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[mereck7980]

Every since I started getting details about ME3 there has been one thing that has really bothered me.  Why wasn't Shepard ever promoted from the rank of Commander?  After the battle of the citidel you would think that the Alliance brass would have bumped Shep up to at least Major right?  

Ash and Kadian both got promoted and Kirahee is now a Major.  Why is the most accomplished solider in the galaxy still at the same rank  they held at the begining of the series? 

Also, if Kadian is alive in your playthrough wouldn't he out rank Shepard (Kadian is now a Major)?  Given the fact that the Normandy SR2 is now an Alliance vessel wouldn't he be in command by default?  

I am not trying to nitpick, but I am curious if anyone else has thought about this quandry besides me.  

[StefanBW]

A couple of months after ME1 Shepard dies, then two years later he/she returns and works for an enemy of Citadel Space - then he/she blows up a Batarian system and gets put on trial by the Alliance.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Shepard is an Lt Commander. If Shepard did get promoted, it would've been to Commander, thus retaining the Commander Shepard.

[mereck7980]

stefanbw wrote...

A couple of months after ME1 Shepard dies, then two years later he/she returns and works for an enemy of Citadel Space - then he/she blows up a Batarian system and gets put on trial by the Alliance.

The events of ME2 and Arrival would absoultely prevent Shepard from being promoted.  He/She is technically not even in the Alliance anymore when the game starts, so the "Commander" title is little more than an honorific gesture.

I am really referring to the time period immediately following the end of ME1.  You would think the first thing the Alliance would do is throw Shepard a new rank, even if he/she is a Spectre.  

Modifié par mereck7980, 19 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[StefanBW]

Oh yeah I see it now. Sorry, didn't quite read it right. :x

On topic: have no idea about that.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Technically, the Alliance doesn't need to promote Shepard. The Alliance is part of the Council, Shepard is a Spectre. Shepard's authority would supersede everyone as a Spectre anyway with Alliance's new position in the galaxy. Shepard's Spectre status is probably superior to all rankings but Admiral and the Council themselves.

[Darth_Trethon]

Not a definite requirement....Shepard has more experience being in command of a ship and knows the ship better than anyone. Kaidan also has issues with his L2 implants which could prevent him from being in command. He may simply be an "advisor" to Shepard. Then in the military you also have a definite job separation.....a junior enlisted can tell a major to stay in his line if overriding orders from a general conflicted with what the major wanted to do....while rare this DOES happen. Anderson is an admiral and he says Shepard is in command....that means that Kaidan has to follow that order too....the end.

[squee365]

continuity?

[DJBare]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

Technically, the Alliance doesn't need to promote Shepard. The Alliance is part of the Council, Shepard is a Spectre. Shepard's authority would supersede everyone as a Spectre anyway with Alliance's new position in the galaxy. Shepard's Spectre status is probably superior to all rankings but Admiral and the Council themselves.

This is why I'm hoping the spectre status is removed, it's used too much as an excuse, give my Shepard the challenge to operate without it.

[Yuoaman]

Shepard became famous throughout the galaxy as a commander, it would only confuse people really - plus, Spectres don't have ranks.

[cASe383]

Shepard is Alliance Navy, hence the Commander rank. That is equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in Army/Marine/Air Force terms.
Kaiden is an Alliance Marine, so his rank is now Major, which is equivalent to Lieutenant Commander. Ashly is Navy, and is now Lt. Commander.

[Darth_Trethon]

cASe383 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy, hence the Commander rank. That is equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in Army/Marine/Air Force terms.
Kaiden is an Alliance Marine, so his rank is now Major, which is equivalent to Lieutenant Commander. Ashly is Navy, and is now Lt. Commander.

It get all blurry because the Mass Effect rank structure is differnt from modern day millitary forces but Shepard IS in fact a Marine....go back to Mass Effect 1 to remember.

