how Shepard now only has one liners as his whole dialogue. While these are clearly hyperbole, it does somehow wriggle into my mind. The lack of dialogue choice in the demo (I do realise that the devs have explained this, but I can't be certain until I see it) does create a sense of fear for how the story of ME3 plays out.

I want Mass Effect 3 to succeed and live up to its hype. But there is something in the back of my mind telling me it may all go wrong. It all hangs in the balance till the game hits.

What do you think?

Wow you must not have kept up with times.

ME1 released in 2007. Not 2001

Ah, a very embarising slip up. I was recieting from memory, which can get a little hazy sometimes. Still, I'd call it pre-COD, as the COD era only really began with MW2. It's when they relaised they could milk the cash cow.

[Vez04]

eye basher wrote...

But i liked DA2 hell i liked awekenings more than origins.

I dident like DA2 though, don't even wanna go into details why.

[Ianamus]

I'm worried, but as long as I keep my hopes down I'm sure to be pleasantly surprised.

honestly, the worst thing you can do is hype the game to much. The more excited you get the more likely you are to be let down. One of the reasons I loved Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins so much was because I had really low expectations from them, and then I loved them.

In many ways I wish I had not found Mass Effect until now and hadn't been following the games progress. I found it at Mass Effect 2 and played the games back to back without waiting a full development time, and I think it made me enjoy the game a lot more than the people who had prior expectations.

[DJStarstryker]

Yeah. 2001 was the PS2, Gamecube, and original Xbox days. Gamecube and original Xbox just came out late 2001. PS2 had only been out for a year. Timing kinda screws up OP's argument a little.

Either way, I'm not worried. Yeah, Duke Nukem Forever did fall flat. But part of that game's problem is it didn't even take new shooting game mechanics into account. It was still trying to be a mid-90's shooter, but with better graphics.

Bioware has already shown between ME1 and ME2 that they try to evolve the game series for the better. And, IMO, if you liked ME2, I don't see why you won't like ME3. From the demo, the two games are pretty similar minus ME3 having multiplayer and the roll mechanic. (Yeah, there's customizable weapons and the level up system works a bit differently, but the demo doesn't let us play with that very much.) Plus Bioware has always been about choice for Shepard in the ME series. Do you really think the lack of choice that the demo has will be in the full game? I didn't think that'd be the case even before they confirmed it's not.

[AmyBA]

Random Jerkface wrote...

ME1 was released in 2007.

...Or perhaps...I AM LOSING MY MIND????

No, ME1 was for sure released in 2007... I have NO IDEA where he got 2001 from.


I don't feel concerned or worried about ME3. I think my expectations are pretty realistic(for myself anyway).

I think they have taken the good things from ME1 and ME2, expanded on them/tweaked them a little, and I think they have a recipe for a good game.

I am expecting the story to be good as well, Bioware always writes a good story. I have yet to be disappointed in or hate a game they have put out.

Modifié par AmyBA, 18 février 2012 - 09:41 .

[KotorEffect3]

eye basher wrote...

But i liked DA2 hell i liked awekenings more than origins.

Well Zaeed is in awakening

[Atakuma]

Dreadwing 67 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bioware is trying too hard to make games that appeal to as many people as possible, without putting much thought into the actual quality of the product. This type of mentality is what gave us DA2, which severely damaged bioware's reputation.

This is just what it feels like to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Nothing wrong with making it more appealing to the greater masses, that is never the problem. It is taking out TOO much from the core and ruining it that becomes the problem. As much as I want to defend ME3, I don't have it yet to say:crying:

Well, that is what I was trying to imply. There is nothing wrong with wanting to expand your audience, but there is something wrong when you do so by intentionally dilluting your game's mechanics until it's virtually indestinguishable from everything else.

Modifié par Atakuma, 18 février 2012 - 09:32 .