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[Darth_Trethon]

LenaMarie wrote...

I've not read the script and I never will due to actually caring about not spoiling myself for ME 3, but regardless I think this is probaly more a matter of opinion. Some peoeple actually find the scripts in the big, summer blockbuster movies to be good and probaly better then your classic movies that have actually won awards for their writing, this might just be one of those things that are subjective.

Movie awards are like novel/writer/art awards....nonsense. According to awards and glamor Shakespeare was some great writer and a HD picture of a plate that rusted in someone's back yard is "art"(no kidding...saw it in an art museum along with other wothless crap passing for art).....yeah, right......

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 19 février 2012 - 01:56 .

[LenaMarie]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...

I've not read the script and I never will due to actually caring about not spoiling myself for ME 3, but regardless I think this is probaly more a matter of opinion. Some peoeple actually find the scripts in the big, summer blockbuster movies to be good and probaly better then your classic movies that have actually won awards for their writing, this might just be one of those things that are subjective.

Movie awards are like novel/writer/art awards....nonsense. According to awards and glamor Shakespeare was some great writer and a HD picture of a plate that rusted in someone's back yard is "art"(no kidding...saw it in an art museum along with other wothless crap passing for art).....yeah, right......

Sounds subjective to me. Having "culture" is considered appreciating "Worthless crap" that passes for art., and those that do consider people who just see "worthless crap" as being uneducated and uncultured.

There are some big parelles to gaming there. We have elitists too who look down on those "filty" FPS players that cant appreciate a good RPG just as we have those FPS fans think RPG systems are stupid and dont belong in modern games.

[Naughty Bear]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

NY ASS4551N wrote...

If he's the writer responsible for the Old Republic, then good riddance. The writers of the Old Republic totally ruined the KOTOR storyline, especially with what they did with Revan.

Care to explain please? I hope they have not revealed his or her face, i prefer Revan ambiguous as possible.

There was a description of his face in the novel and yes revan is canonically a male while the exile is a female.....but the way they hadnled his fate was just lame.....if you haven't read it don't....and this from a book named Revan by the author who initially wrote Revan in KotOR.....I sudder to think how much his story must suck in TOR.

Ugh.

[Omega-202]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

NY ASS4551N wrote...

If he's the writer responsible for the Old Republic, then good riddance. The writers of the Old Republic totally ruined the KOTOR storyline, especially with what they did with Revan.

Care to explain please? I hope they have not revealed his or her face, i prefer Revan ambiguous as possible.

There was a description of his face in the novel and yes revan is canonically a male while the exile is a female.....but the way they hadnled his fate was just lame.....if you haven't read it don't....and this from a book named Revan by the author who initially wrote Revan in KotOR.....I sudder to think how much his story must suck in TOR.

They straight up show his face in TOR and give him speaking lines.  Its the most disrespectful and cliched ending to one of the Star Wars universe's greatest characters.  

Not only did they make him have the most generic face possible but they also made him a cackling idiot who won't shut up about how he is Sith and Jedi all at once.  There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

[lrrose]

Just a nitpick. Someone said that Karpyshyn was the lead writer of SWTOR. Not true. Daniel Erickson is SWTOR's lead writer. Karpyshyn was one of the senior writers.

[Il Divo]

Zanallen wrote...

He also pretty much wrote Revan and most of the dialogue for KOTOR.

So what you're trying to tell me is Drew is awesome. I'll drink to that.

[Ajwol Semreth]

LenaMarie wrote...

Your probaly one of the only people I've seen even on BSN claiming the leaked script was good, you know this right? Most everytime I've seen it mentioned I've seen people complaining about how bad it was and even Bioware agreeing with people and stating they took fans feedback about the leaked script to fix up things.

I've read a huge chuck of the script, and I also think it's pretty good for the most part. I can see where the complaints about your choices not really mattering are coming from, but your decisions are still referenced and commented on regardless of what happens so it's kind of a moot argument in my opinion. Bioware obviously had to set up some kind of 'canon' series of events into which our decisions are woven, or the game would have been an absolute mess in terms of narrative.

The tone is obviously different from ME1 and even 2 as well, and it did strike me as a little 'summer blockbustery' in terms of the action, but it's been pretty clear since the end of ME2/Arrival and the ME3 annoucement trailer that is the kind of tone/feel they were shooting for with the final chapter in this trilogy. Shepard's the symbol and spiritual leader of a Galactic war for pity's sake, it was hardly going to have the same level of intrigue and 'subtlety' that the first two games had.

Modifié par Ajwol Semreth, 19 février 2012 - 05:54 .

[Jozape]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

He also pretty much wrote Revan and most of the dialogue for KOTOR.

He didn't work on Knights of the Old Republic.

He was a lead writer for the game. At least that's what he claims!

Il Divo wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

He also pretty much wrote Revan and most of the dialogue for KOTOR.

So what you're trying to tell me is Drew is awesome. I'll drink to that.

David had a big part of the dialog too though. Bastila, Carth, HK-47, and Jolee were written by him.

[RiouHotaru]

Omega-202 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

NY ASS4551N wrote...

If he's the writer responsible for the Old Republic, then good riddance. The writers of the Old Republic totally ruined the KOTOR storyline, especially with what they did with Revan.

Care to explain please? I hope they have not revealed his or her face, i prefer Revan ambiguous as possible.

