167 réponses à ce sujet

[ObserverStatus]

Because they're all Cerberophobes.

[What a Succulent Ass]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Literally, it's the optional romance subplot.

Not really. I prefer Kaidan over Jacob, and I've never done a romance. Even ignoring Shepard's sexual aggression, Jacob doesn't add much in the way of lore (unlike Kaidan's incessant rambling insights on biotics), and doesn't particularly make up for it in personality (he has little backstory, seeing as how he shuts the PC out) or combat, where he is completely outclassed by every other character.

Combine that with his sudden PA once you hit the Normandy and the severely emotionally traumatic event that is conversing with him...well that's just a perfect storm.

[Aggie Punbot]

In my opinion, Kaidan is more about love and Jacob is more about screwing. In addition, Kaidan will (in a manner of speaking) approach you and talk to you about things he wants to discuss whereas with Jacob you really have to pry to get him to talk about...well, anything at all.

I won't go into details but there are lines from Jacob in the leaked ME3 files that indicate to me that Jacob simply didn't/doesn't love Shepard as deeply as Kaidan did/does.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 21 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[Volc19]

Not sure about everyone else's personal reasons, but I hate Jacob because of the fact that he always gives the worst advice in any situation. "I don't trust Thane." "Make sure to introduce yourself to the ship's AI, Tali, it's not like you would have any reason to mistrust an AI or anything. "Throw the Geth out of the airlock." "Lets go through the Omega 4 Relay now, who needs to build up the team anyway?" "Send me through the ducts, I can hack." He may be as bland as Kaidan, but at least Kaidan wasn't the worst advice-giver in gaming history barring Atlas in Bioshock.

[frylock23]

From my perspective, there were indications to me that none of the femShep ME2 romances were intended to be very deep or permanent for various reasons. The clues were there.

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Kaidan and Jacob might be the same to a Manshep player, but to a female they're completely different. Femshep and Kaidan had chemistry, Kaidan liked her and wanted her to get to know him from the start, so it was a natural progression from friends to lovers. Jacob was standoffish and acted totally uninterested in being friends with Femshep until after you do his loyalty mission. That, combined with "The priiiiize" and it was just awkward and uncomfortable for everyone involved.

Modifié par LaurenShepard-N7, 21 février 2012 - 08:03 .

[Hadeedak]

Volc19 wrote...

Not sure about everyone else's personal reasons, but I hate Jacob because of the fact that he always gives the worst advice in any situation. "I don't trust Thane." "Make sure to introduce yourself to the ship's AI, Tali, it's not like you would have any reason to mistrust an AI or anything. "Throw the Geth out of the airlock." "Lets go through the Omega 4 Relay now, who needs to build up the team anyway?" "Send me through the ducts, I can hack." He may be as bland as Kaidan, but at least Kaidan wasn't the worst advice-giver in gaming history barring Atlas in Bioshock.

Jacob and Miranda racked up a really high body count my first playthrough of Mass Effect 2 because I listened to their advice. I've never quite forgiven them. It didn't help that Miranda wasn't loyal thanks to Jack. In retrospect, it was hilarious. At the time, it annoyed me. "Sure. Fine. Let's go... OH GOD." Barely anyone made it out, and they whacked all my favorites (Samara, Thane, Mordin, Tali, but not Legion cause I listened to Jacob) except Garrus.

And then at the end, in my nearly empty ship, Miranda still wouldn't talk to me.

[Han Shot First]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Because of THIS.

And THIS.

Hilarious!

[What a Succulent Ass]

Hadeedak wrote...

And then at the end, in my nearly empty ship, Miranda still wouldn't talk to me.

Oh god, lmao.

I pretty much dismissed Miranda as not knowing what she was on about from early in the game. One of the first things she does is claim she is usually right, and a great judge of character. She then proceeds to skip through a good portion of the game being merrily wrong about nearly everyone and everything under the sun (Jacob picks up the slack on bits she misses). And as for Taylor, I didn't even bother with him on my first run. His vague hostility towards conversation put me off immediately as did his cougar activation field, so with his redundant skill set, he was basically just some furniture I passed on the way to the comm room or to talk to someone more interesting Mordin. The only time I saw him was when he apparated into cutscenes. Didn't even once consider listening to his advice.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 21 février 2012 - 10:41 .

