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[v0rt3x22]

Haven't you heard? In Mass Effect 4 he'll be councilor Shepard - hand picked by Udina or Anderson - as payback and the game will take form in the shape of a desk job.

You will have to sign legislation and your actions will ripple through the galactic community

[Blindman25]

As far as Shepard's rank as compared to Alenko, Shepard can have any rank that he wants. He is running a special mission directly at the request of Admiral Hackett. Technically speaking, Alenko has a higher rank. However, if he tried to pull rank, Shepard would get a field promotion before he could finish his sentence. In any case, I agree that the rank differential is weird and is probably an oversight.

[Blk_Mage_Ctype]

Because AWOL then joining a terrorist organization tend to discourage against getting a promotion?

Hell, he's lucky that he hasn't been demoted to Private Shepard.

[StrikeSaber47]

Blindman25 wrote...

As far as Shepard's rank as compared to Alenko, Shepard can have any rank that he wants. He is running a special mission directly at the request of Admiral Hackett. Technically speaking, Alenko has a higher rank. However, if he tried to pull rank, Shepard would get a field promotion before he could finish his sentence. In any case, I agree that the rank differential is weird and is probably an oversight.

He or she probably was given a special commander rank for all the things he has done or he was promoted to Staff Commander. Either way, Shepard's rank no longer matters since he works directly under the top dog in the Alliance (Adm. Hackett) so he or she essentially operates like a Rear Adm. and even if someone in the Admiralty Board that wants to complain about Shepard, Hackett can make their complaints go moot fast.

Being a Spectre and allied with Hackett essentially makes you a top dog in the Alliance and rank is a moot point now.

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

Because AWOL then joining a terrorist organization tend to discourage against getting a promotion?

Hell, he's lucky that he hasn't been demoted to Private Shepard.

 

Shepard was resurrected against his or her own will. He or she had no choice but to work with Cerberus but if you play your decisions right, even Hackett knows you were only doing it for the sake of eliminating the Collectors and that you had your strings attached to TIM. You were tried in the beginning of ME 3 (the demo part so it isn't a spoiler at all) for your actions regarding Arrival, which was a mission assigned to you directly by Hackett himself and nothing to do with Cerberus at all.

If you were Paragon or a Renegade with a good intentions, the actions of Arrival can solidify your alliegance with the Alliance and you were willing to go back to the Alliance for a trial and hand over the Cerberus-supplied ship and crew along with it without any incident. That is a guesture that you were definitely not AWOL.

Modifié par StrikeSaber47, 12 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[DeadPoolX]

Heather Cline wrote...

Alenko then still out ranks Shepard by a rank if the Alliance Navy considers Major on the same page as Captain. Meaning Alenko could pull rank and say that he's in charge. Thus the whole why is Shepard still a Commander while Alenko out ranks her/him. Again back to the question of who is in charge and why isn't Shepard of similar rank or higher.

I've seen you write this numerous times and it's just not accurate. 

Whoever is the captain of a ship, regardless of their actual rank, is in-charge of that vessel.  This person has the final say on all operational matters on that ship. 

To even board a ship, you need permission from the captain.  It doesn't matter if you're an ensign or an admiral, you still need permission.  The captain can flatout deny that person access and even when on board, the higher ranking officer is subject to the captain's authority.

That said, if a captain threw his weight around (on his own ship) while allowing an admiral on it, that'd be very bad for his career.  While the admiral can't directly interfere with the captain while on the ship, he could make military life very, very difficult for him later or even purposefully deny future promotions.  So it's in an officer's best interest to still show respect to a higher ranking officer, even if they're on your ship.

There are only two times I can think of where a captain will be "told what to do" on his own ship:

1. He's being officially relieved of command, which requires a LOT more than simply saying "I'm a higher rank, you do what I say."

2. The captain (and his ship) are actively part of a larger fleet.  In this case, the admiral has command over the fleet and therefore the captain's ship as well.

