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The plot thickens, a fans observations and things I hope will be resolved in DA3


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FreyaWazHere

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So even though I don't think Biowares ever made an official announcement about DA3, we all know it’s going to happen. But anyway, I just finished replaying both games and reading all 3 of Gaider's novels and there are thing's I’ve been speculating on and I’m wondering the communities opinions.

Also be warned, lots of spoilers if you haven’t read the books/read the wiki pages

 

Flemeth

What is she? I’m putting my money on something like an old god, or perhaps a rebirthed old god, such as Morrigan's child is. This could explain her age, her power, turning into a dragon, and knowledge of the ritual needed give birth to a child with an old god’s soul as she taught it to Morrigan. There’s also what she says to Fenris if he’s in your party when you finish the 'Long Way Home' quest.  He says 'I have seen powerful mages, spirits, and abominations. But you are none of those things.' True we can argue that perhaps Fenris has a limited view on magic and it’s more obscure branches practiced by hedge mages like Flemeth, but maybe coming from Tevinter, he would know.

There's also the possibility that she is somehow connected to the elven gods, as several clans so far have demonstrated reverence for her, and she has some lore to her that even Merril being a keepers first claims to know 'Only a little.' There is also her unknown deal with Marethari. When investigating during Act 1 Marethari will say that she has a debt to Flemeth, just as Hawke does. This is never reveal in game, but does this have something to do with why the clan stayed at Sundermount for so long? Or why she was waiting for Hawke to arrive and have the rite performed?


 Alistair's Parentage


In Origins we know of only two definite relations, Maric is his father, Cailan is his half-brother. But then there's Goldanna, who supposedly shares the same mother the woman who was the serving girl in Redcliffe. However, there is a small bit at the end of 'The Calling' :

This time, however, he was carrying a small package wrapped in acloth in his arms. As he drew closer, Maric realized that what hewas carrying wasn’t a package. It was an infant.“Congratulations, Your Majesty,” Duncan said with a grin. “It’s aboy.” He carefully handed the child to Maric, who took it numbly.He stared down at this tiny baby, shock more than anything elserunning through his mind. The child had a wisp of blond hair androsy pink cheeks, and was sleeping soundly. It was definitely his,however. The boy even looked a bit like Cailan. Maric also noticedthat the boy’s ears were quite round.


Could this be Alistair? Is Fiona his mother as the book might hint? Further speculative proof is as followed

“I can have him raised away from the court,” Maric said, considering.“But people are bound to wonder who his mother is.Loghain will want to know. The child will almost certainly wantto know. . . . What will we tell him?”“Tell him nothing. Let him think his mother human, and dead.”She reached over to where Duncan gently cooed and rocked thebaby, patting his head with a melancholy smile. “It will be easier, forhim and for you.”


So then if this is true, then was it just luck that Goldanna's mother happened to be pregnant and died during birth while working for Eamon? It also raises the question of is this cannonly correct or not? In 'The Calling' Fiona explains that a child born between human and elf will always look human, but this isn't the case for Feynriel, whom has elven characteristics. A fluke then? Or is Gaider just teasing with us?


 Possession and Spirit Transference

There are only two known abominations that aren't ugly pink monstery things in the series so far. Wynne and Anders. Both retain mental control (for the most part) and both were originally possessed, though under different circumstances, by positive spirits. They both make claims as to the spirit being part of them, though Anders puts more emphasis on how entwined he is with Justice, and Anders makes the claim that there is no way to separate
him and Justice at all. But is this always the case? Could it have been reversed if he wanted to? At the end of 'Asunder'  Wynne gives up her life by transferring the spirit that kept her living to Evangeline.

Perhaps the differences between Wynne and Anders’ possessions are the only reason this could happen, as Wynne subconsciously accepted her spirit at the edge of death, and Anders consciously invited Justice into him. So then the question comes of whether or not any form of spirit possession is potentially reversible, whether by transference, or some sort of spell rather than the obvious solution of death.

 
Disappearance of Heroes

What do Maric, the Warden, and Hawke all have in common? They're Ferelden, which it can be noted here was the birthplace of Andraste and the people are generally tough sons of betches, but that’s not the point.

They all disappear after their no longer in the spotlight, they all had their lives saved by Flemeth.

