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[Porenferser]

First of all: I don't hold a grudge against any of these 2 characters, I pretty much like both of them, they are fine soldiers whom I would trust my life on.

But what I wonder about is:
While Kaidan has a fair amount of fan girls and male fans to the present day, Jacob is surely the most hated character of the whole ME Universe and probably one of the most unpopular bioware-chars ever.

Why is that?
I can't see that much of a difference between them.
Ok, Jacob's romance was a bit....strange, but is this the only thing that matters?

Modifié par Porenferser, 19 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[GodWood]

People don't hate Jacob. They're indifferent to him.

[Mr Plow]

People are threatened by Jacob's big...

[Doommarine23]

I don't know, I honestly like them both as characters and while I never did a Female-Shepard, would be equally willing to LI em both. They're level-headed and supportive. Nothing is really wrong with them.

Anyone who thinks Jacob is boring, that's fine. But remember, He and Miranda has their own game.

[yoshibb]

The big difference is Kaidan told me about himself and his life. I know who Kaidan is and what his ideals are. I have no idea who Jacob is. He really doesn't tell Shepard anything. As someone said above, it's not really hate but indifference.

[jeweledleah]

Kaidan was in ME1 and he was the only male LI available (as such his romance was slightly more organic in its writing, more involved and had interesting developments like renegading/paragading). Jacob had to compete against Thane AND Garrus. and it didn't help that Jenifer Hale sounded like she was in heat or something when talking to him.

he had his Galaxy skillset stripped and given to other characters, especially Miranda, to lesser degree - Jack, making him one of the less effective squadmates, unless used smartly, preferably with access to Shadow Broker DLC (to respec him after loyalty mission) and in conjunction with deliberately complimentary squadmate (like Thane or Miranda)

and he suggests, that Shepard spaces Legion, he doesn't like Thane and tells Tali about EDI.

at least above are the most popular reasons given.

there's also just general dislike, which doesn't always have to have reasons.

that said - Kaidan is not exactly a model of popularity either. /shrug

that said - they are quite a few differences between them. enough to account for liking one but not the other - in either direction.

[Seboist]

Because Kaidan isn't a brooding dullard that says nothing of interest.

[Kwest253]

I like Jacob and always have. Then on the flip side I killed Kaiden on Virmire lol.

[saracen16]

Kaidan has a lot more to offer in terms of story content and personality. His life as one of the first human biotics and his insight into the galactic political scene made him an INFINITELY much more interesting character than Jacob, who really doesn't have anything to provide but blank statements (Why doesn't he tell us what his issues with Cerberus are exactly?).

[Oddlyotter]

Kaidan seemed more of his own person while Jacob seemed a bit more reliant on well stuff. Be it you, the alliance, or cerberus. That's just my opinion.

[Eliantariel]

jeweledleah wrote...

Kaidan was in ME1 and he was the only male LI available (as such his romance was slightly more organic in its writing, more involved and had interesting developments like renegading/paragading). Jacob had to compete against Thane AND Garrus. and it didn't help that Jenifer Hale sounded like she was in heat or something when talking to him.

he had his Galaxy skillset stripped and given to other characters, especially Miranda, to lesser degree - Jack, making him one of the less effective squadmates, unless used smartly, preferably with access to Shadow Broker DLC (to respec him after loyalty mission) and in conjunction with deliberately complimentary squadmate (like Thane or Miranda)

and he suggests, that Shepard spaces Legion, he doesn't like Thane and tells Tali about EDI.

at least above are the most popular reasons given.

there's also just general dislike, which doesn't always have to have reasons.

that said - Kaidan is not exactly a model of popularity either. /shrug

that said - they are quite a few differences between them. enough to account for liking one but not the other - in either direction.

This mainly and for me Kaidan is more charismatic whereas Jacob is more a smart ass who feels a little too forced on Shepard. Having Jacob give Shepard his advice/information after each recruting is just unnecessary and was annoying most of the time. They could have used different squadmates/NPCs for that like Dr. Chakwas after Garrus recruiting (would have made more sense).

