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[Plinkett]

Well you can't deny the success of COD, can you?

Bioware has obviously forgotten about putting love and care into games, and just want to get as much profit as possible. Well, at least the demo conveys this. I'll still play the actual game, but I am extremely doubtful. Especially after the fiasco that was, Dragon Age 2...

[KotorEffect3]

EJ107 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

No

Your loss, since you're coming across as more whiny than the people your complaining about. 

If people have concerns about Mass Effect 3 than they should backup their concerns with things that are related to Mass Effect such as things they saw in the demo or things in the first two games they hoped were addressed.  ME 1 and ME 2 are way more relevant to ME 3 than DA 2 will ever be.  The reason I am a fan of both franchises is because they are so different from each other.  When I need a break from the Mass Effect universe I often play Dragon Age (both of them) to get a completely different feel in a completely different setting with completely different gameplay mechanics.  Only similarities I see are squad based combat (though the combat itself is much different) and sometimes the sharing of voice actors.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 18 février 2012 - 10:11 .

[Legion64]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Sten.

Nein

[Xarathox]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

While I'm not a fan who thinks that Bioware has sold out or anything, I do have concerns for this game. Probably mainly because I felt really let down by Dragon Age 2, and am worried that it'll happen again.

As long as I still feel like I'm playing my same Shepards, and I have a completely different experience with each Shepard, I'll be happy.

For crying out loud, why do people always have to bring up DA 2 in an ME 3 discussion?  Dragon Age is not Mass Effect.  I am a fan of both franchises but they are completely different franchises, different settings, different gameplay mechanics and styles, different fanbases, and different dev teams.  Why can't people figure that out?  Just because they both have bioware/EA logos on the box doesn't mean they are the same thing.  It is completely illogical and irrational for people to keep saying "but DA 2" in a freakin Mass Effect 3 discussion.

Because it has some relevence. While both games were made by two different dev teams, it's still under one banner. It's not unheard of for a ****ty release made by a different team end up having an effect on another franchise in a single company. Happens quite often, actually.

Look at Splinter Cell. That series has a very wishy-washy development history, due to Ubisoft having two different teams working on each subsequent sequel for a single franchise. Whose to say BW didn't bring in some from the DA2 dev team to work on ME3? All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch, after all.

How about the MGS series? That was made by one dev team throughout its entirety, and some of its problems are mainly due to a single man (Hideo Kojima) and some of his retarded ideas that've made it into the games.

Peter Molyneux? No need to get into Fables history...everyone knows about that ****.

The point being, the greatest dev companies can and often do **** on their own series for a myriad of different reasons. And if they've done it before, you can bet your ass they will likely do it again. It may not be intentional, but it happens.

Hell, BWs own track record prior to the DA2 debacle wasn't spotless. That game gets the most mention in comparison because it's the most recent scar.

[saturos2]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

From everything i've seen from the Demo and the Leaked Demo....

I am FAR FAR FAR from worried. In fact I'm so excited I may do a backflip later

In any case its ALWAYS good to temper your extreme hype with realistic goals.  Do I think ME3 will be the greatest game ever? Well for me, until the next one, yeah.

but seriously ME3 I expect will be as good as ME2 and ME1 and thats all I want and expect and thus far i'm not dissapointed, Multiplayer is very fun, the gameplay was enjoyable and what i've seen of some of the leaked demo footage, they did very well with past characters and interactions so I'm very much happy

well from what i read in the leak, many, many, many people will be disapointed. granted there will be that 25% who likes it or sticks by bioware no matter what. I, on the other hand, am not that 25%.

[Cainne Chapel]

android654 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

android654 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bioware is trying too hard to make games that appeal to as many people as possible, without putting much thought into the actual quality of the product. This type of mentality is what gave us DA2, which severely damaged bioware's reputation.

This is just what it feels like to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Agreed, which is why I think its best to wait for reviews.

You agree that they're trying to please TOO many people and yet want to wait for mainstream reviews that are tailored for the masses.....hmm...

Honestly i have not looked at one review for a game i've bought since... well since 2010 I dont think.  I just buy what I think I'll like now adays.  

Exactly, I want to know if the changes are worth the money and effort. What better way to do that than by hearing the critiques of others who have played it?

Thats the problem with me though, how do other people know what I like? even based on their critiques? Thats why I play a game for myself, if I dont like it, I return it.

From what i've garnered of the demo for myself? I'll love ME3 like I did one and two.  So no need for reviews.

Hell if i listened to the critiques of others and took them to heart I wouldn't enjoy most of the games I frequent the forums of

[Sheepie Crusher]

The problem with DA2 is not the dev team, the problem is that it takes at least 2 years to develop a good, polished game while the DA2 team had only 16 months

Modifié par Sheepie Crusher, 18 février 2012 - 10:20 .

[Klijpope]

Jeez, it's like some folk are holding a grudge over DA2, they have to keep bringing it up everywhere.

It's not even as if there is a general consensus it was that bad anyway - it has the very definition of a 'mixed-reception'.

