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[Ryzaki]

It's like Lazarus Jacob and Lazarus Miranda switched personalities the second they got on the Normandy. Jacob goes from nice to prickly and Miranda goes from prickly to nice.

[Fidget6]

Ryzaki wrote...

It's like Lazarus Jacob and Lazarus Miranda switched personalities the second they got on the Normandy. Jacob goes from nice to prickly and Miranda goes from prickly to nice.

Jacob's not really prickly unless you pick certain dialogue options. (asking him too many personal questions) I agree about Miranda though, when you first meet her she's a total b*tch, especially when you talk to her on the Cerberus base before getting on the Normandy. Once aboard though, she's actually pretty sweet. The sudden jump in her personality has always bothered me a bit.

[BatmanPWNS]

Cuz back in ME1, Kaidan was the only guy women could f**k. In ME3 women got Thane (with that voice and chest), Garrus (with that popularity!) and Jacob (with that........... nothing much really).

[frylock23]

And as to the mythical "everyone" leaving Kaidan behind, well I'd have saved both he and Ashley and left Liara behind every single time if I could have. I have always despised ME1 Liara.

[Asari_Party]

I doubt Kaiden is much more popular than Jacob. He has just a very vocal fanbase on BSN.

[Verly]

I don't really have a problem with Jacob or his romance, but I truly like Kaidan's better. it builds up longer, and there are some really good lines in there.

I actually role play when I'm playing ME so who died depended on my femshep. I have 5 of them. two of them chose to save Ashley and three chose to save Kaidan. How I personally feel about a character doesn't matter as I am not Shepard.

[ReallyRue]

I don't find either of them especially interesting. Though a point for Kaidan is that he is generally a friendly character, whereas Jacob starts off friendly, and then on the ship, he's very closed off and doesn't want to talk. I don't want him to start crying on Shepard's shoulder or anything, but a little insight into his thoughts might be nice. I hope both of them are more interesting in ME3.

[Peer of the Empire]

Mr Plow wrote...

People are threatened by Jacob's big...

Mine's bigger

[FFWarQueen]

I don't really know anything about Jacob, he never opens up. Kaidan tells you his backstory, you get to know and like/love his character, plus he's the sexy.

I don't hate Jacob I just don't like him either *shrugs*

I tried to like him I really did, but his personality and romance is off putting to me. I don't mind him as a buddy though.

[Spikko]

Jacob is simply less interesting then Kaidan.
That and the fact that he's designed to be the sexualized man for female players.
I think I whould have a lot more respect for the character if he used an armor in battle insetad of the scuba diving suit.
Miranda too suffers a bit from the same problem but her suit is a lot more in character for her than for jacob.

[Mykel54]

speaking strictly as male shepard

I never liked Kaidan (Carth Onasi v2 imho) so i always left him on Virmire.

Jacob started out as a nice guy, but then closed off very quickly. I happen to be a person that appreciate people who are cautious and not too extroverted. I like the fact that Jacob deals with his problems and maintain a cordial, professional relation with male shepard. He is not your best buddy (like ex. garrus may be), but he is a solid man that gets the job done. I think what defines him is: wary of attachment, professionalism and action over words guy.

For me he was a pretty good character, but i also wished that the ME galaxies background had appeared in the game in more detail, perhaps flesh out a bit more some conversations, but overall his character is not a codex entry. I like for a change a character that does not beg for attention of troubles shepard with his inner moral problems.

[Summerwine41]

I don’t have a problem with ether of them, though they are probably two of my least favourite  Mass Effect characters. They are a bit too normal for my liking… maybe a bit to goody two shoes as well. There is nothing about them that hooks me like, say, Wrex or Garrus. I may like Jacob if he had a bit more of a back story, and Kaidan if he was less of a typical solider. 

Modifié par Summerwine41, 20 février 2012 - 12:24 .

[Northern Sun]

I don't particularly like or dislike either character, though I think that I'd choose Jacob if I had to choose between the two. I appreciate a character that my Shepard doesn't need a degree in psychology to get to understand. Not that Kaidan's a emotional train wreck or anything.

It also helps that I play as ManShep, so when I talked to Jacob, Meer's "I'm more interested in talking for a bit." didn't sound like code for "Bend me over the table please."

[GuardianAngel470]

Because Kaiden doesn't have the corniest and most disturbing female romance in the entire series (including Morinth's), one almost all players I've ever seen comment on it entirely avoid by never talking to him.

For Mshep the two characters don't seem all that different. Not that interesting but also not without redeeming qualities. For Femshep the two characters are drastically different.

[Greyfox84]

I think people are neglecting a big part of why Jacob is disliked: he represents the big, immediate change from ME1 to ME2 that many people didn't like right away. You're torn away from your old squad, made to work for Cerberus, and thrust into working alongside this guy. Additionally, most gamers are male, and Jacob is obviously designed to be a good looking, worthy catch for femshep, so many male players will recoil from him right away and keep Maranda.
As has been mentioned, its annoying femshep can't have a post mission chat without flirting outrageously with every line and her body language. This really doesn't help his case.

Playing through ME2 again now, I see there's nothing wrong with him, certainly nothing which would justifies the level of hate he's gotten, but when I first started ME2, wary of all the changes they'd made to from my beloved ME1, rather than getting to carry on the super happy fun times my Shephard and my chosen favourite squad had hit their peak with at the end of ME1, we were stuck with Jacob, and he didn't cut the mustard.

[GuardianAngel470]

Greyfox84 wrote...

