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[MadCat221]

As I see it...

Kaidan has some issues, but he has them under control. It makes him seem stable.

Jacob just doesn't have any issues at all. It makes him seem bland.

[Matinek]

Who likes Kaidan? Everybody sacrifised him for Ashley... And Jacob has an awesome story... 
Well on the other hand, Jacob is a bit of a douche and steals Kasumi, what to repay, everybody what disliked that kicked him into a hole of death in the suicide mission, and if Kasumi died because of not upgrading the shields, they would break their gaming console.
True story.

[outmane]

First Im not sure that people like Kaidan so much more then Jacob. As for why Kaidan has a bigger fanbase then Jacob, maybe since many of the players interested in that kind of character had already chosen Kaidan for LI, they did not feel like jumping ship ?

[Terraforming]

I really think Jacob that is less popular mainly because of how femshep talks to him and the awkwardness of their romance scene.
Hale's voice acting is so jarring that I stay away from him, even though I think the character is nice. Shame really.

Modifié par Terraforming, 19 février 2012 - 06:16 .

[Demonique]

It's because of the way BW made FemShep act when she was talking to him. I should be the one to decide if FShep likes him or not, not Bioware. My canon FemShep is a xenophile, she only slept with Kaidan because she wanted one night before Ilos and neither Garrus nor Wrex were putting out.

[yoshibb]

Matinek wrote...

Who likes Kaidan? Everybody sacrifised him for Ashley... And Jacob has an awesome story... 
Well on the other hand, Jacob is a bit of a douche and steals Kasumi, what to repay, everybody what disliked that kicked him into a hole of death in the suicide mission, and if Kasumi died because of not upgrading the shields, they would break their gaming console.
True story.

Ok, first of all, not everyone sacrifices him for Ashley. Kaidan is sacrificed about 70% of the time on Virmire, but that's still a significant chunk of people who have Kaidan for Mass Effect 3. Secondly, what does killing Kaidan on Virmire have anything to do with hating him? Ashley died in all but one of my playthroughs and Ashley was my second favorite squadmates. Some people kill him because they hate him but I think most people do it cause they like Ashley more or their MaleShep is romancing her. 

It's like if there was a choice between Garrus and Liara. If I kill Garrus, it's not cause I hate him, it's cause I like Liara a little bit more. Even then I'd definitely save him one playthrough. If Kaidan was dying on the suicide mission because players were deliberately letting him die, that would make sense. But this is a choice, there isn't a way to save them both.

[Blankeflos]

I always play as femshep, so this might have some impact on my opinion. 

Well, both Kaidan and Jacob are good soldiers. But the similarities end here. Like a lot of people already said, you get more background history from Kaidan than from Jacob, so it's much easier to sympathize with the former. Kaidan talks to Shepard openly, sometimes disagree with her, but he always shows respect and never forgets who's in charge. Jacob, on the other hand, keeps pushing Shepard back and doesn't seem to share the sense of hierarchy Kaidan has. I don't care if they're in a Cerberus operation, Shepard is the Commander! Jacob's no Garrus or Tali, he hasn't earned the right to talk the way he does with Shepard yet. To me, it feels like Jacob is just as mean as Jack or Grunt, honestly.
In one of my playthroughs, Shepard asked him to cheer up, to not be so negative about the mission, and what does he says? "I don't see the point of grinning like an idiot". Some people may approve that attitude, stating he's a reasonable person, but I think he's just depressing. I'd rather stay with the guy who advises Shepard to get a bigger boot against the Reapers. 

[CrimsonNephilim]

fetissimies wrote...

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

Anderson acts white, he just happens to be black, much like Colin Powell.
 

I find this completely irrelevant. I happen to be a black person, educated, and I don't act what some would call the "typical black way". Rather talking in ebonics or whatever people refer it to I prefer to talk in proper english and act just like anybody else. I don't find that as me trying to be "white" or acting "white". Its me being who I am. Since when do people have to fit a stereotypical mold that fits their skin color?

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 19 février 2012 - 07:28 .

[dgcatanisiri]

Terraforming wrote...

I really think Jacob that is less popular mainly because of how femshep talks to him and the awkwardness of their romance scene.
Hale's voice acting is so jarring that I stay away from him, even though I think the character is nice. Shame really.

I agree with this, and also the fact that he's managed to deal with his own issues. I mean look at his loyalty mission - it's based on information he's just received. Like a good soldier (which he is - he WAS with the Alliance) would, he manages to compartmentalize his feelings on the matter until he confronts his father, letting his anger simmer. When he does find out what his father's done, it doesn't shake him to his core, because he has the ability to accept that his father is a different man than he is. Basically, Jacob has already dealt with his personal issues, meaning Shepard doesn't have to play therapist with him. Given that all the other characters require it to some extent or another, it makes Jacob seem less dynamic, and, to many, less interesting.

[K_Tabris]

Pfft. Liara and Thane are superior romances to both.

[Cuddlezarro]

while im not a fan of Kaidan I felt like i got to know him as a person

with jacob i felt like i knew zaeed and kasumi more than him

[Ajwol Semreth]

yoshibb wrote...