And not that relevant to a discussion about ME3, especially with only 3 weeks to go, and it's pretty immature dragging up the pointless arguments again.

[Cainne Chapel]

saturos2 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

From everything i've seen from the Demo and the Leaked Demo....

I am FAR FAR FAR from worried. In fact I'm so excited I may do a backflip later

In any case its ALWAYS good to temper your extreme hype with realistic goals.  Do I think ME3 will be the greatest game ever? Well for me, until the next one, yeah.

but seriously ME3 I expect will be as good as ME2 and ME1 and thats all I want and expect and thus far i'm not dissapointed, Multiplayer is very fun, the gameplay was enjoyable and what i've seen of some of the leaked demo footage, they did very well with past characters and interactions so I'm very much happy

well from what i read in the leak, many, many, many people will be disapointed. granted there will be that 25% who likes it or sticks by bioware no matter what. I, on the other hand, am not that 25%.

Well heavens forbid differing of opinions!

Bottom line is Bioware will NEVER please everyone (No one or nothing will...ever... in your life or mine or anyones) So they'll do their best for those that they can please.  Will I enjoy absolutely EVERYTHING about ME3? Probably not, same as I didn't with ME1 or ME2 or any other game i've played for the last 20+ years, but I'm sure I'll enjoy enough that i'll be entertained and my money well spent.

as for your %'s eh I tend to stay away from those as I dont speak for anyone but myself and cant and wont speak for others.  Some will not like ME3 *shrugs* it happens, Some didn't like ME2 or ME1 or Baldurs gate or DA:O or Kotor or Jade Empire and so on.

We'll just have to live I guess.


For the record, I enjoyed DA2 for what its worth, played through it twice and done with it.  I also enjoyed DA:0 and awakenings, not near as much as ME mind you, but neither were bad games.  DA:O was good for that old school style RPG and DA2 was a decent RPG in its own right, both had issues and neither of em, to me anyway, were outstanding, fun, but not outstanding.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 18 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[incinerator950]

I find it amusing that Bioware took the stance to please several minority groups at once, and yet people complain about that its happening, when the community has been demanding it since ME 1, hell probably before that knowing these people.

If the Fallout Community hasn't changed in ten years, I doubt this one is any better, certainly worse.

Modifié par incinerator950, 18 février 2012 - 10:22 .

[ediskrad327]

i'm not worried, excluding bad animations, crab people on earth and the wird looking water the demo seem pretty good

[BatmanPWNS]

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

[RocketManSR2]

Yes, I worry about the sanity of the BSN all the time.

[incinerator950]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

The largest Sheep flock that also has one of the largest successful marketing strategies.  It's what happens when the Niche community stops being niche because the company wants to expand its interests, not cater to people who seem inconvienanced. 

Granted I dislike CoD, for numerous reasons.  However, I will state that the marketing share for it is incredibly high, same with Battlefield.  They work, and I've seen more people try the demo and actually want to get ME 3 then people for ME 1 or ME 2.  

[drhelio212]

Nah, not worried at all. I'm pretty sure the game is going to be awesome-mundo.

[KotorEffect3]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

lol and CoD is made by a completely different developer in a completely different genre.

[RocketManSR2]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

It's all they've got. They clearly haven't played the MP for ME3 or they wouldn't be confusing one for the other.

[KBomb]

The only thing that worries me are the depth and outcomes of the decisions made in ME1 and ME2 and whether or not they'll be glazed over or even forgotten.


I am also concerned about the rumor I heard that your GR will cap at 50% in SP and you'll have to gain the rest through MP and other applications such as iphone, etc. Also, that it can decrease under certain circumstances. I am trying not to worry too much about this, since it could be wrong. I heard it came from the data mine of the demo, but I don't know. If it's true—then they completely lied and it would be a huge deal breaker for me. If it is wrong, then the former is the only major issue I have.

[AlexXIV]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

It's all they've got. They clearly haven't played the MP for ME3 or they wouldn't be confusing one for the other.

I haven't played COD but thinking about buying it since everyone mentions it all the time. I really want to know what exactly people complain about.

[Nu-Nu]

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

The problem with DA2 is not the dev team, the problem is that it takes at least 2 years to develop a good, polished game while the DA2 team had only 16 months

Agreed!

DA2 was rushed, they didn't have enough time to make an interesting world to explore or add depth to the story and characters.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

No

Your loss, since you're coming across as more whiny than the people your complaining about. 

If people have concerns about Mass Effect 3 than they should backup their concerns with things that are related to Mass Effect such as things they saw in the demo or things in the first two games they hoped were addressed.  ME 1 and ME 2 are way more relevant to ME 3 than DA 2 will ever be.  The reason I am a fan of both franchises is because they are so different from each other.  When I need a break from the Mass Effect universe I often play Dragon Age (both of them) to get a completely different feel in a completely different setting with completely different gameplay mechanics.  Only similarities I see are squad based combat (though the combat itself is much different) and sometimes the sharing of voice actors.