[Randy1012]

I like both Kaidan and Jacob. I regret having to leave Kaidan behind on Virmire in most of my playthroughs (I would have preferred to keep both Kaidan and Ashley, and sacrifice Liara instead). I think Jacob gets a raw deal mostly because of some poor writing, Hale's infamous "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit," and an underwhelming weapon/power loadout.

If it were up to me, I would have done Jacob differently. I would have made his father a war hero, a veteran of the First Contact War, and Jacob always pushed himself hard because he felt he had to live up to his father's image. Then Ronald Taylor disappears with the Hugo Gernsback in 2175, providing the impetus for Jacob to enlist in the military on his 18th birthday (he was born in 2157). Jacob remains as driven as ever, determined to carry on his father's legacy. He fights the geth on Eden Prime in 2183, but he blames himself when most of his unit is killed, and resigns his commission. The events of Galaxy then happen and Jacob joins Cerberus, not because they "know how to get things done," but because he's looking for some kind of purpose. He eventually comes to realize Cerberus isn't exactly what he hoped it would be, but he sticks around because he cares for Miranda.

Fast forward to ME2. The chip on Jacob's shoulder is now because he feels like he let his father down, and also because he still feels guilty about what happened on Eden Prime. He still has feelings for Miranda, and if Shepard doesn't pursue a romance with either of them, he'll eventually try to work things out with her. His loyalty mission proceeds in pretty much the same manner, but now Jacob is devastated by his father's actions and feels like he's wasted his life trying to live up to a man who wasn't what Jacob thought he was.

That's just my opinion, anyway. I think that storyline would have been more interesting than the one Jacob actually got. YMMV.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Primarily because Kaiden had a head start.

[Demonique]

Asperius wrote...

Funny thing:
Joker says Jacob too cool for the number of ways he knows how to kill a person. I play on casual difficulty and that tool keep dying on nearly every encounter. Probably he is too cool for number of ways he knows how to die...

No he doesn't. It's "Jacob's way too NICE of a guy for the number of ways he knows how to kill a person"

[Volc19]

Hadeedak wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

Not sure about everyone else's personal reasons, but I hate Jacob because of the fact that he always gives the worst advice in any situation. "I don't trust Thane." "Make sure to introduce yourself to the ship's AI, Tali, it's not like you would have any reason to mistrust an AI or anything. "Throw the Geth out of the airlock." "Lets go through the Omega 4 Relay now, who needs to build up the team anyway?" "Send me through the ducts, I can hack." He may be as bland as Kaidan, but at least Kaidan wasn't the worst advice-giver in gaming history barring Atlas in Bioshock.

Jacob and Miranda racked up a really high body count my first playthrough of Mass Effect 2 because I listened to their advice. I've never quite forgiven them. It didn't help that Miranda wasn't loyal thanks to Jack. In retrospect, it was hilarious. At the time, it annoyed me. "Sure. Fine. Let's go... OH GOD." Barely anyone made it out, and they whacked all my favorites (Samara, Thane, Mordin, Tali, but not Legion cause I listened to Jacob) except Garrus.

And then at the end, in my nearly empty ship, Miranda still wouldn't talk to me.

Can we simply put the final nail in Cerberus' coffin at this point? TIM may be a clever individual, but his operatives don't know how to work on a mission or give advice, and more than half of all of their projects fall flat on their faces, and Shepard needs to pick up the pieces. Overlord was overrun by Geth and almost created an AI that could take over the galaxy, Lazarus was doing fine until the mechs went crazy and killed all but three people that were on the station, the Collector Base goes under for Cerberus is Shep is paragon and blows the base to hell, even the ME1 subplot involving a supersoldier project, the Rachni, and the Thorian fall apart due to previous conditions, or Shepard foiling the plans.