Ok, first of all, not everyone sacrifices him for Ashley. Kaidan is sacrificed about 70% of the time on Virmire, but that's still a significant chunk of people who have Kaidan for Mass Effect 3.

I'm actually surprised it's as high as that as I've never thought of Ashley as being a character worth saving. She seems to have a pretty solid fanbase though, so maybe I'm just judging her too harshly? I do intend to keep her alive in my current playthrough in preperation for ME3 though, simply because her Marksman bonus power is something that might be useful for my Infiltrator. 

As for the Kaiden and Jacob debate, I think they are both pretty weak LIs but Kaiden is the better of the two. His backstory seems a bit more fleshed out. The way femshep talks to Jacob as well always struck me as a bit off, but then again she comes across as somewhat sexually aggressive in all the ME2 romances anyway.

Modifié par Ajwol Semreth, 19 février 2012 - 08:22 .

[kareatix]

I always had a feeling Kaidan brought more to the story than Jacob (especially info about biotics, BAaT, advice, opinions on missions etc) and he actually had a past that he elaborated on. While I'm ok with Jacob as a squadmate and someone to spill drinks with, I have a feeling I never got to know him and tbh, never really felt like I wanted to. It might have something to do with Jacob's "I'm not big on forcing these talks" response, which just sounded so... strange. Matter of taste, of course.

As far as background story is concerned, Bioware did a better job with Kaidan imo. One of the first human biotics, suffering from crippling effects of the L2 implants and still serving in the Alliance despite the setback; trained at BAaT, killed his instructor which caused a bit of a diplomatic stir back then and made BAaT shut down, making room for more reasonable biotic training programmes like the Ascension Project etc etc etc. It simply feels like Kaidan made an impact, even if unintentionally.
Jacob on the other hand mentions Corsairs and some missions but just leaves me starving for more info, which I never get ingame. While I know his missions were important and definitely prove he's not just your average soldier, I could use some more details to really feel his impact on the story.

And about Hale's voice while talking to Jacob - I don't think the voice acting is the problem. It's more about voice directing. Dunno why but someone must have told her to do that voice and that's how our femsheps suddenly got horny. Not Hale's fault.

[Ryzaki]

Matinek wrote...

Who likes Kaidan? Everybody sacrifised him for Ashley...

Odd that...I quite remember Ashley being left behind when I played.

Hm...

[breyant]

jeweledleah wrote...

it didn't help that Jenifer Hale sounded like she was in heat or something when talking to him.

he suggests, that Shepard spaces Legion, he doesn't like Thane and tells Tali about EDI.

at least above are the most popular reasons given.

there's also just general dislike, which doesn't always have to have reasons.

This is it exactly. I love that you can see Tali's frustration when he says that even though you can't see her face. I also hate the constant "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit" sexy lean that even male Shep does. And I didn't like the annoyed "already?" response when he doesn't want to talk, and then after loyalty, you're suddenly best buds with a bro-handshake and spilling drinks on the citadel.

His whole character just seems forced, even with my Shepard that romanced him. I never felt like I got to know him or even care about him at all.

[CptData]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Matinek wrote...

Who likes Kaidan? Everybody sacrifised him for Ashley

Theres that everybody again. Nice to know that everybody in the entire world sacrifces Kaidan.

Indeed. I know a lot of guys saving & loving Kaidan - without holding any grudges against Ashley or vice versa.

[ShepardsIdol]

Well, i think it stems from the fact that Kaidan was the first. Everyone thought Jacob was an even more generic clone of a typical soldier than Kaidan was...so they hated him. I wasnt a fan of Kaidan but i definitely didnt hate him. Jacob's only problem was that he seemed like he was always seeking Shepards approval for everything, but is that such an unbelievable thing? Shep is a friggin hero so of course your typical alliance soldier is going to idolize you. Jacob is cool, Kaidan feels to touchy feely for my taste, but they both shouldnt be HATED. during my playthroughs theyre both just there. .

[rockstyle6]

How Jack woul say : Jacob dont know who he is .

[mineralica]

Terraforming wrote...

I really think Jacob that is less popular mainly because of how femshep talks to him and the awkwardness of their romance scene.
Hale's voice acting is so jarring that I stay away from him, even though I think the character is nice. Shame really.

I won't blame only Hale - Lazarre-White managed to make "Already? I'm not big on forcing these talks" sound offensively on his own.

[Cuddlezarro]

Ryzaki wrote...

Matinek wrote...

Who likes Kaidan? Everybody sacrifised him for Ashley...

Odd that...I quite remember Ashley being left behind when I played.

Hm...

ditto

[seirhart]

3 of my play thru's I sacrificed Kaidan for Ashley but the other play thru's I sacrificed Ashley for kaidan and despite me liking ashely I like kaidan better than her.

[Kyria Nyriese]

As many have already said, Kaidan - IMO - has a better background/story than Jacob does. The fact that FemShep does this sultry thing everytime I try to talk to Jacob doesn't help, then the way Jacob responds to her sometimes. I just don't care for him at all. Where Kaidan, I absolutely adore. I know there's not a lot of people who like Kaidan either, but that is their choice, I adore Kaidan and Jacob, I just don't care one way or the other about.

[skarbonke]

the only good thing about jacob is his abs