But the chain of command even as we know it is far more mangled in its functionality than most are aware. Sure we have veterans on the forums and I am one but I'd go on a limb and say none have opperated at the top of the chain to see just how many ways there are for the chain of command to step over itself and twist and so on.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 19 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[felipejiraya]

cASe383 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy, hence the Commander rank. That is equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in Army/Marine/Air Force terms.
Kaiden is an Alliance Marine, so his rank is now Major, which is equivalent to Lieutenant Commander. Ashly is Navy, and is now Lt. Commander.

The Alliance Marines are a branch of Alliance Fleet/Navy, they share the same military ranks.

It's in the Codex.  

Modifié par felipejiraya, 19 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[izmirtheastarach]

felipejiraya wrote...

The Alliance Marines are a branch of Alliance Fleet/Navy, they share the same military ranks.

It's in the Codex.  

This. Read the codex entry first.

[Shadowrun1177]

cASe383 wrote...

Shepard is Alliance Navy, hence the Commander rank. That is equivalent to Lieutenant Colonel in Army/Marine/Air Force terms.
Kaiden is an Alliance Marine, so his rank is now Major, which is equivalent to Lieutenant Commander. Ashly is Navy, and is now Lt. Commander.

Wrong Shepard is an Alliance Marine also hence the N7 which is the Alliance Special Forces. Also there is no real seperation between the Allaince Marines/Navy, they are one group like the US Marines and Navy used to be. 

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Humanity_and_the_Systems_Alliance

[Djdeedzd]

Because Commander Shepard sounds more badass. XD

[Heather Cline]

Shepard in ME3 is now a full fledged Commander when re-instated. If you go through the character creation and also choose who died on Virmire it states "Re-instatement CMDR. Shepard" not "Lt. CMDR." Therefore at the beginning of ME3 Shepard does advance one rank. Sure it isn't to Captain and sure it isn't to Admiral but it is a step up from being Lt. Cmdr.

Also as for Alenko if he is alive in your play through he actually still outranks Shepard if his rank is now Major. Because the rank of Major is the equivalent of Captain. Major is usually used for ground forces or for Air Force people. Captain is used for Naval ranks but both are equal. Therefore in actuality Alenko does technically outrank Shepard, but Shepard has more experience so Alenko would defer to Shepard in this case.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 19 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Heather Cline wrote...

Shepard in ME3 is now a full fledged Commander when re-instated. If you go through the character creation and also choose who died on Virmire it states "Re-instatement CMDR. Shepard" not "Lt. CMDR." Therefore at the beginning of ME3 Shepard does advance one rank. Sure it isn't to Captain and sure it isn't to Admiral but it is a step up from being Lt. Cmdr.

That actually shows up in ME1 if you choose the default character. CDR John Shepard. Still not sure what either means, because Commander is not a rank in the codex. The rank about LT Commander is Staff Commander. Shepard is one or the other.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 19 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[MrnDvlDg161]

Ole' Shep just keeps getting Page 11's and Article 13's - busted down that's why - a real space marine. lol

Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 19 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[Revelat0]

Heather Cline wrote...

Shepard in ME3 is now a full fledged Commander when re-instated. If you go through the character creation and also choose who died on Virmire it states "Re-instatement CMDR. Shepard" not "Lt. CMDR." Therefore at the beginning of ME3 Shepard does advance one rank. Sure it isn't to Captain and sure it isn't to Admiral but it is a step up from being Lt. Cmdr.

Having come from just playing ME1 if you look at the default character it says Alliance Marine CMDR. John Shepard as well, I don't think it has and meaning, sorry to say.

[Heather Cline]

Possibly but I prefer to think that Shepard at least went up one rank after being re-instated. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.

[felipejiraya]

I've always had the impression Shepard was promoted right after the end of ME1.

[izmirtheastarach]

I think this is just a fluke.

Since Shep is referred to as a Lieutenant Commander in the codex, that's why he is till the game explicitly tells me otherwise.

It certainly would make sense for him to be promoted after the Battle of the Citadel. But since he's a Spectre, and not really an active Alliance soldier, we don't really know.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 19 février 2012 - 04:22 .