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[Heather Cline]

Yeah it is weird and hopefully Bioware has some explanation for it. Also it isn't customary to always promote someone posthumously. Actually only those who've gone above and beyond the call of duty get that honor. Many are just buried with their current rank.

[Jackal7713]

Since, Sheppard was in the brig, the Normandy was more then likely, being retro-fitted in a space dock. It makes the most logical sense, given that it was a Cerberus ship. The Alliance would want it inspected and retro-fitted to be more of the kind of warship that serves in their military. Now if it was in a space dock, the alliance wouldn't necessarily need to assign a commanding officer, or if they did it would be a temporary assignment.

[Confused-Shepard]

It's his/her thing. You know how Colonel Sanders isn't really a Colonel?
Same with Shepard and his rank of "Commander"

[Drone223]

Its iconic, other ranks don't have the same ring Commander Shepard, the higher ranks will proberly involve more paper work Shepard proberly prefer's field work

[Revelat0]

First of all, he is technically Alliance Navy(ever since he took command of the normandy)

Secondly, he is a Spectre(unless you went renegade and chose Udina, like me! )

Thirdly, he needs to be of equal rank to Kaidan, and since I consider him an Alliance Naval officer and not a Marine anymore(Even though he was until he took command of the SR-1) he should be made a Captain(make it so Bioware) and if that is done, voila! Shepard may be of equal rank to Kaidan(Major) but he is in command considering a Captain is in charge of a vessel, and a Major(sometimes higher) can be in charge of the Marines aboard that vessel.

Fourth, and finally! Captain Shepard sounds pretty cool as well!

[Doright36]

I think Captain Shepard would be a good change but I can see why it has not happened yet. The death after ME1 combined with working with Cerbreus in ME2 pretty much makes it clear to me why Shep hasn't been given a promotion to Captain.

Also FYI in the US armed forces

Army/Marine Major= Navy Lt Commander and a Navy Full Commander = Army/Marine LT colonel.

Army/marine Captain= Nave Lieutenant and Navy Captain = Army/Marine Colonel.

Assuming they are following that in Mass Effect then Kaiden's Rank of Major would be lower than Shepard also assuming Shepard was a least promoted to Full Commander.. or Staff Commander as was suggested.

my .02 dollars.

[Prom001]

more of it:

http://social.biowar...ndex/9237221/17

[Revelat0]

Doright36 wrote...

I think Captain Shepard would be a good change but I can see why it has not happened yet. The death after ME1 combined with working with Cerbreus in ME2 pretty much makes it clear to me why Shep hasn't been given a promotion to Captain.

Also FYI in the US armed forces

Army/Marine Major= Navy Lt Commander and a Navy Full Commander = Army/Marine LT colonel.

Army/marine Captain= Nave Lieutenant and Navy Captain = Army/Marine Colonel.

Assuming they are following that in Mass Effect then Kaiden's Rank of Major would be lower than Shepard also assuming Shepard was a least promoted to Full Commander.. or Staff Commander as was suggested.

my .02 dollars.

My reference was to the Systems Alliance rank, in which Major/Captain are equal one is simply Marines, the other Navy respectively.

[izmirtheastarach]

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I think with everything that happened during ME2, it kinda screwed his/hers chances, for now. I hope we can get promoted in ME3.

I'm bucking for a promotion to "Galactic Savior".

[G3rman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

TheDaniellasaur wrote...

I think with everything that happened during ME2, it kinda screwed his/hers chances, for now. I hope we can get promoted in ME3.

I'm bucking for a promotion to "Galactic Savior".

Let's not turn this into Fallout please.

[DJBare]

I never figured Shepard as the type who wanted promotion, his whole character says it to me.

[CmdrStJean]

Ever since ME1 I've sort of thought of Shepard's "Commander' appellation as being something of an honorific. In the first game his Specter status would basically outweigh whatever military rank he held, furthermore in ME2 he comes back from the dead and is given command of a Cerberus vessel with the duties and authority of a Captain. In either case though he's still almost invariably referred to as Commander, despite the variance in situation.

I would see this as analogous to Constable Odo from Deep Space 9. Odo was Chief of Security aboard the station, but held no official or proper rank. He was called Constable out of (if memory serves) respect and tradition. No one would doubt his authority or question his position but there was nothing really official about it either. I tend to feel Shep is in the same position. Anderson's impromptu reinstatement, while touching, doesn't change accomplished facts. Shepard remains the "Commander" of the mission and the title will stick with him. Anyway that's my thoughts on the subject.

[Heather Cline]

According to this website I found. Alenko would be either same rank or lower rank than Shepard. The rank of Major in the Army, Air Force, Marines is equivalent of the rank of Lt. Cmdr in the Navy.

http://usmilitary.ab...officerrank.htm

However Alenko's rank change from Staff Commander from ME2 to that of Major in ME3 makes no sense. It's actually a demotion not a promotion. Either way it really makes no sense.

Point in fact... There was a babylon 5 special created not too long ago about 2-3 years back by J. M. Strazynski. He changed Captain Lockley's rank from Captain to Colonel which made no sense. It wasn't a promotion it was just a change from one command structure to another.

So the way I see it, Alenko didn't get a promotion he was demoted and sent into a different command structure. Again stupid.

[Nathan Redgrave]

It's actually really simple: at the end of ME1, Shepard is officially a Spectre, not a member of the Alliance Marines, and his role as "Commander" is largely just a holdover from his rank in the Alliance. He dies, is rebuilt, and spends the entirety of ME2 working with Cerberus--although he's referred to as "Commander" here as well, it is again simply a holdover from his former rank, since technically he's not operating in an official military capacity at this time (although he has the option of being reinstated as a Spectre). In ME3, Shepard has been taken off active duty because of his questionable actions in ME2, and is only reinstated into the Alliance Military at his original rank when the Reapers hit, at which point quibbles over rank would just be petty.

