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[Veggiesofmanycolors]

Is there any legitimate criticism behind it or is it just part of the trite "EA is evil" rhetorical nonsense that has become all too common.

Isn't competition a good thing or should all PC games fall under the monolithic Steam umbrella?

[Dominus]

-The first 2 Mass Effects never required something akin to Steam and Origin. No one wants yet another program on their computer for this.

-Spyware/Datamining.

-EA is evil nonsense.

Edit: On a side note, origin requires online connection at every use. With offline mode, steam does not, as long as you have the games installed and ready. You can use origin's offline mode, but only after going through the connection phase in the first place.

Modifié par DominusVita, 18 février 2012 - 11:24 .

[bmwcrazy]

Awesome first post. Will read again!

[Phaffner]

One major difference between Steam and EA's Origins is that Steam does not produce their own games, They simply offer a service allowing you to buy games on line and play them over their service. EA's Origins affects only EA's games and there by forms a monopoly forceing you to have Origins installed on your system in order to be able to play only EA's produced games

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

Here is an idea. How about not buying it if you don't like it? Last I checked EA was not forcing anybody to buy their product and it's not your right to play the game.
Suck it up and just deal with Origin, buy their games on consoles or just don't buy it at all.

[slimgrin]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Here is an idea. How about not buying it if you don't like it? Last I checked EA was not forcing anybody to buy their product and it's not your right to play the game.
Suck it up and just deal with Origin, buy their games on consoles or just don't buy it at all.

Brilliant argument there.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Is there any legitimate criticism behind it or is it just part of the trite "EA is evil" rhetorical nonsense that has become all too common.

Isn't competition a good thing or should all PC games fall under the monolithic Steam umbrella?

Pretty much the former.
I have used Origin for a few games and apart from a few issues with installation(ie. downloading a game when I had the retail copy) which I also had with Steam, I don't see anything weong with itThere is the argument that it requires you to be online to play EA games and I'm not too sure if that's true. I remember when I first got Amalur my internet went down for like half a day but I was still able to play  with Origin in offline mode(the only feature that was disabled was the in-game connection to EA servers and downloadable content.So I dunno.  I think it is as they say much ado about nothing.

[wolfsite]

Haven't had a problem with Origin yet.  I'm sure once they get more features into the client that should aid things.  Hell Steam had the same backlash when it first came out (and people still complain about it on the forums on a regular basis).

However you can already see the next phase on the horizon in terms of delivering content and that is Stream/Cloud gaming and that is what a lot of people have problems with from high nadwidth usage to losing all of the games if you don't pay the subscription fee for it.

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

I think people just like to think they're rebels and they think speaking out against Origin makes them sound all cool and counter-culture like they're sticking it to the man.

[chunkyman]

Busomjack wrote...

I think people just like to think they're rebels and they think speaking out against Origin makes them sound all cool and counter-culture like they're sticking it to the man.

Undoubtably, many people only hate it because it's hip. However, I think a lot of people have genuine problems with Origin being required.

[Veggiesofmanycolors]

If Origin actually prevents people from being able to play the games they purchase, then that's a legitimate criticism.
As for it being Spyware, I doubt it. That is what everybody said about Steam at first I remember.

I think it's just you know EA is a big company and gamers like to think they're fighting some sort of digital civil rights movement against the fascist tyranny of DRM blah blah blah you know how it goes.

[Huntress]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Is there any legitimate criticism behind it or is it just part of the trite "EA is evil" rhetorical nonsense that has become all too common.

Isn't competition a good thing or should all PC games fall under the monolithic Steam umbrella?

Pretty much the former.
I have used Origin for a few games and apart from a few issues with installation(ie. downloading a game when I had the retail copy) which I also had with Steam, I don't see anything weong with itThere is the argument that it requires you to be online to play EA games and I'm not too sure if that's true. I remember when I first got Amalur my internet went down for like half a day but I was still able to play  with Origin in offline mode(the only feature that was disabled was the in-game connection to EA servers and downloadable content.So I dunno.  I think it is as they say much ado about nothing.

"the only feature that was disabled was the in-game connection to EA servers and downloadable content"

It still connect you to EA, I know because my DA2 is set to NO connect and I lag alot, few seconds later it said: disconected from the server wich it shouldn't have connected in the first place.  I don't think they are evil just annoying or stupid, pick any of them I go with both.

[taine]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

Here is an idea. How about not buying it if you don't like it? Last I checked EA was not forcing anybody to buy their product and it's not your right to play the game.
Suck it up and just deal with Origin, buy their games on consoles or just don't buy it at all.

With all due respect (none) you can bite me.

I should not be forced to install something I don't want on my computer in order to play a game I paid for. 

[Monica83]

I have already steam i don't need origins and if EA will force using it to play EA games i simple don't puchase EA games... THe problem of the EA is evil fact its not a fantasy but a reality.. They tend to buy and disband game companyes.. Like its happened with westwood...And i also don't like how they costantly lies in marketing campaign.. For me EA is a big company but for sure not professional at all.. Just look at their customer services..

[Elhanan]

Personally, I hate having Steam, and have no plans to get Origin; simply wish to play the games from my system, as an IP ain't always a sure thing. If and when I lose the internet for whatever reason, it would be rather nice to have some modern games that do not require connectivity to prove I purchased them.