Modifié par Volc19, 21 février 2012 - 05:28 .

[Nynaeve]

I love Kaiden (evidently not enough as I always save Ash) but to me Jacob was always really....meh. An empty character that my shep really couldn't give two hoots about

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

Just felt like giving my two cents.

I'm a MaleShep player, and through most of my playthroughs, I saved Kaidan. In my opinion, their conversations really showed evidence of a close brotherhood (if you chose the right dialogue). Shep and Kaidan really seemed like brothers in arms, and good friends. I got to know Kaidan and even joke around with him about my Shep's interest in Liara. It felt engaging.

Like it has been said before, I don't hate Jacob, I'm just indifferent about him. I just don't feel any emotional drive to speak to him or do his loyalty quest. He has always survived though. But if he were to die in ME3, I wouldn't shed any tears.

Zaeed's story about Jesse got me more emotionally involved than anything Jacob did or said.

[CrazyCatDude]

*Shrug* I dislike Kaidan intensely. It took a few play throughs, but I eventually warmed up to Jacob, once I figured out how to avoid any Ninjamancing. He's kind of Garrus light though, so he's pretty far down on my list of favorite characters. Heck, he's below Zaeed, and I started out HATING Zaeed.

[BatmanPWNS]

Jacob can sing. Everyone is jelly of his singing skills.

[TobyHasEyes]

 I blame the dialogue that plays when you try to have a conversation with Jacob and he has nothing new to say

 "Already? I don't like to rush these things Commander"

 It is a super standoffish line, and it makes it sound as though you were trying it on or something

[What a Succulent Ass]

TS2Aggie wrote...

I won't go into details but there are lines from Jacob in the leaked ME3 files

Lol is all I'm saying.

But to be fair, there's plenty of derp to go around for all the characters.

[VeoLu]

I don't like either character personally, but Kaidan does have a bit more going for him in the way of being the only male to romance in the first game, and being a more open character in general. Jacob switches instantly from helping you out and being a good guy to being, "Earn me but gain nothing" if that makes sense. I also don't like that the romance made Femshep out to jump down his pants and he had to hold her back. It lacked any depth.

While I do agree that he has a great loyalty mission, I think it was wasted on him. His skill as a companion is pretty subpar compared to Kaidan, even though their skills are kind of similar. Kaidan just seemed like a much more effective biotic.

[Inquisitor Recon]

bobobo878 wrote...
Because you humans are all racist Cerberophobes.

Fixed it.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 22 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[Meesherbeans]

jeweledleah wrote...

Kaidan was in ME1 and he was the only male LI available (as such his romance was slightly more organic in its writing, more involved and had interesting developments like renegading/paragading). Jacob had to compete against Thane AND Garrus. and it didn't help that Jenifer Hale sounded like she was in heat or something when talking to him.

Pretty much this. Jacob didn't have enough character development, especially compared to Kaidan. He seemed like a prety blatant "replacement" for him, too. I mean, c'mon: doesn't trust Cerberus, military-minded (saluting), a biotic, muscular, and actually asks Shepard how she is doing with the whole dead thing (if you romance him).

They're very similar, but it feels like he was forced on you as a replacement, minus the development.

That said, he and I are going spill so many drinks on the Citadel. You're my bro, Jacob!

[Annie_Dear]

[Clara Shepard]

Because Kaidan is down to Earth, he's real. He's the next door neighbor you could trust with your life. He doesn't force his problems onto Shepard(name one other besides Ashley that doesn't ask for something from Shepard) He's just awesome. And he's sexy ;D

Jacob is a great soldier, he's tough, he's loyal, he's not insane like the rest of your crew. He's just your average joe (except for the prriiiiize thing) He's awesome too, though many cannot see it. PERSONALLY, I love all of my squads except Liara and Miranda. But it's like they're always trying to hump you or something so I fricken hated them. Each has their ups and down. Like in real life, so just role with it.