[Revelat0]

Heather Cline wrote...

According to this website I found. Alenko would be either same rank or lower rank than Shepard. The rank of Major in the Army, Air Force, Marines is equivalent of the rank of Lt. Cmdr in the Navy.

http://usmilitary.ab...officerrank.htm

However Alenko's rank change from Staff Commander from ME2 to that of Major in ME3 makes no sense. It's actually a demotion not a promotion. Either way it really makes no sense.

Point in fact... There was a babylon 5 special created not too long ago about 2-3 years back by J. M. Strazynski. He changed Captain Lockley's rank from Captain to Colonel which made no sense. It wasn't a promotion it was just a change from one command structure to another.

So the way I see it, Alenko didn't get a promotion he was demoted and sent into a different command structure. Again stupid.

The Systems Alliance does not follow any real world rank system according to the codex this is how the ranks are structured, Marines/Navy are not seperated and are infact integrated(meaning a marine could be moved to a naval MOS. Refer to http://masseffect.wi..._Military_Ranks for more information on the ranks.

[pnakasone]

I may be wrong but in the navy Captain refers to both a rank and a tittle for the ships commanding officer. A ship can only have one Captain any one else if referred to as Captain (insert last name here) or as Commodore (insert last name here) .

Then you have to add very real fact of who will the crew follow when things get really hot. Ashley no matter what her rank is will likely deffer to Shepard as the mission commander as he has proven history of getting the job done and not getting everyone killed.

If he saves the Earth his rank will be adjusted to match his accomplishments. Posthumously if need and probability get higher rank to boot. .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Heather Cline wrote...

However Alenko's rank change from Staff Commander

Staff Lieutenant, actually. And he has, no question, been promoted, as he commands the 1st Special Operations Biotic Company now, rather than simply being a crew member on a ship.

I had also heard something about him being appointed as a Spectre, but I haven't seen anything official about that so it may just be a rumor that made its way onto the fan-wiki.

[izmirtheastarach]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

However Alenko's rank change from Staff Commander

Staff Lieutenant, actually. And he has, no question, been promoted, as he commands the 1st Special Operations Biotic Company now, rather than simply being a crew member on a ship.

I had also heard something about him being appointed as a Spectre, but I haven't seen anything official about that so it may just be a rumor that made its way onto the fan-wiki.

He is referred to as a Staff Commander by Anderson in ME2. That is his rank during the Horizon mission. This is why his ranks all make sense. It's Ashley whose ranks don't.

[Revelat0]

In just one year 2185 to 2186 Ashley jumps from an Operations chief to a Lt. Cmdr. while it's not impossible, she must have being doing some crazy assignments that year! Though I don't think anything as crazy as Shepard, unless it has to do with her Spectre status, maybe unofficially you need to be atleast a Lt. Cmdr to be a Spectre, in the eyes of the Systems Alliance brass.

[ApplesauceBandit]

Because otherwise this song wouldn't sound so good:

No matter what scars you bear, or whatever uniform you where, you can fight like a krogan, run like a leopard, but you'll never be better than commander shepard!

[Revelat0]

I'm curious, perhaps Major Alenko/Lt.Cmdr Williams is in charge of the Normandy(after all it was reclaimed by the Alliance) while Shepard is on trial. It is rather sudden how Shepard is reinstated as a Lt. Cmdr(or Cmdr.) maybe we just have to wait and see in ME3, perhaps he does get promoted when he visits the Citadel(Hackett perhaps give him a battlefield promotion), thats just my theory! One can only hope!

[fresh101]

mereck7980 wrote...

Every since I started getting details about ME3 there has been one thing that has really bothered me.  Why wasn't Shepard ever promoted from the rank of Commander?  After the battle of the citidel you would think that the Alliance brass would have bumped Shep up to at least Major right?  

Ash and Kadian both got promoted and Kirahee is now a Major.  Why is the most accomplished solider in the galaxy still at the same rank  they held at the begining of the series? 

Also, if Kadian is alive in your playthrough wouldn't he out rank Shepard (Kadian is now a Major)?  Given the fact that the Normandy SR2 is now an Alliance vessel wouldn't he be in command by default?  

I am not trying to nitpick, but I am curious if anyone else has thought about this quandry besides me.  

just try and imagine in your mind if you call him/her captpain, or major or general shepard, it just doesn't have ring to it like commander doesB)

[mereck7980]

Luc0s wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

stefanbw wrote...

A couple of months after ME1 Shepard dies, then two years later he/she returns and works for an enemy of Citadel Space - then he/she blows up a Batarian system and gets put on trial by the Alliance.

The events of ME2 and Arrival would absoultely prevent Shepard from being promoted.  He/She is technically not even in the Alliance anymore when the game starts, so the "Commander" title is little more than an honorific gesture.

Not true. At the end of the earth intro, Anderson reinstates Shepard's title as Lt. Commander. In times of war, Field promotions like that are permitted.

So after earth, Shepard has his old rank in the Alliance back.

You misunderstood me.  I know Anderson reinstates Shepard at his previous rank.  The Cerberus affiliation and the mass relay destruction would have prevented Shepard from being promoted during the course of ME2.  According to the codex Shepard is a Lt. Commander at the begining of ME1.  When you start the demo it says Shepard is just a Commander.  So, my initial thought that Shep had never been promoted was probably inaccurate.  

In ME2 and the very begining of ME3 anyone who called Shepard "Commander" was treating it as something of an exstension of Shepard's name.  (See the scene at the begining of the demo where Shep tells Vega he doesn't have to call him/her Commander any more)