So to end this long post... no, Kaidan couldn't "pull rank."  Even though his rank is higher, he's doesn't hold the position of captain.  That's the key right there -- position almost always overrides actual rank. 

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 16 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[Sherana]

Hello Man wrote...

Just so I can educate the masses. Their technically is no Commander rank its either Lt. Commander or Staff Commander. Unless things are getting retconed in ME3.

Or possibly that, like in many militaries, "Commander" is an unofficial title referring to a *position*, not a rank- the same way that in navies, the person in control of a ship is "Captain", no matter their rank.

[Shortstuff820]

I'm pretty sure if he/she weren't so busy saving the galaxy, it would be President Shepard by now (or Councilor). Maybe even Saint Shepard, but not if you're Renegade.

Modifié par Shortstuff820, 16 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Glycon94]

Shepard should be Fleet Admiral by now. Imagine in mass 3 he just rallied an entire galaxy together to retake the Sol system and was at the front of the galactic armada. What did Hackett do? He just gave a speech and mentioned that the "superweapon" was not working that's it. Shepard did more than Hackett could have done in his entire lifetime. I agree that being Spectre does overrule any decision made by Hackett due to the conflict being galaxy wide. But I think Shepard needs to be promoted to that rank because he made the "Human joins the Citadel Council" possible and saving the entire goddamn galaxy from a culling.

[Beeno4Life]

By now I would thaink that he'd be Supreme Emperor Shepard.

[mybudgee]

My Shep simply likes the title of "Commander" in every aspect of life...

[Lesbian Wood Elf]

I don't know, but I hated that Shepard kept saluting Hackett.

[MalevoIence]

Just like why Master Chief was never promoted.... they're afraid their fans would be far too stupid to understand the concept, "Admiral Shepard" omg... it just blew my mind

[Aurora313]

That's his rank, he never went beyond it... -.-

He was authorised to act of behalf of the Alliance in ME3, and once he became a SpecTRe, ranks really became obsolete when he became a SpecTRe.

[mybudgee]

/\\this. James Bond never cared about rank and file...

[FlyingWalrus]

Because higher ranks are desk work and, frankly, **** that.

[Ruthac_Arus]

In the 'verse of Mass Effect, it's not just a rank, it's a brand name basically. Even aside from complications with Cerberus and the Bahak system incident that'd stifle promotion path, "Commander Shepard" is a household name. Gives people hope, something to rally around or look up to. Whether or not he/she receives a promotion, the galaxy is still going to remember the deeds of one Commander Shepard, regardless of what rank they actually hold.

Outside perspective answer: lot easier to establish continuity by keeping the title "Commander Shepard" throughout the whole story, not to mention much easier to only have to record dialogue based on "Commander" and "Shepard".

[Han Shot First]

For those tho say Shepard was never promoted because he died shortly after the events of Mass Effect 1...

Posthumous promotions for war heroes is actually a fairly common practice in most militaries. Even if Shepard was killed the day after the Battle of the Citadel (it was more likely weeks or months), he should have been posthumously promoted for his role in the battle, as well as being nominated for a Star of Terra. (his second, if he has the War Hero origin) Even is actions aboard the stricken SR1 were worthy of commendation, risking his own life to make sure every surviving member of the crew got off first. In fact he did sacrifice his own life while saving his crew. Again that is Star of Terra territory, though considering the short time frame between the Battle of the Citadel and the destruction of the Normandy, his actions in both incidents might be lumped into one citation.

Shepard  doesn't move up the chain however for the same reason that Master Chief from Halo never gets a battlefield commision. Like Master Chief, 'Commander Shepard' became too iconic. Commander is so associated with the character that it had become almost like part of the character's name, and as such was never going to change.

I don't think there is any point in Mass Effect 3 though where Shepard is referred to as Lt. Commander, which is his actual rank in Mass Effect 1. So I just head canon it that he was promoted to Commander.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 mars 2012 - 06:19 .