I think people are neglecting a big part of why Jacob is disliked: he represents the big, immediate change from ME1 to ME2 that many people didn't like right away. You're torn away from your old squad, made to work for Cerberus, and thrust into working alongside this guy. Additionally, most gamers are male, and Jacob is obviously designed to be a good looking, worthy catch for femshep, so many male players will recoil from him right away and keep Maranda.

I strongly disagree. I like Jacob. I played as Mshep for almost all of my 13+ playthroughs. Jacob's cool, he's like a slightly less awesome version of Garrus. He's got that brothers in arms vibe that I find satisfying.

However, when I played ME1 and 2 recently as a femshep, I tried to talk to Jacob but sweet jesus that was terrible. She came on so strongly that I could not believe my ears.

I think people who haven't had to sit through that, ie those that play Mshep, are the ones most likely to like him. We don't have to wade through some of the worst and most out of character dialog in the game just to be friends with the guy.

[DiosMios]

My reaction to the characters goes as follows:

"Hey Kaidan, can you tell me a bit about yourself?"
"Sure, I'll unravel a personal story that not only provides a better perspective on me, but on Biotics in general."

"Hey Jacob, can you tell me a bit about yourself?"
"I'm not big on forcing these talks, Commander. If you want to know about me, you need to buy the phone game."
"But I'd really rather not buy that--"
"Then too bad."

[Kitaen]

fetissimies wrote...

Eliantariel wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

Why is that?

Because he's black. 

That is obviously no reason because people love Anderson and he is black too.

Anderson acts white, he just happens to be black, much like Colin Powell.
 

Adm Anderson doesn't act 'white', neither does Colin Powell.
For one to even say such a ridiculous thing speaks volumes about ones' lack of intellect. Educated people all sound the same. Uneducated and unrefined people have quite the different tone to their speech, manner, and how they carry themselves.
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[Destroy Raiden_]

Easy fshep wasn't verbally crawling all over Kaiden like she was Jacob that made people avoid and even hate dealing with Jacob. Not to mention at points he seems to just want you gone but I still think thats because of fsheps creep you out factor more then him wanting to be antisocial.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Because Jacob becomes passive-aggressive and stand-offish out of nowhere, and every time I talked to him, I was thinking "Please, Shepard, control your vagina."

Some serious trolling on Hale's/the voice director's part.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 20 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

DiosMios wrote...

My reaction to the characters goes as follows:

"Hey Kaidan, can you tell me a bit about yourself?"
"Sure, I'll unravel a personal story that not only provides a better perspective on me, but on Biotics in general."

"Hey Jacob, can you tell me a bit about yourself?"
"I'm not big on forcing these talks, Commander. If you want to know about me, you need to buy the phone game."
"But I'd really rather not buy that--"
"Then too bad."

Also this.

Addendum: I don't dislike Jacob, but he's the only character I am truly neutral about. He's an all right character once you get past all the cringe.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 20 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[rapscallioness]

I think the main reason is that Jacob will rebuff Shepard anytime he feels like it.

Fans do not like being told off by their NPC's. Example: More than a few ppl are still ticked w/ the VS over Horizon.

Also Kaidan was the "first", as someone said. The romance was more organic. It started right from the beginning w/ Kaidan being the one to flirt w/ Shepard first. Or. let it slip that he's interested in her. (Liara, made the first move as well).

In ME2, Shepard is always the one that has to initiate. If you make it past the sleazy sounding come on line, you get answered w/ a snotty sounding "Already?"

Jacob just pisses ppl off. And then he doesn't make up for it by being kick butt in battle.

So, yeah.

[CptData]

Lets face it: I like both, Kaidan & Jacob. But compared against each other, Kaidan wins. He's a full biotic and knows a lot of stuff. Besides that, that guy is a "living Omnitool" - very useful. The only reason why I pick Ash over him in most playthroughs is the fact she's my primary LI while he's "just" a good friend (RP-wise).
Besides that? Kaidan is darn useful, his past is believeable and he has some baggage without the need of fixing. Some think he's whiny - but just keep in mind: ME depicts female characters as equals to male characters and especially in romance arcs in ME1, female characters take the lead (lets ignore Liara for a second): Ashley takes the lead in case she's romanced - or Shepard takes the lead in case Kaidan is the LI. That also could be a reason why some people think Kaidan is "boring" since he's not the driving force in that romance.


Jacob is ... okay. He's normal, which is no issue to me. But of course, that's the reason why a lot of people call him bland. Without his biotics, he wouldn't be much more than a regular soldier. Even his past feels a bit constructed. For a guy who was constantly revolting against regs & rules, Jacob is too nice and too strict "by the book".
His idea to call Shepard his "PRIIIIIZE" doesn't help either.

Whatever, I like both, but of course, I like Kaidan more. Jacob seems to be the friendly face of Cerberus while Miranda is more the very essence of that organization. She gets better, Jacob stays the same.

[Han Shot First]

mineralica wrote...

Terraforming wrote...

I really think Jacob that is less popular mainly because of how femshep talks to him and the awkwardness of their romance scene.
Hale's voice acting is so jarring that I stay away from him, even though I think the character is nice. Shame really.

I won't blame only Hale - Lazarre-White managed to make "Already? I'm not big on forcing these talks" sound offensively on his own.

I wouldn't blame the actor. He has to deliverythe lines he is given. The blame lies with Jacob's writing. Of course with every character there is going to be a limit to their dialogue, and they all need a line that covers when they are out of conversation topics for that point in the game. But did Jacob really need one that sounded hostile? It would be appropriate if Jacob was supposed to have an uncomfortable relationship with Shepard at the start, but I don't think that was the case. I think the standoffish vibe from him was an unintended consequence of shoddy writing.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 février 2012 - 07:36 .