Guess this is why I still hold on to the BG seies, PS:T, and other older unplayed titles; one day I may need them.

[Zanallen]

slimgrin wrote...

Brilliant argument there.

But its the truth. Money talks. If enough people feel as you do and decide to not buy the game due to Origin, and don't pirate it either, then it could change EA's mind. That's how capitalism works. Vote with your wallet, people. That's the problem with a lot of gamers. They are unwilling to go without so they either suck it up and purchase something they don't fully agree with or they pirate the game and give the developers/publishers the ammo needed to crack down harder.

[Zanallen]

taine wrote...

With all due respect (none) you can bite me.

I should not be forced to install something I don't want on my computer in order to play a game I paid for. 

You haven't purchased the game yet. You know the requirements for the game. You now have the choice to purchase the game and live with those requirements or to forgo purchasing it in order to stick to your principles.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Monica83 wrote...

I have already steam i don't need origins and if EA will force using it to play EA games i simple don't puchase EA games... THe problem of the EA is evil fact its not a fantasy but a reality.. They tend to buy and disband game companyes.. Like its happened with westwood...And i also don't like how they costantly lies in marketing campaign.. For me EA is a big company but for sure not professional at all.. Just look at their customer services..

:lol:That was rather amusing to read. By your same argument pretty much all the other big game devs are also evil.
The only thing in that posts that actually not exaggerated is the customer service complaint.

[Monica83]

Andarthiel_Demigod wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

I have already steam i don't need origins and if EA will force using it to play EA games i simple don't puchase EA games... THe problem of the EA is evil fact its not a fantasy but a reality.. They tend to buy and disband game companyes.. Like its happened with westwood...And i also don't like how they costantly lies in marketing campaign.. For me EA is a big company but for sure not professional at all.. Just look at their customer services..

:lol:That was rather amusing to read. By your same argument pretty much all the other big game devs are also evil.
The only thing in that posts that actually not exaggerated is the customer service complaint.

Activision and EA are the Worst company for those reasons..Its not exagerate its true.. Just search around..

[Addai]

It's in the EULA that they can scan all your files. Not just your game files, but all your program files. Whether they actually do this, no one knows, but Steam has no such clause and there is no good reason for it.

Their platform also sucks. I've been locked out of two games now- DAO and ME2- because EA can't authenticate my DLCs or in the case of ME2, tells me my authentication code is already being used, probably because I reached the install limit. Good luck talking to EA customer service. So your advice is well taken, OP. I'm not buying any more EA games as long as they take this attitude that paying customers are all potential pirates they need to nanny. If they could nanny well, that would at least be acceptable if still dickish, but they can't find their posteriors with a flashlight so their exclusivity means exclusively poor service. No thank you.

Steam actually gives you value for your money, they've built up goodwill by giving customers what they want at good- sometimes outrageously good- prices, whereas EA is trying to manipulate people into buying their products from Origin. If you've got a good platform, you don't need to mess around with that to compete with Steam.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Addai67 wrote...

It's in the EULA that they can scan all your files. Not just your game files, but all your program files. Whether they actually do this, no one knows, but Steam has no such clause and there is no good reason for it.

Their platform also sucks. I've been locked out of two games now- DAO and ME2- because EA can't authenticate my DLCs or in the case of ME2, tells me my authentication code is already being used, probably because I reached the install limit. Good luck talking to EA customer service. So your advice is well taken, OP. I'm not buying any more EA games as long as they take this attitude that paying customers are all potential pirates they need to nanny. If they could nanny well, that would at least be acceptable if still dickish, but they can't find their posteriors with a flashlight so their exclusivity means exclusively poor service. No thank you.

Steam actually gives you value for your money, they've built up goodwill by giving customers what they want at good- sometimes outrageously good- prices, whereas EA is trying to manipulate people into buying their products from Origin. If you've got a good platform, you don't need to mess around with that to compete with Steam.

Ah yes DRM, that's a genuine complaint. It's not just EA I dislike when any dev has extreme DRM measures

[Addai]

Everyone has DRM (except GOG.com), but there's DRM that's draconian and intrusive and just plain bad, and then there's DRM you can live with. EA is not as bad as Ubisoft, but they are getting there.

As consumers you have the choice to reward companies that have good DRM practices and to not buy from those that are punishing the paying customers for trying to buy their games.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 février 2012 - 10:06 .

[slimgrin]

Origin sucks. Steam sucks. GoG sits like a king on a throne, and long live the king.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 février 2012 - 10:42 .

[Chromie]

Veggiesofmanycolors wrote...

I think people just like to think they're rebels and they think speaking out against Origin makes them sound all cool and counter-culture like they're sticking it to the man.

Ah man I guess Busomjack, Turniproot, Borschbeet just couldn't stay away from BSN.

And I really don't understand how NOT buying or complaining against Origin is percieved as cool or counter culture. /facepalm x100

slimgrin wrote...
Brilliant argument there.

 

As much as I hate Busomjack I have to agree don't buy it. Ofcourse 1 person out of millions won't make much a dent and I'm too weak to resist Mass Effect.

Modifié par Ringo12, 20 février 2012 - 12:13 .