Now there is some confusion here, as you can die at the end of Origins, and yet for some reason Leliana still notes to Cassandra at the end of DA2 that Hawke disappeared 'just like the Warden' so whether or not they are
referring to the original Hero of Ferelden, or the Warden Commander in Awakenings, remains to be seen, but since 3 of the 4 possible endings mean the Hero of Ferelden survived, there’s a good chance they mean them.

Anyway, all three of them (Hawke. The Warden, and Maric) all have similar starting tales, death, the mantle of destiny thrust upon them, and Flemeth saving them and noting such. Maric, shortly before Cailan and Anora
marry disappears and is proclaimed dead when he's lost at sea, there is the question of what was his honored promise to Flemeth, however. The Warden, regardless of the romance, boon, following Morrigan through the Eluvian (and with the exception of sacrificing themselves) eventually leave without a trace. Hawke too, once their friends leave his/her side, disappears as well sometime within 3 years of the Circle Revolt.


There is no way this is all coincidence. What is happening to these leaders who rose up to change nations who also owed a debt to Flemeth? What is their legacy they've left behind, or perhaps their role in the coming
game?

Modifié par FreyaWazHere, 19 février 2012 - 06:35 .


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SkittlesKat96

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Its possible that Maric didn't die and he is in Orlais. That would explain the rumor that he was kidnapped by Orlesians and what Flemeth said to him.

I haven't read that novel though so I may be missing information on that or taking it out of context. Also DG said that Maric actually did die at see which seems like a confirmation/affirmation.

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FreyaWazHere wrote...
Disappearance of Heroes



It's not just the ones you mentioned. The item pack DLC codex entries mention that Calenhad and his advisor Aldenon also disappeared.

As for Maric, the devs confrimed a while back that he "died at sea" in 9:25 Dragon. Whether they told us the truth or retcon that in the future, who knows.

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I dont think Alistair is Fiona child. Her one request was that her kid gets to grow up free of his parents baggage. It would be rather crappy of Duncan to go and recruit him into the wardens after promising Fiona he would have a normal life.

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@OP - You forgot one (possible) integral component to the ever-deepening plot of the DA-verse.

Cheese.

There is truly something suspicious about the cheese.

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JasonPogo wrote...

I dont think Alistair is Fiona child. Her one request was that her kid gets to grow up free of his parents baggage. It would be rather crappy of Duncan to go and recruit him into the wardens after promising Fiona he would have a normal life.


After reading Asunder she'd probably be much more pissed if he became a Templar I imagine.  Plus Duncan is a Grey Warden, one of the good ones, meaning he's all about ending the blight that he knows is coming since the events in The Calling.  Having the kings bastard child in your order as a potential ace in the hole?  That's just smart add in that he has templar training and is a good fighter and there is no reason for him not to recruit.

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JasonPogo

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But in game i think Lagain(sp?) says that they wanted to hide Alistair from Rowan Calins mother and the Queen. He said it as if she was still alive. However Fiona's child is born after Rowans death.

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Don't expect Flemeth to be clarified until the end of the series. It may happen sooner, but I doubt it.

Fiona was given exception from the calling, the only known warden to get it. And she said she wanted the child raised without knowledge of his elven heritage. A heritage that isn't apparent physically because half-elves appear to be human. This can be explained by genetics, but you have to ask yourself why the writers made that rule. The only reason I can think of is that they plan an eventual plot twist where a major human character turns out to be half-elven. Combine these things with the fact that Fiona reappeared in Asunder and yeah, definitely expect to find out she's Alistair's mother. The only X factor is that Alistair can die in DAO. But, let's face it, DA's writing team doesn't much respect our choices.

Possession? I doubt that'll ever be cleared up, honestly. If it is, it'll be via a big revelation about the origin of Fade inhabitants and perhaps the Fade itself.

Disappearing heroes? That one's easy. The Reapers are abducting them to build a hero-based Reaper. It'll be awesome. We are so screwed.

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The hero vanishing is just a way for the writers not to hace to bring past heros back for new games.

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Rifneno wrote...

Disappearing heroes? That one's easy. The Reapers are abducting them to build a hero-based Reaper. It'll be awesome. We are so screwed.


We are so ****ed.

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I'm curious about the OGB. I remember Gaider saying some time ago that the dark ritual was the most important decision to make in origins. My warden went through the eluvian with Morrigan and I really want to know to what end