DA2 has relevance.

EA put pressure on Bioware to release DA2 as soon as possible, the reason why it is nowhere as good as DA:O. If EA  put the same pressure on ME3, than the same effect might happen to ME3, but I think ME3 is too big of a franchise and the expectations and audience for ME3 are much higher than DA2 for Bioware to rush the same way they did DA2, I hope that at least. Though, what I've seen from the demo, it looks like ME3 will be good.

[Mims]

Nope. I have nit picks and things that may make me groan, but mp alone has been amazingly fun.

If single player fails, I'll just do the time honored nerd tradition: catacomb myself in my (nonexistent) basement, forever working on my great manifesto/fanfiction to solve all errors. Then I'll mail it to bioware, get a restraining order, and widdle away my final days on message boards.

[android654]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

android654 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

android654 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bioware is trying too hard to make games that appeal to as many people as possible, without putting much thought into the actual quality of the product. This type of mentality is what gave us DA2, which severely damaged bioware's reputation.

This is just what it feels like to me. I hope I'm wrong.

Agreed, which is why I think its best to wait for reviews.

You agree that they're trying to please TOO many people and yet want to wait for mainstream reviews that are tailored for the masses.....hmm...

Honestly i have not looked at one review for a game i've bought since... well since 2010 I dont think.  I just buy what I think I'll like now adays.  

Exactly, I want to know if the changes are worth the money and effort. What better way to do that than by hearing the critiques of others who have played it?

Thats the problem with me though, how do other people know what I like? even based on their critiques? Thats why I play a game for myself, if I dont like it, I return it.

From what i've garnered of the demo for myself? I'll love ME3 like I did one and two.  So no need for reviews.

Hell if i listened to the critiques of others and took them to heart I wouldn't enjoy most of the games I frequent the forums of

I've read the leak, I've played the demo, and I'm still not convinced as to whether or not this game is worth me paying the full amount on its release day. So I'm on the fence. Outside of looking up reviews from varying sources,  what other alternatives do I have? If I'm genuinely excited for a game, I simply preorder it a few days in advance and get it on it's release day.

[KotorEffect3]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Sheepie Crusher wrote...

The problem with DA2 is not the dev team, the problem is that it takes at least 2 years to develop a good, polished game while the DA2 team had only 16 months

Agreed!

DA2 was rushed, they didn't have enough time to make an interesting world to explore or add depth to the story and characters.

KotorEffect3 wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

No

Your loss, since you're coming across as more whiny than the people your complaining about. 

If people have concerns about Mass Effect 3 than they should backup their concerns with things that are related to Mass Effect such as things they saw in the demo or things in the first two games they hoped were addressed.  ME 1 and ME 2 are way more relevant to ME 3 than DA 2 will ever be.  The reason I am a fan of both franchises is because they are so different from each other.  When I need a break from the Mass Effect universe I often play Dragon Age (both of them) to get a completely different feel in a completely different setting with completely different gameplay mechanics.  Only similarities I see are squad based combat (though the combat itself is much different) and sometimes the sharing of voice actors.

DA2 has relevance.

EA put pressure on Bioware to release DA2 as soon as possible, the reason why it is nowhere as good as DA:O. If EA  put the same pressure on ME3, than the same effect might happen to ME3, but I think ME3 is too big of a franchise and the expectations and audience for ME3 are much higher than DA2 for Bioware to rush the same way they did DA2, I hope that at least. Though, what I've seen from the demo, it looks like ME3 will be good.

Thing is ME 3 has had plenty of development time, it has been a little over 2 years now since the release of ME 2 and I know they have been working on ME 3 since before the release of ME 2.  That is relatively the same as the time frame between ME 1 and ME 2 and it is safe to say ME 2 wasn't rushed.

[android654]

AlexXIV wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

It's all they've got. They clearly haven't played the MP for ME3 or they wouldn't be confusing one for the other.

I haven't played COD but thinking about buying it since everyone mentions it all the time. I really want to know what exactly people complain about.

It's considered plebeian since its short and the mp aspect appeals to the most common of demographics with very litle variety in it's audience. Personally, the campaign is almost always great if you like military fiction, but after 5 hours, there's only the mp left to attract players.

Modifié par android654, 18 février 2012 - 10:45 .

[KotorEffect3]

android654 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why, oh why, do people have to mention COD when they're complaining?

It's all they've got. They clearly haven't played the MP for ME3 or they wouldn't be confusing one for the other.

I haven't played COD but thinking about buying it since everyone mentions it all the time. I really want to know what exactly people complain about.

It's considered plebeian since its short and the mp aspect appeals to the most common of demographics with very litle variety in it's audience. Personally, the campaing is almost always great if you like military fiction, but after 5 hours, there's only the mp left to attract players.

My overall attitude toward CoD is one of indifference,  don't like it and don't hate it.  Fun enough to play for maybe 30 minutes at a time but nothing that draws me back into it.