There was a description of his face in the novel and yes revan is canonically a male while the exile is a female.....but the way they hadnled his fate was just lame.....if you haven't read it don't....and this from a book named Revan by the author who initially wrote Revan in KotOR.....I sudder to think how much his story must suck in TOR.

They straight up show his face in TOR and give him speaking lines.  Its the most disrespectful and cliched ending to one of the Star Wars universe's greatest characters.  

Not only did they make him have the most generic face possible but they also made him a cackling idiot who won't shut up about how he is Sith and Jedi all at once.  There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

Kreia wasn't really all that much to speak of anyway.  I don't know how people can glorify her as some amazing villain.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Omega-202 wrote...

They straight up show his face in TOR and give him speaking lines.  Its the most disrespectful and cliched ending to one of the Star Wars universe's greatest characters.  

Not only did they make him have the most generic face possible but they also made him a cackling idiot who won't shut up about how he is Sith and Jedi all at once.  There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

Oh boo hoo hoo. This post is full of butthurt.

I enjoyed the novel Revan immensely, especially the ending. It was very fitting, IMO. Revan finally turned into a normal Jedi instead of some ridiculous demi-god, it was refreshing.

And the Exile was useless anyway, along with Kreia and that whole trainwreck of a game they called KOTOR2.

[Gabey5]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

They straight up show his face in TOR and give him speaking lines.  Its the most disrespectful and cliched ending to one of the Star Wars universe's greatest characters.  

Not only did they make him have the most generic face possible but they also made him a cackling idiot who won't shut up about how he is Sith and Jedi all at once.  There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

Oh boo hoo hoo. This post is full of butthurt.

I enjoyed the novel Revan immensely, especially the ending. It was very fitting, IMO. Revan finally turned into a normal Jedi instead of some ridiculous demi-god, it was refreshing.

And the Exile was useless anyway, along with Kreia and that whole trainwreck of a game they called KOTOR2.

sorry that novel was filled with herpa derp

Revan and the Exile are supposed to be tactical geniuses

but spoiler**





The exile figures out the sith empire is out there and flourishing, and does she tell the republic? No. Does she tell the jedi? No. Does she tell anyone? No. She justs lone wolfs it over to the sith homeworld and plans on rescuing revan with no backup or any information.

Well she saves him and does revan learn from his mistake of  just bull rushing the imperial palace and facing the emperor with 2 people? Nope.



The amount of idiocy in that book is mind boggling, they just needed to leave revan alone and if they had to use him, they should have had him as a force ghost or something in the game

Modifié par Gabey5, 19 février 2012 - 09:45 .

[txgoldrush]

Drew K is quite overrated.........he is pretty good but he is not Chris Avellone's (although he had the terrible Alpha Protocol) or Richard Garriot's level.

Bioware really doesn't lose anything by losing him.

Its not like Square Enix losing Sakaguchi or Matsuno, by far their best writers and directors.

[Nordicus]

Omega-202 wrote...

There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

Very few can match the writing talent Chris Avellone possesses

(although he had the terrible Alpha Protocol) or Richard Garriot's level.

  Whaaaaaaa? Alpha Protocol was great, especially the dialog

Modifié par Nordicus, 19 février 2012 - 10:11 .

[txgoldrush]

Nordicus wrote...

Omega-202 wrote...

There's none of KotOR's mystery to him or KotOR II's moral ambiguity and raw power.  Everything that Kreia said was flushed down the toilet as if it was all lies and they instead went with a ridiculously simpler and dumber set of motivations.  

Very few can match the writing talent Chris Avellone possesses

(although he had the terrible Alpha Protocol) or Richard Garriot's level.

  Whaaaaaaa? Alpha Protocol was great, especially the dialog

It wasn't......

The plot was formualic and predictable, the characters one dimensional, the romances had no build up, the pacing was off...........it is suprising coming from Avellone. While Avellone has been good for the most part, he has failed to match Planescape Torment.

[Nordicus]

The plot was well refined and sold us the threat of a new Cold War quite effectively, characters not having their lives revolve around Thorton hardly make them one-dimensional especially since you can see a whole new side of them by just acting a bit different around them occasionally, the romances had very gradual build-up. The pacing I kind of agree with, that's what happens when you offer non-linearity as the second act, I guess

Modifié par Nordicus, 19 février 2012 - 10:33 .

[txgoldrush]

Nordicus wrote...

The plot was well refined and sold us the threat of a new Cold War quite effectively, characters not having their lives revolve around Thorton hardly make them one-dimensional especially since you can see a whole new side of them by just acting a bit different around them occasionally, the romances had very gradual build-up. The pacing I kind of agree with, that's what happens when you offer non-linearity as the second act, I guess

No, they are quite one dimensional....they are quite static characters with no character development, with Heck and SIE being the absolute worst. Characters are used mechanically instead of organically. The Madision St James romance had very weak to no build up, and the choice it set up lacked impact. Mina and Scarlet had forced build up that just doesn't work. There is no new side to them if you support or anger the characters. All around let down by Avellone, who worte Morte, Annah, and Fall From Grace.

[Haristo]

I'll be waiting his non games-related novels...

He's a great writter and I'm attached to his work because they're coherent and intelligent. I just hope he'll keep the same good (or even better) touch in his new original novels.

[Il Divo]

Jozape wrote...

David had a big part of the dialog too though. Bastila, Carth, HK-47, and Jolee were written by him.

I'll drink to him as well then. All four of them are amongst my favorite Bioware npcs.

Modifié par Il Divo, 19 février 2012 - 11:04 .