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[rapscallioness]

mineralica wrote...

mrsph wrote...
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*His loyalty mission is pretty weak. At least for me, outside of the final scene there really isn't anything that memorable about it.

Strange. I actually liked his LM - more original than many others (c'mon, Garrus, revenge mission again?) in sense of that brainwashed by his own father crew.

oh, jacob's LM was great. One of the weirder, more involved stories. Imo it's actually one of the best, if not the best LM story in ME2.

[Porenferser]

Yeah, Jacobs Mission was undoubtedly the best LM for me.
Especially compared to crap like Grunt's mission.

[Asenza]

rapscallioness wrote...

mineralica wrote...

mrsph wrote...
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*His loyalty mission is pretty weak. At least for me, outside of the final scene there really isn't anything that memorable about it.

Strange. I actually liked his LM - more original than many others (c'mon, Garrus, revenge mission again?) in sense of that brainwashed by his own father crew.

oh, jacob's LM was great. One of the weirder, more involved stories. Imo it's actually one of the best, if not the best LM story in ME2.

I also felt that in Jacob's father, there was a parallel with Shepard: being in charge of a squad, having to make tough decisions, the rigors of leadership... sleeping with crew.

[Raizo]

rapscallioness wrote...

mineralica wrote...

mrsph wrote...
<...>
*His loyalty mission is pretty weak. At least for me, outside of the final scene there really isn't anything that memorable about it.

Strange. I actually liked his LM - more original than many others (c'mon, Garrus, revenge mission again?) in sense of that brainwashed by his own father crew.

oh, jacob's LM was great. One of the weirder, more involved stories. Imo it's actually one of the best, if not the best LM story in ME2.

I would not call it the best ( that probably goes to Tali, Mordin, Kasumi or Samara ) but I do like it, it is one of the more memorable ones and it does not deserve the hate it gets. I like that it takes place outdoors since in ME2 most of the levels are random wharehouses or corridors, the change of sceneary was very nice. I like the colour palette and the visual image of the wresck of the Hugo Gernsback in the water. I think the theme of what happened on Aeia to be facinating ( and disturbing ) although it could have been executed better, I did not care for jacob's coments during the mission ( they felt forced ) or any of the dialogue from any of the survivors in the womens camp.

[MadCat221]

Raizo wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

mineralica wrote...

mrsph wrote...
<...>
*His loyalty mission is pretty weak. At least for me, outside of the final scene there really isn't anything that memorable about it.

Strange. I actually liked his LM - more original than many others (c'mon, Garrus, revenge mission again?) in sense of that brainwashed by his own father crew.

oh, jacob's LM was great. One of the weirder, more involved stories. Imo it's actually one of the best, if not the best LM story in ME2.

I would not call it the best ( that probably goes to Tali, Mordin, Kasumi or Samara ) but I do like it, it is one of the more memorable ones and it does not deserve the hate it gets. I like that it takes place outdoors since in ME2 most of the levels are random wharehouses or corridors, the change of sceneary was very nice. I like the colour palette and the visual image of the wresck of the Hugo Gernsback in the water. I think the theme of what happened on Aeia to be facinating ( and disturbing ) although it could have been executed better, I did not care for jacob's coments during the mission ( they felt forced ) or any of the dialogue from any of the survivors in the womens camp.

How about <2 year old tech (thermal clips) being present in a place that was isolated from galactic society for ten years?

Modifié par MadCat221, 20 février 2012 - 07:52 .

[OhKeelah1]

GodWood wrote...

People don't hate Jacob. They're indifferent to him.

This.

[Raizo]

MadCat221 wrote...

Raizo wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

mineralica wrote...

mrsph wrote...
<...>
*His loyalty mission is pretty weak. At least for me, outside of the final scene there really isn't anything that memorable about it.

Strange. I actually liked his LM - more original than many others (c'mon, Garrus, revenge mission again?) in sense of that brainwashed by his own father crew.

oh, jacob's LM was great. One of the weirder, more involved stories. Imo it's actually one of the best, if not the best LM story in ME2.

I would not call it the best ( that probably goes to Tali, Mordin, Kasumi or Samara ) but I do like it, it is one of the more memorable ones and it does not deserve the hate it gets. I like that it takes place outdoors since in ME2 most of the levels are random wharehouses or corridors, the change of sceneary was very nice. I like the colour palette and the visual image of the wresck of the Hugo Gernsback in the water. I think the theme of what happened on Aeia to be facinating ( and disturbing ) although it could have been executed better, I did not care for jacob's coments during the mission ( they felt forced ) or any of the dialogue from any of the survivors in the womens camp.

How about <2 year old tech (thermal clips) being present in a place that was isolated from galactic society for ten years?

I never said that Bioware did not screw their in game lore, I just said that I liked the LM.

[Eternal Dust]

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

[Kyria Nyriese]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

/shudder

[carine]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

Oh my god. Those are hilarious. 

I've romanced both characters, but I have to say I like Kaidan's a lot more. I'll agree with what was said before -- it's more organic, he opens up about his past way more than Jacob does, and his dialogue during missions and after are great. He's well written, and being a Kaidan fan I'm of course going to say that I've never found him boring or whiney.

I do like Jacob, though. He's a normal guy who is involved with the wrong organization, but I've never played Mass Effect Galaxies and I know little about his past. I liked his LM a lot though. But with some of the dialogue and the voice acting, ehhh.

They're pretty different characters though (from a FemShep viewpoint, anyway). I just like Kaidan's romance and who he is more than Jacob.

[Kia Purity]

Because The Priiiize intimidates me. I was playing ME1 (for the first time) when a friend showed me that clip and I just went "Oh my god the pain"

Honestly, Jacob is alright, but it feels like he's such a closed off character that I'm not sure how to talk to him without triggering his romance.