But I don't hate Jacob - it is just I don't care for him and I am not quite fond of talking with him either. I always do his mission last because it is my least favourite but I have not a single playthrough were he is dead - I always save my crew (again I suck at RPG).

[fetissimies]

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

[Eliantariel]

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

[Porenferser]

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

gamelanguage.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/councilman-anderson-from-mass-effect.jpg

Not really.

And besides, if you know the iPhone game then you do get to know something about his past.
And the thing with is father is pretty exciting too.
imO Jacob has the best personal mission.

[fetissimies]

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

Anderson acts white, he just happens to be black, much like Colin Powell.
 

[Errol Dnamyx]

fetissimies wrote...

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

Anderson acts white, he just happens to be black, much like Colin Powell.
 

He acts white?
Are you retarded?

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 19 février 2012 - 12:29 .

[android654]

I think that is a possibility.

[Ricvenart]

Kaidan has a personality. Fairly consistant one too.

Jacob starts off friendly then immediately becomes closed off once you're flying. Knows everyone will die if the loyalty missions aren't done but wants to rush off to the reaper IFF, the thing thats been there for millenia. Even though his loyalty mission you can't from an opinion on him and after doing it for him, he's still ungrateful and shut off. Even Jack thanks you for stopping her from murdering someone and realises you save her from falling into the same trap they did.

[Han Shot First]

fetissimies wrote...

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

Anderson acts white, he just happens to be black, much like Colin Powell.
 

There are a lot of reasons why people are indifferent to Jacob and race isn't one of them. He is a standoffish dullard that alternates between saying a lot but telling you nothing, or acting like he's offended that Shep came in to talk. People would just as indifferent towards him if he was white, because he is a ballbag and is boring to boot.

And how exactly does Anderson act white?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 19 février 2012 - 01:34 .

[elarem]

I like Jacob with a male Shepard but hate him with a female one (Hale's tone of voice and the Priiize line; in fact most of my female Shepards only spoke to him for the loyalty mission!) Kaidan goes well with all my Shepards male or female.

The backstory of both characters is interesting but only if the player thinks things through after picking up the hints. And yes, Jacob does seem to want to rush ahead, not to mention he wants to space one of my favourite characters, but even that is understandable because of Eden Prime. (I can't imagine Ashley will like/trust Legion either.)

[Tsantilas]

I killed Kaiden in all my ME1 playthroughs so meh. As for Jacob, I think I've only ever used him in the starting mission and then for the loyalty mission. I just found them both really boring.

[Raizo]

I honestly don't know why.

From my own experiences with the two, when it comes to Kaidan I'm more or less neutral towards him in the sense that I don't have positive or negative things to say about him. Jacob on the other hand is a nice enough guy but I find that I have alot more negative things to say about him than Kaidan. I don't like his uniform or the way he says certain things ( like the way he dismisses Shepard when he has nothing else new to say before his Loyalty mission or that ridiculous spilling drinks on the Citadel line after his Loyalty mission ).

[frylock23]

Both are good looking guys, but if I had to sound like that when talking to Kaidan, I would never have bothered to get to know him either. And, there's the issue of Jacob always saying "I don't like to rush things" or something similar. So basically, your femShep sounded like a s*** and Jacob treated you like were coming onto him like one. That isn't exactly a great recipe for femSheps liking or wanting to get to know the guy. Then, although I never personally could stomach the relationship enough to play it out in my games, there's the whole cheezy Prize line at the end.

In short, there are plenty of reasons why a woman playing the game and comparing the two romances would like Kaidan more than Jacob. Kaidan just plain treated femShep with way more respect than Jacob and femShep behaved with a lot more self respect in the Kaidan romance. I sumbit that you could swap the ethnicities of the two characters and you'd still get the same response.

Besides, I learned to love the way that Kaidan turned everything into a floating pinata I could easily shoot ... but that has nothing to the romances or relationships.

[seirhart]

because Kaidan tells you about himself while Jacob doesn't say thing about his past. That and to me at first he's open with you at the start but when you start flying he shuts you out.