Modifié par Kia Purity, 20 février 2012 - 09:34 .

[Mallorn]

I liked Jacob, I really did - on Lazarus Station. He was nice, honest and concerned about Shepard well-being. Then we got on Normandy and, suddenly, he's colder and more official than Miranda. It's hard to like someone like that.

[yoshibb]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

Why does she keep calling him Mr. Taylor, too? It sounds like she's trying to date a guy older or a teacher or something. It sounds weird. 

[Ash J. Williams]

Can't answer the thread's question but I was really surprised at how much I liked Jacob about half way into ME2, he was my bro, we'd fist bump. he had some interesting stories to tell, he was genuinely a likable person, was cool as hell, always had my back, and he's banged Miranda, so we have a lot in common Kaiden is alright, he just doesn't really become very interesting and felt like Bioware didn't spend some quality time sitting down to write & develop his character.

Modifié par Ash J. Williams, 20 février 2012 - 11:56 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Seboist wrote...

Because Kaidan isn't a brooding dullard that says nothing of interest.

Right. He's just a normal guy who says nothing of interest. So much better.

[Golden Owl]

Kaidan: Nice guy, sweet, friendly and deals with his own issues.....I always save Kaidan.

Jacob: Not the nice guy people seem to think he is, he's quite snarky and cold.

Can't speak for the romances....always play manShep.

[seventy6pro]

I sacrificed Ash all but one time - her xenophobia bugged me pretty badly. Actually, the only reason I let her live once was because I felt bad about killing her all the time.

Jacob's put-off lines bugged me when I tried to talk to him, but the one that really got me was the one where he says that Miranda deserves a better guy than him... and then hits on you instead. Dude, if you're not good enough for Miranda, you're not good enough for me. Never played his romance - I didn't mind the loyalty mission, but I had absolutely no desire to get to know the guy better. His notes on the Shadow Broker's dossier confirmed (for me, at least), that I totally made the right choice.

As to the racist charge... are you seriously using the racist card in a game where tons of people romance different species? Give me a break, that just doesn't hold water. Thane, Garrus, Tali... they're all more interesting than Jacob.

[Iconic_N7]

Jacob was a pretty good ME character to me. He just didnt feel the need to tell all of his business to a guy or woman he barely met like they've known each other for years. Which was far more realistic than other characters that Shep just met telling him or her they're deepest darkest secrets. He was shepards's soldier and felt that that was enough. They didnt have to be friends. Eventually however, if ya give the guy a chance he'll open up and tell you somethings about himself that hardly anyone else knows besides one other crew member. Most people dont even make it that far which sucks because he had a really good loyalty mission in my opinion. Only thing that I disliked was how in ME galaxies he could fire a assult rifle and in ME2 he forgot how to or something. My shep and Jacob are buds by the end of ME2. just saying...

[Twilight_Princess]

seventy6pro wrote...

Jacob's put-off lines bugged me when I tried to talk to him, but the one that really got me was the one where he says that Miranda deserves a better guy than him... and then hits on you instead. Dude, if you're not good enough for Miranda, you're not good enough for me. 

Bioware wrote that line from the perspective of manshep to make it  sound like you were "the better man" for miranda.But they must have forgot how the line would sound to a femshep pursuing Jacob though. If you're a bloke the line makes you feel awesome if your a girl it makes you feel like the runner up priiiize.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 21 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

Oh god, why.

The worst offender is probably the "no Mrs Taylor" line. IIRC, I got it when I asked (what I thought was going to be) a harmless question about whether or not he had family.

Jesus.

[Andromedaae]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

hahahahahaha! Oh my god. That had me laughing for five minutes. Hilarious. 

But I agree. The main reason he's so unpopular among femshep players is down to the awful romance. Or more accurately how difficult it is to *avoid* that romance. I still talk to Jacob in all of my playthroughs but the way Shepard acts is cringeworthy. agh. I hate it.

I love Kaidan because to me he's an interesting normal guy. And the way he stumbles over his words in front of fem!shep is adorable. Kaidan and Jacob often get lumped together as boring and uninteresting as they are both human male LI's, but I see them as very different people.

Jacob is headstrong and forceful which can often come across as brash, arrogant and rude. He's very closed off and even in the romance never seems to open up to Shepard. Basically you never get to connect with him.
Kaidan however is far gentler and soft-spoken. He respects the branch of authority but never shuts you out and that's what I like about him. He's a character that will support and follow you but not blindly like the majority of Sheps team. He feels like an equal. Jacob acts like an equal without having really *earned* it.

I think another large factor is attributed to the different styles of romance in ME1/2. In the first game Kaidan/Ash/Liara already have feelings for Shepard but it's up to the player whether to encourage and reciprocate them. The romance is much sweeter. In ME2 Shepard comes off as very sexually aggressive in most of the romances, very forceful. Jacobs romance ends up feeling like a hook-up rather than a relationship IMO.

This turned out wayyy longer than I meant it.
But Kaidan IMHO is far better developed. It's like they used Jacobs outer hostility as an excuse not to flesh him out. Just to be clear, I do like Jacob and I always end ME2 as his friend but the amount of cringeworthy fem!shep chat I have to get through is aggravating.

Modifié par Andromedaae, 21 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[Homebound]

look at this...Comparing Kaidan and Jacob....Heavy Risk....But the siiiize--I mean, wuut?

[TheBlackBaron]

Literally, it's the optional romance subplot.

Frankly, I think it's a bit messed up that this the reason Kaidan is popular and Jacob is not, but what can you do?